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Re: Rhenium,scandium,dysprosium and samarium


 

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I wouldn¡¯t think so as it would have to be in a crystal form for the energy transfer. I base this on trying to look at the reflectance of Nd in rocks and minerals which show the absorption features but when trying it on a metamict crystal I get nothing. The radiation damage destroys the crystal structure and with it characteristic bands.

BTW the correct Sm fluorescence peaks seen are 596 nm with the smaller peaks at 558 and 644nm.

Dud KK7IF

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of taray singh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 9:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] Rhenium,scandium,dysprosium and samarium

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Dude?

Rare earths are interesting with?their electron shell configurations

Any way of displaying these??optical luminous properties in the pure form ?

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On Tuesday, September 10, 2024, 11:42 AM, Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:

Taray,

For the case of samarium the optical transmission spectrum shows good transmission from 500 to NIR. While the UV has multiple sharp absorbance bands due to the 4f electron shell configuration. Most of the rare earths show this behavior of sharp absorption lines. Note that Neodymium Oxide has absorption past about 450nm giving the powder a blue coloration while the Sm oxide is white.

The absorbance defines the color by the reflection or absorbing of certain wavelengths of light. These absorbed wavelength¡¯s can transfer their energy as heat or re-radiate it at a lower wavelength called fluorescence. In the case of samarium note that it has a strong absorbance at 401nm so by putting a strong laser in it at 405nm it can be seen to fluoresce at 596 nm with smaller peaks at 558 and 594 nm.? In a similar fashion illuminating it at the absorption line of 472 nm will produce the same peaks with the amplitude will depending on the degree and bandwidth of absorption.

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In a similar fashion in XRF using different HV setting and using filters at each voltage can change the sensitivity to the element of interest.

In this Sm case the best response is from beam #3 15 kV, followed by beam #2 40 kV, and then beam #1 50kV. Some setting can miss things as you want the best x-ray flux close to and above (10-15 kev) the elements binding energy¡¯s edge.

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Sm Oxide.bmp

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Sm Oxide 50 kV range.bmp

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If anyone wants to play with some REE oxides I can send you some and RE minerals like cerite ,xenotime, monazite and others work the same.

Dud KK7IF

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of taray singh via groups.io
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 6:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XRF-Page-2] Rhenium,scandium,dysprosium and samarium

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Some??people collect pure metals?

I notice??most??metals in a pure form tend to have a silvery??with different shades of grey appearance .

This??has something to do with electronic structure??related to absorption and reflection of visible light in pure metals

Color??is a subject??familiar to UV and visible light spectroscopy.

One possible way to tell them apart is??specific gravity which has been discussed before..

?Now back to xrf..

These are sample of??relatively pure??scandium,rhenium,dysprosium and samarium

To analyze peaks??results go to

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One can??interpret any element of interest for xrf for free up to about 40 KV due to xray limitations.

Once there was a good free xrf software on AppStore which covers a very broad??xrf range

Now it has been replaced by another paid app??probably from the same seller.

Interestingly this XspecApp connects to Dp5

I have no plans of purchasing yet

Poor ratings so far..

My samples are???barely a few gms (except??samarium??10 gms)and shot through a PE container?

Acquisition is only 3secs

?Xray 60 Kv 0.1 mA

Some of the peaks may be worthy of a longer acquisition time.

The pics are from the seller website??for convenience.

Thanks

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On Monday, September 9, 2024, 9:31 PM, taray singh via groups.io <sukhjez@...> wrote:

Info to follow next........

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