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Here is a sample of online syenite Probably from China? In USA it is called Yooperlites originating from Michigan area These rocks are sold cheaply online and has been a subject of discussion in rock forums? This are some of its characteristics? Looks genuine . It resembles granite physically? It is grey with some white flakes? They share almost similar specific gravity? The missing component is quartz in??syenite It has a orange glow to UV 365 C8 Convo
This is due to the presence of florescent sodalite.
The blue glow is believe??to be dust?
Appears red with filtered 253nm SW Specific gravity is 2.61 which is typical . Unlike granite it is weakly magnetic to Nb magnetic? Xrf show K .Fe,Rb ,Sr and??Zr . Like granite I expect some radioactivity from the K feldspar component? Pic of granite vs syenite Syenite glow from 365 UV SW red not picked up by hp camera and therefore omitted? Xrf 60 Kv X-ray exciter of syenite Tq
On Saturday, October 19, 2024, 10:16 PM, taray singh via groups.io <sukhjez@...> wrote: text message to follow soon
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Taray
You should mark the Kb1 peaks as well.? They help verify the correct element.
Charles
El El sáb, oct 19, 2024 a la(s) 4:18?p.m., taray singh via <sukhjez= [email protected]> escribió:
Here is a sample of online syenite Probably from China? In USA it is called Yooperlites originating from Michigan area These rocks are sold cheaply online and has been a subject of discussion in rock forums? This are some of its characteristics? Looks genuine . It resembles granite physically? It is grey with some white flakes? They share almost similar specific gravity? The missing component is quartz in??syenite It has a orange glow to UV 365 C8 Convo
This is due to the presence of florescent sodalite.
The blue glow is believe??to be dust?
Appears red with filtered 253nm SW Specific gravity is 2.61 which is typical . Unlike granite it is weakly magnetic to Nb magnetic? Xrf show K .Fe,Rb ,Sr and??Zr . Like granite I expect some radioactivity from the K feldspar component? Pic of granite vs syenite Syenite glow from 365 UV SW red not picked up by hp camera and therefore omitted? Xrf 60 Kv X-ray exciter of syenite Tq
On Saturday, October 19, 2024, 10:16 PM, taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote: text message to follow soon
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With all the Zr I would suspect Zircon.? Without the locality it is anyone's guess.
Charles
Taray
You should mark the Kb1 peaks as well.? They help verify the correct element.
Charles El El sáb, oct 19, 2024 a la(s) 4:18?p.m., taray singh via <sukhjez= [email protected]> escribió:
Here is a sample of online syenite Probably from China? In USA it is called Yooperlites originating from Michigan area These rocks are sold cheaply online and has been a subject of discussion in rock forums? This are some of its characteristics? Looks genuine . It resembles granite physically? It is grey with some white flakes? They share almost similar specific gravity? The missing component is quartz in??syenite It has a orange glow to UV 365 C8 Convo
This is due to the presence of florescent sodalite.
The blue glow is believe??to be dust?
Appears red with filtered 253nm SW Specific gravity is 2.61 which is typical . Unlike granite it is weakly magnetic to Nb magnetic? Xrf show K .Fe,Rb ,Sr and??Zr . Like granite I expect some radioactivity from the K feldspar component? Pic of granite vs syenite Syenite glow from 365 UV SW red not picked up by hp camera and therefore omitted? Xrf 60 Kv X-ray exciter of syenite Tq
On Saturday, October 19, 2024, 10:16 PM, taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote: text message to follow soon
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Taray,
Try an optical spectrum
and see what that gets. It looks like there’s Pb, possibly some As, Nb and Y in
there as well.
Dud
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Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] syenite
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Here
is a sample of online syenite
Probably
from China?
In
USA it is called Yooperlites originating from Michigan area
These
rocks are sold cheaply online and has been a subject of discussion in rock
forums?
This
are some of its characteristics?
Looks
genuine .
It
resembles granite physically?
It
is grey with some white flakes?
They
share almost similar specific gravity?
The
missing component is quartz in??syenite
It
has a orange glow to UV 365 C8 Convo
?
This
is due to the presence of florescent sodalite.
?
The
blue glow is believe??to be dust?
?
Appears
red with filtered 253nm SW
Specific
gravity is 2.61 which is typical .
Unlike
granite it is weakly magnetic to Nb magnetic?
Xrf
show K .Fe,Rb ,Sr and??Zr .
Like
granite I expect some radioactivity from the K feldspar component?
Pic
of granite vs syenite
Syenite
glow from 365 UV
SW
red not picked up by hp camera and therefore omitted?
