Re: Brannerite! (or is it?)
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Charles,
I can¡¯t tell if there is any Th there from the XRF. Run a gamma
spec and see.? It¡¯s interesting that there is some Ba there which interferes
with the Ti ?
Where is he located I¡¯d like to pick up a piece and run it
dud
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles David Young
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 7:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Brannerite! (or is it?)
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Sorry that I forgot to attach the .mca file.? Here it
is.
So I went back to the dealer today.? Gunnar Faerber is
a highly experienced collector and has his own analysis equipment.?
Unfortunately, between his heavy German accent and his very technical
explanations I was somewhat lost as he was assuring me that this was definitely
brannerite based on the latest definitions.? Also, mindat has the
following for brannerite:
UTi2O6
Often contains impurities; an older formula is (U4+,REE,Th,Ca)(Ti,Fe3+,Nb)2(O,OH)6.
So Gunnar was not at all surprised to see the large amount
of Nb.? He promised to send me his analysis so perhaps that will further
enlighten.? In the meanwhile, I am going to assume that this is indeed
brannerite.? BTW he said that betafite is an old discredited term and
should not be used.
?
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:48 PM WILLIAM S Dubyk <sdubyk@...> wrote:
If
you need a chunk or monazite, let me know, I've got plenty of it.
Cool Steve. I don't follow the fine details but get the
idea.
We appreciate your input.
----- Original Message -----
From: WILLIAM S Dubyk <sdubyk@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:58:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [XRF] Brannerite! (or is it?)
You are correct Geo, those are not very accurate. Charles ran a specimen of
xenotime from Madagascar that I had in my collection for years, a rather
expensive one. It may have been from Madagascar so that part may be correct,
but the x-ray indicated it
was likely monazite. Not happy about that but oh well. Yes, lots of thorium in
the US, probably mostly as monazite, the Ce-Th phosphate. Thorium is almost
always in the +4 state, whereas U is commonly in the +4 and +6 state. That
indicates that U can also
form oxidized minerals, but Th does not. So Th minerals commonly contain U, and
unoxidized primary U minerals also contain Th. When you get to the oxidized +6
U minerals however, they are very pure U with virtually no Th. So if you want a
good pure U standard,
get an oxidized U mineral like meta autunite or something.?
haha. I've heard stories about the voracity of those
rock-shop labels.?
Hey mineral guys, a question. How common is thorium in USA?
Does it always come with U or is it also alone? Thanks
I picked this up yesterday.? It was interesting because
Brannerite UTi2O6
is supposed to be high in Ti and less so in Ta and Nb like betafites
(Ca,Na,U)2(Ti, Nb,Ta)2O6Z(OH).? However, this specimen has much more Nb
than anything else.? It is going back to the dealer today with this scan
so he can label it correctly.
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