XRF Wiki
Welcome to the XRF Wiki. This Wiki is a repository of information contributed by members of [email protected]. Members can view and edit the pages. The pages are currently not viewable by the public. The pages below represent a rough overview of the technology and techniques associated with X-Ray Florescence Spectroscopy as well as serving as a place for members to organize the spectra that they have contributed to the forum.?
As a starting point, the pages will be populated by information taken from member posts from the past few years - with references/attribution. Perhaps in time, these pages can be edited by members to make them more complete and less choppy. Members can also edit this page, making the structure of the content more organized.?
Pages can contain information about a particular topic, links to relevant resources (such as manuals, research papers, etc.), links to relevant forum discussions on the topic, book titles, or anything that might be useful.
What follows is very much a work in progress.
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Adding to the Wiki
For those unfamiliar with the Wiki phenomenon, it is basically a user editable encyclopedia. The idea is that there are pages with different articles, which the user can read and also choose to edit if desired. If a piece of information is incorrect, a link outdated, or the presentation choppy or unclear, the user can just click "Edit Page" at the bottom and then fix the mistake. There is also a "Page History," so if you a user were to make a mistake or maliciously destroy a page (which wouldn't happen here) an editor can come along and restore the page to a previous version.?
If you have used MediaWiki (the engine that runs behind the scene of Wikipedia.org) you will be familiar with a certain style of creating an article. There are tags that one uses to change the formatting of the parts of the article. The Wiki on Groups.io uses a different background engine and so the standard MediaWiki syntax does not apply here. Rather, the page is edited using the same tools as one would use to compose a message on the forums. If you are a programmer or someone who likes using the tagged syntax directly, you can access the underlying page source code, be activating the advanced editing toolbar (the icon with three lines on the far right of the basic toolbar) and then clicking on the source code icon <> on the far right of the Advance Editing Toolbar. You will immediately notice that the underlying source code is HTML. Most things can be done just by using the various icons, but advanced features like table can only be implemented by manually writing the source code. (Although there are website available that will generate the source code for you through a graphical interface.)
Here are some useful resources from Groups.io:?
Wiki Guide for Users and Editors
Message Composition Tips and Tricks
Overview of XRF
X-Ray Florescence vs. X-Ray Diffraction
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Hardware
This section describes the hardware used for XRF. We will describe the basic theory of operation of each stage in the processing tool chain and then present different commercial systems that are available as these systems are often integrated together.
[Editor note: General theory needs to be in an independent page separate from specific manufacturer information.
[Editor note - question: Should this be arranged by category, e.g detectors, preamps, etc or by manufacturer with the manufacturers product line on one page. Perhaps it's best to put a list of products with theory but the details of the products on a manufacture page...]
Detectors?- what's available, theory of operation, tradeoffs
Detector Cooling?- keeping detectors cool to avoid thermal noise and keeping the TEC from overheating
Preamps?- theory of operation, brief summary of what out there (and what not to do - such as trying to use a PMT preamp for a SiPIN diode...)
Pulse Processing Theory - high level overview of the stages of going from detector pulse to channel peaks on the computer
Commercial Systems - many commercial systems are integrated so it seems to make sense to present, for example all Amptek products together. [question: are their other affordable integrated systems besides Amptek?]
Amptek XRF System
Activation Sources - what do you use to make the sample fluoresce (that's within the amateur budget and doesn't require special licensing)
Software
- Device Control Software - what do you use to collect the data from the detector system
- XRF Analysis Software - what do you use to analyze the data, especially for quantitative measurements (composition percentages, thin film measurement)
- Free Software Tools
Note: there may be software packages that possess some or all of these characteristics.
Materials Spectra
Metals Spectra
Historic/Archeological Spectra
Reference Materials Spectra
Household Objects Spectra
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Resources
Videos
Articles
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Non-XRF Techniques
Gamma Spectroscopy
Raman Spectroscopy
FTIR - Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy
Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Inductively Coupled Atomic Emission Spectroscopy
Spark Emission Spectroscopy
Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy
LIBS - Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy
Photoacoustic Spectroscopy
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Pure metals for calibrations and experiments
I was looking at buying some silver yesterday from JM Bullion and noticed
they have 1oz bars of other metals. I ordered ytterbium, yellow niobium,
iron, and molybdenum and a 1-lb copper bar, along
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Nick Andrews
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FYI An XR generator, new, 20-75kV $500...Something I don;t know anything about.
FYI, no connection to seller, "no shipping", so not practical but this is something new to me and would have some possible use if we knew more:
254370244711
Geo
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Re: European powders, colors
Cool! Beon the watchout for Strontium e3lement in them, just in case.Geo
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Re: European powders, colors
Let us know what you find
dud
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [XRF] European powders, colors
I bought this just for fun. I wonder if a scan of the powders
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Dude
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European powders, colors
I bought this just for fun. I wonder if a scan of the powders will reveal
what else is in the compounds for different
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Nick Andrews
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Re: Xrf meteorite
Taray,
I will reply on the Page 2 site, reference Geo's message of Feb12.? I could not post with attachments here.
Mike L.
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Mike L.
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Re: Xrf meteorite
Mike
I think cobalt is within reach too
It accounts for about 0.5 percent??of iron meteorites.
But tends to be intertwined between iron and nickel peaks to make things worse.
Higher gain
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Xrf meteorite
Taray,
Yesterday I received a 11g, Canyon Diablo (Barringer Crater) iron meteorite.? I have been looking at it with a new Am241 exciter that Charles Young and I have developed.
I am not ready to
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Mike L.
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Re: Amalgam
OK. Thanks.
Geo
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:07:33 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Amalgam
Geo
No percentages
Only per 100g
Calcium 150 mg
Iron 2.2 mg
Sodium 410mg
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Amalgam
Geo
No percentages
Only per 100g
Calcium 150 mg
Iron 2.2 mg
Sodium 410mg
Taray
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Amalgam
what is the ~ %?
I can look tomorrow....
Geo
: "taray singh via groups.io" <sukhjez@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:13:27 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF]
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Re: Amalgam
My objective of this bread scan was to look for potassium bromate .
My home setup is not ideal for low ppm substances due to noise,scatter from residual characteristic peaks and
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Amalgam
Put some peanut sauce on it- YUM.
Geo
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [XRF] Amalgam
Hi guys
Here is sample of white bread
This flour is
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Amalgam
Hi guys
Here is sample of white bread
This flour is usually imported from wheat producing countries like USA,China,India or Australia?.
The elemental composition depends on the cultivar,soil
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Re: Amalgam
Nice scan thanks for sharing Taray.
Mercury is added in last seconds to activate the amalgam, working time is very short.
Geo
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 8:27:10 AM
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GEOelectronics@...
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Re: Amalgam
Here is the amalgam mca
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Amalgam
Hi guys
In dentistry traditionally a metal alloy mixture is mixed with liquid mercury in a amalgam making machine .
Looks like a small coffee machine.
This method is still used today
Newer methods
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taray singh <sukhjez@...>
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Links to handy XRF Spectrum lookup tables.
XRF Spectra (xrfresearch.com) ( http://www.xrfresearch.com/xrf-spectra/ )
Geo
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LN2 run
Geo,
Here¡¯s a shot after struggling with trying to get the detector loaded with LN2. The dewar dip stick had a problem and low pressure so it took quite a while to fill 5L and the I checked the LN2
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Dude
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Re: When this group is out of memory, move to XRF-Page-2
OK Taray, the first post on XRF-Page-2 is up:
/g/XRF-Page-2/topic/care_and_feeding_of_packaged/80602574?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,80602574
Geo
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