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Geo,

The gun is set up w 3 beams 50, 40 , and 15 kV and depending on the mode it can use 5 filters. Filters are in on the 40 and 15 kV shots. ?Everything can be changed but The ?current is usually 11 uA.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 8:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] XRF hardware

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Do the guns have adjustable V and current or are they one speed?

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Geo

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Sent: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:03:21 -0500 (EST)
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Geo,

For a full power 50 kV beam shot don¡¯t use a filter. A filter is
used to reduce the Brem above an elements absorption edge in order to get a better
peak to background signal increasing the limit of detection in this narrow
range. The filter material is tailored to that edge and the beam voltage. Don¡¯t
use a filter for a general assay you¡®re just reducing the xray flux where you
want it the most.

Dud

From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 3:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] XRF hardware

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"Why are
you running external filters?

Dud"

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It's all about the
Bremsstrahlung continuum.

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In the X-Ray tube electrons
are accelerated by a HV field, then are slowed down by a target. Notice I
didn't mention the filament. Some designs don't use a filament, they are called
Field Emission Tubes and are cold-cathode. Those aren't continuous output tho
and not used for XRF. Rather they build up a charge, 150 kV or more and
"fire" a pulse at the tube, similar to a photo flash. It's all over
in a few nanoseconds, but for X-Ray film it's OK, they just fire a dozen or
hundred pulses, really quickly.

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For XRF we need a much
weaker ray, but it needs to be left on from minutes to hours- those tubes
require hot cathodes= filament to boil off some electrons free of the cathode
(the filament usually is also the cathode), a steady HV DC accelerates them,
they are focused into a beam by deflection plates, irises and magnetic focus
coils in a microfocus tube to get a small spot-.

Broad band Bremsstrahlung
radiation is created,?and if the peak HV is sufficiently above the Ka
binding energy of the target material, a huge peak at the targets
characteristic X-Ray energy(s) superimposes over the top of the broad Brems
continuum.

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So? X-Ray tubes are
not by their very nature monochromatic.?

isotopes on the other hand
are monochromatic, but of many discreet energies.

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It would be nice to have a
knob that said 0-50 kVp and mean it. Set it for 35 and you've actually set it
to "not over 35kVp", below it is a huge spray of energies up to the
PEAK HV available. kVp= kiloVolt Peak. Nor is most of the wattage in the peak
value, it is considerably below that, like 1/3 of the peak is the bulk of it.

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My filters are just
absorbers that remove the lower energies, the one that happen to be exactly on
the energy peak you are trying to measure. Next the aluminum collimator absorbs
much the off-axis rays which do nothing but try to create interference from
your shielding.

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Fortunately only a tiny
amount of power is needed to do XRF. By the way, Amptek specifically states
their warranty does not cover radiation damage to sensors, not to mention the
thin beryllium window is as fragile as a pancake probe.

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Geo>K0FF

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From: Dude <dfemer@...>

To: [email protected]

Sent: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 16:20:35 -0500 (EST)


What
tube and power supply are you running?

Mine is
a W side exit window

Why are
you running external filters?

Dud

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 12:47 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Li battery shiny vs dull

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Cool,

that's a beast compared to mine. Max is 0.1 mA (100 microamp) here.

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It

does have its own shielded housing, and I suspect the narrow measured beam cone

angle is controlled by an mechanical iris inside the sealed tube. I'm assuming

yours is also a side exit not and end-fire, those use transmission targets, the

kind I use have "reflection" tungsten targets.? The excitation

HV is less than the W Ka, so all I work with are Bremsstrahlung X-Rays, thus

the external filtering etc.

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Geo

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Geo,

My

Kevex¡¯s are PXS4-613W and ?run with a CU015 60 kV power supply.

Target

Voltage:? 5.0 to 60.0 kV

Current:?

0.01 to 1.00 mA

X-ray

source spot size: 0.01¡± x 0.020¡± (0.25mm x 0.45 mm)


Approximately

X-ray

Output: 101R/min at 60 watts

X-ray

Window: 0.005¡± (0.13mm) Be

Angle

of illumination: 35 degrees inclusive (Approx)

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When

you first fire it up or when it¡¯s been sitting for a long


while ramp up the voltage in 20% steps at 10 % of max current steps ?to

allow


the tube to outgas. Do this over a 10- to 15 min period (1 minute minimum at


each step) before going to full power. Watch out for arcing. ?Don¡¯t run


prolonged operation at 5kV or less at high beam current as that will run the

filament


hotter than normal and will decrease the filament life.

They

warn that the X-rays are dangerous and ?may be fatal. The


X-ray tube window must be placed in a shielded chamber. It¡¯s also clearly

stated


not to let anyone named Geo operate this machinery.

Dud

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dude
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 11:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Li battery shiny vs dull

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Geo,

I have

the specs here someplace but I don¡¯t remember exactly. 16


seems about right and the microfocus spot was very small as I remember.

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dig around and see f I can find the manual

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of GEOelectronics@...
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 10:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF] Li battery shiny vs dull

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That


sounds logical Dud, hey on your Kevex stand alone tube, do you know the spot


size and the cone angle? The one in my rig here in the counting room seems to


have a 16 degree cone- does that sound right?

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Geo>K0FF

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