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Hello Gentlemen,
Does my X Air mechanical fuel pump use any residual motor oil from crankcase for lubrication or is it an entirely separate system, and keeps cool using the fuel as a lubricator?
Also, I cannot seem to find where my electronic fuel pump is...? Do most pilots install their pumps underneath the fiberglass floor or is it installed behind the instrument panel??
Right now my fuel tank is full but my fuel lines are bone dry as well as no fuel in the fuel filter. Will the electronic fuel pump siphon fuel through the lines into the carb or do I keep throttle closed but choke fully engaged to prime/pump fuel mechanically using the starter and mechanical fuel pump?
Thanks again,
Justin
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Justin
Check under the floor for the electronic fuel pump……. Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario?
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On Apr 15, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
?Hello Gentlemen,
Does my X Air mechanical fuel pump use any residual motor oil from crankcase for lubrication or is it an entirely separate system, and keeps cool using the fuel as a lubricator?
Also, I cannot seem to find where my electronic fuel pump is...? Do most pilots install their pumps underneath the fiberglass floor or is it installed behind the instrument panel??
Right now my fuel tank is full but my fuel lines are bone dry as well as no fuel in the fuel filter. Will the electronic fuel pump siphon fuel through the lines into the carb or do I keep throttle closed but choke fully engaged to prime/pump fuel mechanically using the starter and mechanical fuel pump?
Thanks again,
Justin
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My fuel pump is under the right seat in my hanuman.
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From: Geoffrey Gartshore <geoff.gartshore@...>
Date: 2022-04-15 9:03 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] Mechanical and electric fuel pumps on my X Air
Justin
Check under the floor for the electronic fuel pump…….
Geoff Gartshore
Zenith CH200 GCUD
Waterloo, Ontario?
On Apr 15, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
?Hello Gentlemen,
Does my X Air mechanical fuel pump use any residual motor oil from crankcase for lubrication or is it an entirely separate system, and keeps cool using the fuel as a lubricator?
Also, I cannot seem to find where my electronic fuel pump is...? Do most pilots install their pumps underneath the fiberglass floor or is it installed behind the instrument panel??
Right now my fuel tank is full but my fuel lines are bone dry as well as no fuel in the fuel filter. Will the electronic fuel pump siphon fuel through the lines into the carb or do I keep throttle closed but choke fully engaged to prime/pump fuel mechanically
using the starter and mechanical fuel pump?
Thanks again,
Justin
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make and model of fuel pump?
any pictures to send/show me?
if not, all good - just thought i'd ask
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My fuel pump is under the right seat in my hanuman.
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From: Geoffrey Gartshore <geoff.gartshore@...>
Date: 2022-04-15 9:03 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] Mechanical and electric fuel pumps on my X Air
Justin
Check under the floor for the electronic fuel pump…….
Geoff Gartshore
Zenith CH200 GCUD
Waterloo, Ontario?
On Apr 15, 2022, at 7:33 AM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
?Hello Gentlemen,
Does my X Air mechanical fuel pump use any residual motor oil from crankcase for lubrication or is it an entirely separate system, and keeps cool using the fuel as a lubricator?
Also, I cannot seem to find where my electronic fuel pump is...? Do most pilots install their pumps underneath the fiberglass floor or is it installed behind the instrument panel??
Right now my fuel tank is full but my fuel lines are bone dry as well as no fuel in the fuel filter. Will the electronic fuel pump siphon fuel through the lines into the carb or do I keep throttle closed but choke fully engaged to prime/pump fuel mechanically
using the starter and mechanical fuel pump?
Thanks again,
Justin
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My electric fuel pump is on the firewall. It's an automotive type like this one.
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=82&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=FAC-40104&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr-SSBhC9ARIsANhzu16nYoajG3iH-QHypEbUsLiKnsYV_l8iP6iAmbfj-O7I8MYuZIQYLocaAv0qEALw_wcB
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Thanks?for providing a link!
So, if my fuel lines have no fuel and I turn this pump on, will damage occur before any fuel lubricates the pump, or should i turn the engine over by hand or try starting it with choke on - without using the electric fuel pump?
I'd like to prime all fuel lines without damaging anything.
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My electric fuel pump is on the firewall. It's an automotive type like this one.
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=82&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=FAC-40104&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr-SSBhC9ARIsANhzu16nYoajG3iH-QHypEbUsLiKnsYV_l8iP6iAmbfj-O7I8MYuZIQYLocaAv0qEALw_wcB
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A facet pump will not have any problems running dry until it primes.
