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Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
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I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
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From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
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[Attachment(s)
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gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
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Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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USA +1 213 984 1237
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The factory modified ones for the 2200, yes.
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From: Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
?
Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
?
I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
?
[Attachment(s)
from Michael Coates included below]
gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
?
Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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for there you have been, and there you long to return."
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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skype name: xcomavionics
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But not the 912, sorry
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From: Michael Coates mcoates@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air F
?
Hello John, is after an engine mount for a standard X-Air not the
H model but it is good to know that you have one for the H model
anyway. Do you have the modified engine cowls to suit ?
John palmettoe@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 9:28 AM:
?
I have a new
factory 912 mount for the H model if interested, make
offer, I am in the USA, John
-----Original
Message-----
From: Michael Coates mcoates@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft]
To: X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: X-Air Ultralight Aircraft Re: BRS in X'air
F [3 Attachments]
?
[Attachment(s)
from Michael Coates included below]
gally_355@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on
14/05/2017 8:44 PM:
?
Hi Jon,
In Australia my X-Air MTOW is 490kg
my aircraft empty weight is 260kg
I actually purchased a 912 I wanted
to install in it rather than the 582...
not sure yet as it seems hard to get a
912 engine mount grrr
with a chute added I know the weight
here can be more,?
the ones I seen have a mount to clamp
the external bullet looking chute to the
main boom then has the straps bolted to
the frame... I'm sure a google search
will find some extra info but if not
look at the assembly manual as it shows
the BRS mounting :)?
I
would be very keen to see some close
up pictures of your 912 mounting
a mate of mine just purchased a X-Air
with a jabiru 2200 and a BRS fitted.. I
will get a pic or two and show you his
one, I dont think you will need to
bother covering the fuel tanks as the
rock et is above and outside the
aircraft frame..
cheers Pete?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
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?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I found
an image on the German X’air agent? which shows their system? housed
internally:-
?
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
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UK X’air F 912
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Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute. It's pointing
STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont understand. The
idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks is
more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several
ways to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the
cofg of the aircraft. In the back like shown on your photo would
need a lot of weight up front.
'Jonathan Webb' avia1or01@...
[X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29 PM:
?
?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly
the system used in Australia is quite different to
that in Europe. After a bit of research I found an
image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
?
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory
in France so I am currently making enquiries in that
direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
?
UK X?�?air F 912
?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
Company Director X-Air Australia
Gold Coast, Australia.
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
Slovenia +386 3041 6470
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Yes, I can see advantages and disadvantages in
both systems. The idea of detonating a rocket a few cm from a plastic fuel tank
is something that doesn't appeal. I believe the theory is that the rocket
exhaust is contained within the tube while it is within the airframe, however I
can imagine if there is any vapour at all things will end badly.
?
re C of G , they don't show where the chute
goes, its probably packed in a fabric holder and it may well be mounted between
the wings thus balancing the Cof G with the rocket.
?
There is also quite a bit of scope for C of G
adjustment as currently the battery is mounted in the tail as far back as it
will go. If I needed to tip the C of G forward I can simply move the battery
along the fuse tube or perhaps replace it with a lithium one.
?
The rocket exhaust problem is not so easily
solved. Perhaps some sort of fire blanket or at least a metal deflector. Perhaps
the trisk is lower than it looks as there are many aircraft with similar
installations and so far despite many deployments nobody has ignited a fuel
tank.
?
?
regards,
?
Jon
?
?
?
?
Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute.
It's pointing STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont
understand. The idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks
is more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several ways
to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the cofg of the aircraft.
In the back like shown on your photo would need a lot of weight up
front.
'Jonathan Webb'
avia1or01@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29
PM:
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?
?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I
found an image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
?
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
?
UK X?�?air F 912
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I recall working on fitting the battery in the xair F tail and getting it load tested and approved in UK. It was the only way we could achieve the C of G when fitting a heavier Verner or Rotax 912. The down side was the length, diameter and weight of battery cables required to reduce the voltage drop on starting the current hungry Verner. Take note when doing C&G calculations. If you need to bring battery forward the I'm sure I still have some keel tube battery boxes in my roof space. ( saddle bag style)
Steve
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?
?
Yes, I can see advantages and disadvantages in
both systems. The idea of detonating a rocket a few cm from a plastic fuel tank
is something that doesn't appeal. I believe the theory is that the rocket
exhaust is contained within the tube while it is within the airframe, however I
can imagine if there is any vapour at all things will end badly.
?
re C of G , they don't show where the chute
goes, its probably packed in a fabric holder and it may well be mounted between
the wings thus balancing the Cof G with the rocket.
?
There is also quite a bit of scope for C of G
adjustment as currently the battery is mounted in the tail as far back as it
will go. If I needed to tip the C of G forward I can simply move the battery
along the fuse tube or perhaps replace it with a lithium one.
?
The rocket exhaust problem is not so easily
solved. Perhaps some sort of fire blanket or at least a metal deflector. Perhaps
the trisk is lower than it looks as there are many aircraft with similar
installations and so far despite many deployments nobody has ignited a fuel
tank.
?
?
regards,
?
Jon
?
?
?
?
Thats only the rocket, not the complete chute.
It's pointing STRAIGHT at the fuel tanks ????? Something i dont
understand. The idea with the system we use is the distance from the fuel tanks
is more than 1 meter and no chance of an accident.? There are several ways
to mount the chute but the way we use puts it right on the cofg of the aircraft.
In the back like shown on your photo would need a lot of weight up
front.
'Jonathan Webb'
avia1or01@... [X-Air_Ultralight_Aircraft] wrote on 15/05/2017 6:29
PM:
?
?
Thanks to everyone who has replied. Interestingly the system used in
Australia is quite different to that in Europe. After a bit of research I
found an image on the German X?�?air agent? which shows their
system? housed internally:-
?
http://xair-wing.de/
?
( Picture No 6 )
?
?
?
I think that system is available from the factory in France so I am
currently making enquiries in that direction.
?
?
regards,
?
Jonathan
?
UK X?�?air F 912
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John M.
Steve Rance