All good tests and yes they add to the knowledge base. Use what you have, make the most of it. Your last clue was the give away, it's a "taught-wire PID". We won't talk about its tech but we can sure analyze this wire... Geo ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Sejkora <kjsejkora@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:05:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [XRF] Ken's "Mystery Wire" Greetings to the group, ? Some more interesting properties of the ¡°mystery wire¡±.? Although I don¡¯t have a way to quantify the results, I can at least qualify the results. ? Regarding the magnetic properties of the wire, it appears to be somewhat ¡°neutral¡±.? I tried to qualify this in two manners.? I hooked up a small solenoid coil to an inductance meter and determined the inductance of the ¡°bare¡± core,? that is, nothing within the cavity of the core.? The result was 0.42 mH.? As expected, if I introduced a steel screwdriver into the cavity (ferromagnetic composition, that is, can be formed into a ¡®permanent¡¯ magnet), the inductance increased (1.53 mH).? If I introduced a few strands of 16-gauge copper wire (diamagnetic composition, that is, repelled by a magnetic field) into the core, the inductance decreased (0.38 mH). ?A roll of aluminum (paramagnetic composition, that is attracted to a magnetic field) also decreased the inductance (0.39 mH).? When I introduced several strands of the mystery wire into the cavity, the inductance didn¡¯t change at all, suggesting that it may be only paramagnetic (attracted to a magnetic field, although in this case only slightly to a strong neodymium magnet). ? Along a similar vein, I pulled out a cheap metal detector and checked its response to various metals.? When the discriminator was properly tuned and producing a steady tone, a pair of pliers or screwdriver (both steel/iron) produced a softer or absent tone, whereas a spool of copper produced a stronger/louder tone. A spool if the ¡°mystery wire¡± resulted in no change in the tone when the metal detector passed over it. ? Although metal, the ¡°mystery wire¡± appears to be almost ¡®neutral¡¯ in its response to a magnetic fields.? Granted, a small piece (<1 cm) of the wire will ¡°stick¡± very loosely to a strong neodymium magnet, it does not appear to produce any detectable response to my two electromagnetic tests. I will admit neither test is by no means quantitative, but I do find the qualitative results intriguing. ? When Geo suggested the wire might be some type of ¡°supermetal¡±, it made me start thinking.? I began to wonder if the composition of the wire was deliberately ¡°tuned¡± to have a neutral response.? A bit of background into the wire.? I used to work at a facility that had some E-field sensors around it to detect potential intruders.? The ¡°mystery wire¡± used to be stretched along the perimeter of the facility to detect any objects entering within the vicinity of the wires.? I have no idea if the process worked on detecting changes in inductance, capacitance, or both, but if one were attempting to minimize the inductive response, it might make sense to ¡°tune¡± the wire composition to be relatively ¡®neutral¡¯, that is, neither ferromagnetic (e.g., steel wire), diamagnetic (e.g., copper wire), and minimally paramagnetic.? On top of that, the mixture is strong, stiff, hard, resilient, and has a high tensile strength.? All of these properties would lend well to creating an E-field sensor. ? All speculation on my part.? Thanks for your analyses, George.? Like you said, aren¡¯t supermetals a hoot?? ? Ken |