Xrf
60 Kv X-ray exciter of syenite
Tq
?
?
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Saturday, October 19, 2024, 10:16 PM, taray singh via groups.io
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Well syenite is found in China based on this article? This Fangcheng type florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones. Well the composition of mine is similar to this??chinese article samples. They indeed contain lots of Zr Besides Zr ,there is also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant . There could??be a Ga peak there as well besides other peaks. I generally like to keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances with my X-ray machine.
Did a 365 nm florescent spectrum using C8 Convo It shows the florescence culmating in orange Not laser strong for peak identification? Spectroglyph software expired? Enclose article and narran UV spectroscopy file Maybe Dude can convert it for me if necessary? Another interesting difference with granite is their magnetism Copied text.. ?It contains much more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their proportion ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.? Files??sent Thank you?
On Sunday, October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io <sukhjez@...> wrote:
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Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s
too weak to say. Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20
kV may help bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are
overwhelmed by the 365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd
order at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak
shows four convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2024
6:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] syenite
?
?
Well syenite is found
in China based on this article?
This Fangcheng type
florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the composition
of mine is similar to this??chinese article
samples.
They indeed contain
lots of Zr
Besides Zr ,there is
also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as
well besides other peaks.
I generally like to
keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances with my
X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm
florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the
florescence culmating in orange
Not laser strong for
peak identification?
Spectroglyph software
expired?
Enclose article and
narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude can convert
it for me if necessary?
Another interesting
difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It contains much
more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The
specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their proportion
ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday,
October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io
<sukhjez@...> wrote:
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Dude? Will attempt a?longer acquisition time for xrf? Some rocks deserve more attention? Not sure dissolving this alkaline rock in dil HCl and?shooting through a quartz cuvette will help in 365UV florescent spectrum. Quite an interesting specimen for analysis? UV florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf Thanks
On Monday, October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s
too weak to say. Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20
kV may help bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are
overwhelmed by the 365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd
order at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak
shows four convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite is found
in China based on this article?
This Fangcheng type
florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the composition
of mine is similar to this??chinese article
samples.
They indeed contain
lots of Zr
Besides Zr ,there is
also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as
well besides other peaks.
I generally like to
keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances with my
X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm
florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the
florescence culmating in orange
Not laser strong for
peak identification?
Spectroglyph software
expired?
Enclose article and
narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude can convert
it for me if necessary?
Another interesting
difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It contains much
more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The
specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their proportion
ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday,
October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io
<sukhjez@...> wrote:
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Taray
UV florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf Can you elaborate?
Charles
El El lun, oct 21, 2024 a la(s) 3:19?a.m., taray singh via <sukhjez= [email protected]> escribió:
Dude? Will attempt a?longer acquisition time for xrf? Some rocks deserve more attention? Not sure dissolving this alkaline rock in dil HCl and?shooting through a quartz cuvette will help in 365UV florescent spectrum. Quite an interesting specimen for analysis? UV florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf Thanks
On Monday, October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s
too weak to say. Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20
kV may help bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are
overwhelmed by the 365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd
order at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak
shows four convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite is found
in China based on this article?
This Fangcheng type
florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the composition
of mine is similar to this??chinese article
samples.
They indeed contain
lots of Zr
Besides Zr ,there is
also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as
well besides other peaks.
I generally like to
keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances with my
X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm
florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the
florescence culmating in orange
Not laser strong for
peak identification?
Spectroglyph software
expired?
Enclose article and
narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude can convert
it for me if necessary?
Another interesting
difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It contains much
more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The
specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their proportion
ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday,
October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via
<sukhjez=[email protected]> wrote:
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Assuming the
fluorescence is due to sodalite, which is a aluminum silicate, I’m not sure if HCl
will leach anything out, but it’s certainly worth a try. I’ve had good luck
using HCl on the REE oxides.
?
Note the absorption at
401nm which is good for using a laser pointer and another good one at 479nm
which laser diodes are available.
?
Dud
?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of taray singh via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2024
6:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] syenite
?
Dude?
Will attempt a?longer
acquisition time for xrf?
Some rocks deserve more
attention?
Not sure dissolving this
alkaline rock in dil HCl and?shooting through a quartz cuvette will help
in 365UV florescent spectrum.
Quite an interesting specimen
for analysis?
UV florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf
Thanks
?
On Monday,
October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s too weak to say.
Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20 kV may help
bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are overwhelmed by the
365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd order
at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak shows four
convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite
is found in China based on this article?
This
Fangcheng type florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the
composition of mine is similar to this??chinese article samples.
They indeed
contain lots of Zr
Besides Zr
,there is also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as well besides other peaks.
I generally
like to keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances
with my X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm
florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the
florescence culmating in orange
Not laser
strong for peak identification?
Spectroglyph
software expired?
Enclose
article and narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude
can convert it for me if necessary?
Another
interesting difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It
contains much more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare
pyrox- ene. The specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their
proportion ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday, October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io
<sukhjez@...> wrote:
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Charles,
Same principles of electronic
transitions to a higher energy state due to energy absorption. XRF works at the
atomic level while UV fluorescence works at the molecular level or in a crystal
field. Same principles but different energies and mechanisms involved.
Dud
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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2024
11:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] syenite
?
UV
florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf
?
?
El El lun, oct 21, 2024 a la(s) 3:19?a.m., taray singh via <sukhjez=[email protected]> escribió:
Dude?
Will attempt a?longer acquisition time for xrf?
Some rocks deserve more attention?
Not sure dissolving this alkaline rock in dil HCl and?shooting
through a quartz cuvette will help in 365UV florescent spectrum.
Quite an interesting specimen for analysis?
UV florescent
spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf
Thanks
?
On Monday, October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM,
Dude <dfemer@...>
wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s too weak to say. Perhaps with a longer
count time and running the HV down to 20 kV may help bring out the lower energy
elements
The optical data are overwhelmed by the 365nm producing the second
order peak at 730 and even the 3rd order at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak shows four convolved peaks that are
probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite is found in China based on this article?
This Fangcheng type florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or
healing stones.
Well the composition of mine is similar to this??chinese
article samples.
They indeed contain lots of Zr
Besides Zr ,there is also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba
which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as well besides other
peaks.
I generally like to keep my acquisition times short to avoid any
untoward circumstances with my X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the florescence culmating in orange
Not laser strong for peak identification?
Spectroglyph software expired?
Enclose article and narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude can convert it for me if necessary?
Another interesting difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It contains much more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and
hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The specific gravity varies with the
constituent minerals and their proportion ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday, October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM,
taray singh via
<sukhjez=[email protected]>
wrote:
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Here are??the sites and files which are self explanatory? Chatgpt is a good guide?
Fluorescent spectroscopy can enhance XRF analysis by providing complementary information about the sample's elemental composition and mineralogy. It helps identify specific fluorescent peaks that may indicate the presence of certain elements or compounds, aiding in the interpretation of XRF data. Additionally, it can assist in distinguishing between overlapping spectral lines and enhancing the detection of trace elements, ultimately improving the accuracy of the analysis. End Besides some organic substances glow under UV In a diagnostic way Many dyes and proteins have specific florescent activity? If you follow optical spectrum forum,gin tonic has got a optical florescent compound called quinine with specific absorption and florescent peaks Xrf will not show anything since it is purely organic mixture.
?Repeated xrf for syenite with my my 60KV??xray setup? Ga not seen? As is showing up May Nb is hiding??somewhere? Ce is showing its presence? Attempted dil HCl method with broken particles by scrapping with a file The solution remains too dilute with very light orange fluorescence Maybe I should grind a rock first but no intention. Not enough florophores dissolving??to give bright orange flourescense. Direct rock method is limited by small sized orange glows which widely scattered? If there is a big patch of orange glow.,things could have??been easier Files to follow Tq
On Monday, October 21, 2024, 11:17 PM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Assuming the
fluorescence is due to sodalite, which is a aluminum silicate, I’m not sure if HCl
will leach anything out, but it’s certainly worth a try. I’ve had good luck
using HCl on the REE oxides.
?
Note the absorption at
401nm which is good for using a laser pointer and another good one at 479nm
which laser diodes are available.
?
Dud
?
?
Dude?
Will attempt a?longer
acquisition time for xrf?
Some rocks deserve more
attention?
Not sure dissolving this
alkaline rock in dil HCl and?shooting through a quartz cuvette will help
in 365UV florescent spectrum.
Quite an interesting specimen
for analysis?
UV florescent spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf
Thanks
?
On Monday,
October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s too weak to say.
Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20 kV may help
bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are overwhelmed by the
365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd order
at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak shows four
convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite
is found in China based on this article?
This
Fangcheng type florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the
composition of mine is similar to this??chinese article samples.