The inbuilt fuel filter is a problem because it can clog and you
can't see anything because it is fully closed so extra care must be
taken. You need to have a one-way bypass valve fitted and if you
need more information just let me know. Also note: they come in
different pressure outputs so you must make sure you get the correct
one, I have seen somebody install a 10 psi unit and it simply vent
fuel out of the carburettor when the engine is not running because
the fuel pressure is so high
Justin Gregoris wrote on 16/04/2022
10:53 pm:
Thanks?for providing a link!
So, if my fuel lines have no fuel and I turn this pump on, will
damage occur before any fuel lubricates the pump, or should i
turn the engine over by hand or try starting it with choke on -
without using the electric fuel pump?
I'd like to prime all fuel lines without damaging anything.
My electric fuel pump is on the firewall. It's an automotive
type like this one.
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Ok so most X Air Hanuman's come with that fuel pump - and those fuel pumps also have a filter built inside them?
Is there a way to dismantle these fuel pumps to clean the built-in filter?
Justin
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A facet pump will not have any problems running dry until it primes. The inbuilt fuel filter is a problem because it can clog and you can't see anything because it is fully closed so extra care must be taken. You need to have a one-way bypass valve fitted
and if you need more information just let me know. Also note: they come in different pressure outputs so you must make sure you get the correct one, I have seen somebody install a 10 psi unit and it simply vent fuel out of the carburettor when the engine is
not running because the fuel pressure is so high
Justin Gregoris wrote on 16/04/2022 10:53 pm:
Thanks?for providing a link!
So, if my fuel lines have no fuel and I turn this pump on, will damage occur before any fuel lubricates the pump, or should i turn the engine over by hand or try starting it with choke on - without using the electric fuel pump?
I'd like to prime all fuel lines without damaging anything.
My electric fuel pump is on the firewall. It's an automotive type like this one.
--
With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Mine has a bypass made with a one-way check valve that t's around the pump. It has a small silver filter before the pump and another filer between the tank and the filter pump. I'm not aware of any internal filter and it's not been a problems as of yet for me.
Tom
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I'm assuming I can unscrew the fasteners from the bottom of the aircraft and drop the floor to access all of the fuel lines and pump?
Mine has a bypass made with a one-way check valve that t's around the pump. It has a small silver filter before the pump and another filer between the tank and the filter pump. I'm not aware of any internal filter and it's not been a problems as of yet for
me.
Tom
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Yes.? Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario?
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I'm assuming I can unscrew the fasteners from the bottom of the aircraft and drop the floor to access all of the fuel lines and pump?
Mine has a bypass made with a one-way check valve that t's around the pump. It has a small silver filter before the pump and another filer between the tank and the filter pump. I'm not aware of any internal filter and it's not been a problems as of yet for
me.
Tom
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Anyone have a diagram of what setup I should have ? I'll? dismantle the floor tomorrow and remove and replace the facet pump filter but then also try and plumb? fuel lines to bypass this pump, in the event it may fail.
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the large gold part at the bottom of this picture is the filter. If
you break them open there is a wire mesh filter in their but they
are not serviceable, the only way to try and service them is to
flush them backwards but I have had mixed results. The fibreglass of
the X-Air fuel tank will clog these in record time so you are best
to discard this filter and use a serviceable filter which is clear
like in the 2nd photograph.....?? you can get these in quarter-inch,
5/16 and 3/8 nipple size and it is important to get the correct one
for your fuel hose because a loose one is not a good fit
Mine has a bypass made with a one-way check valve that t's
around the pump. It has a small silver filter before the pump
and another filer between the tank and the filter pump. I'm not
aware of any internal filter and it's not been a problems as of
yet for me.
Tom
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AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
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This is what it should look like (generically)
Justin Gregoris wrote on 18/04/2022
7:43 am:
Anyone have a diagram of what setup I should have ? I'll?
dismantle the floor tomorrow and remove and replace the facet pump
filter but then also try and plumb? fuel lines to bypass this
pump, in the event it may fail.
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With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
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See your PM ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> Til: [email protected]Sent: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:43:51 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] Mechanical and electric fuel pumps on my X Air Anyone have a diagram of what setup I should have ? I'll? dismantle the floor tomorrow and remove and replace the facet pump filter but then also try and plumb? fuel lines to bypass this pump, in the event it may fail.
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Many thanks gentlemen!
Your responses are valued.
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Anyone have a diagram of what setup I should have ? I'll? dismantle the floor tomorrow and remove and replace the facet pump filter but then also try and plumb? fuel lines to bypass this pump, in the event it may fail.
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