They indeed
contain lots of Zr
Besides Zr
,there is also peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as well besides other peaks.
I generally
like to keep my acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances
with my X-ray machine.
?
Did a 365 nm
florescent spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the
florescence culmating in orange
Not laser
strong for peak identification?
Spectroglyph
software expired?
Enclose
article and narran UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude
can convert it for me if necessary?
Another
interesting difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It
contains much more ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare
pyrox- ene. The specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their
proportion ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On Sunday, October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io
<sukhjez@...> wrote:
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The new run is seeing
Ce, La, Nd, Nb (16.62), Y (14.96)
Ga is still pretty weak
at 9.27 and maybe Se at 11.27
The REE’s seen in XRF would
tend to confirm the optical spectra is showing what is presumed to be REE’s as
well
Dud
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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2024
8:46 AM
To: [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] syenite
?
Here are??the
sites and files which are self explanatory?
Chatgpt is a good
guide?
?
Fluorescent
spectroscopy can enhance XRF analysis by providing complementary information
about the sample's elemental composition and mineralogy. It helps identify
specific fluorescent peaks that may indicate the presence of certain elements
or compounds, aiding in the interpretation of XRF data. Additionally, it can
assist in distinguishing between overlapping spectral lines and enhancing the
detection of trace elements, ultimately improving the accuracy of the analysis.
End
Besides some organic
substances glow under UV In a diagnostic way
Many dyes and proteins
have specific florescent activity?
If you follow optical
spectrum forum,gin tonic has got a optical florescent compound called quinine
with specific absorption and florescent peaks
Xrf will not show
anything since it is purely organic mixture.
?
?Repeated xrf for
syenite with my my 60KV??xray setup?
Ga not seen?
As is showing up
May Nb is hiding??somewhere?
Ce is showing its
presence?
Attempted dil HCl
method with broken particles by scrapping with a file
The solution remains
too dilute with very light orange fluorescence
Maybe I should grind a
rock first but no intention.
Not enough florophores
dissolving??to
give bright orange flourescense.
Direct rock method is
limited by small sized orange glows which widely scattered?
If there is a big
patch of orange glow.,things could have??been easier
Files to follow
Tq
?
?
On Monday,
October 21, 2024, 11:17 PM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:
Assuming the fluorescence is due to
sodalite, which is a aluminum silicate, I’m not sure if HCl will leach anything
out, but it’s certainly worth a try. I’ve had good luck using HCl on the REE
oxides.
?
Note the absorption at 401nm which is good
for using a laser pointer and another good one at 479nm which laser diodes are
available.
?
Dud
?
?
Dude?
Will attempt a?longer acquisition time for
xrf?
Some rocks deserve more attention?
Not sure dissolving this alkaline rock in dil HCl
and?shooting through a quartz cuvette will help in 365UV florescent
spectrum.
Quite an interesting specimen for analysis?
UV florescent
spectroscopy goes hand in hand with xrf
Thanks
?
On Monday, October 21, 2024, 1:20 AM, Dude
<dfemer@...> wrote:
Taray,
I looked for Ga but it’s too weak to say.
Perhaps with a longer count time and running the HV down to 20 kV may help
bring out the lower energy elements
The optical data are overwhelmed by the
365nm producing the second order peak at 730 and even the 3rd order
at 1095nm.
The broad fluorescence peak shows four
convolved peaks that are probably rare earths.
Dud
?
?
?
?
?
Well syenite is found in
China based on this article?
This Fangcheng type
florescent rocks are sold of as yooperlites or healing stones.
Well the composition of
mine is similar to this??chinese article samples.
They indeed contain lots of
Zr
Besides Zr ,there is also
peaks suggestive of Ce and??Ba which is dominant .
There could??be a Ga peak there as well besides other peaks.
I generally like to keep my
acquisition times short to avoid any untoward circumstances with my X-ray
machine.
?
Did a 365 nm florescent
spectrum using C8 Convo
It shows the florescence
culmating in orange
Not laser strong for peak
identification?
Spectroglyph software
expired?
Enclose article and narran
UV spectroscopy file
Maybe Dude can convert it
for me if necessary?
Another interesting
difference with granite is their magnetism
Copied text..
?It contains much more
ferromagnesian minerals biotite and hornblende, and rare pyrox- ene. The
specific gravity varies with the constituent minerals and their proportion
ranging between 2.6 and 2.8.?
Files??sent
Thank you?
?
On
Sunday, October 20, 2024, 9:39 PM, taray singh via groups.io
<sukhjez@...> wrote:
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