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Hi. I¡¯m Mike. I¡¯ve just got finished reviving a D9 my sister brought down from her last visit. I like it so much that I bought a cheap ($40) Singer 9W-7 on eBay that fits one of my singer cabinets and uses Singer 221 bobbins. It¡¯s a fine machine but it¡¯s no D9.
I¡¯ve managed to acquire 4 bobbins for the D9 and substitute needles for it (and my singer 9W-7). If I could just locate a real bobbin cover slide plate for the D9, instead of the homemade one it now has, it¡¯ll be ready for my sister to pick up on her next visit. She acquired the D9 and cabinet from a coworker who was about to throw it away! She volunteered to take the machine (knowing nothing about it) and uses it for a lamp stand. When she finally told me about it I told her that the machine has a great reputation and I would like to try to get it sewing again. I managed to get it situated on a singer VS-2 cabinet after I got it freed up. Someday I¡¯ll find a good deal on one for myself. Anyway, that the extent of my current adventures with the Wheeler and Wilson D9. |
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Hi Mike; Welcome to the group. The D-9 & 9W7 are both excellent?machines. The D-9s were made from 1895 through 1905. After Singer bought W&W they first made the 9W1 which still wore W&W decals & fit W&W cabinets. Around 1909 they brought out the 9W7 which had Singer decals & fit Singer cabinets. At first these retained the D-9 bagel bobbin, but was later changed to the flat sided bobbin?which is dimensionally compatible with the 221 bobbin.? Over the years I have managed to acquire 3 D-9s, a hand crank, a 5 drawer drophead treadle & an old electric conversion. I have one 9W7 which likewise uses the flat sided bobbin. There are however some aspects of the earlier #9 machines which I like better than the D-9. Incidentally, my Wife's maiden name was Taylor. She was born in Mt Vernon IL & mostly grew up in a small town named Sesser IL. It is located about 7 miles off I-57 across Rend Lake. When she was growing?up there, neither I-57 nor Rend Lake existed.? Miller/TN |
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Hi Mike; The best I have been able to determine is that all W&W D-9s will have a 7-digit serial number which will be between 2,200,000 & 3,000,000. If the 7-digit number begins with a 3 it will have been built by Singer. Some Singer built 9W machines have a number of less than 7-digits but also have a W in the number. There are no serial number records available for these machines. A general "Rule of Thumb" is to subtract 2,200,000 from the SN?of a W&W D-9 (Doesn't apply to Singer built ones). Divide the result by 75,000 & then add that answer to 1895. This should give you the year it was made within a range of ¡À 1 year.? You can safely tell your Sister she has a W&W D-9 made within ¡À one year of 1900. It is not a Singer 9W1.? Miller/TN |
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Thanks! I also need some information on the 9W-7. The serial # is W25543. This machine was listed for some time and I ignored it because of W serial number, assuming that is was an early donut bobbin machine. But after my sister brought down her D9 and I started reviving it, I decided to take a second look at the Singer and noticed the bobbin case was different. After a few parts searches I was able to determine it has the Singer bobbin case, so I gambled on it for $40. It turned out great.
But I¡¯m still wondering about the W and relatively low (5 digit) serial #. Is it a conversion from an early donut model or did it come from the factory with the singer bobbin case? |
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Hi, I'm replying? to Michael Taylor. I'm Cheryl Emrick. I think I'm the one who sold you the 4 bobbins for your D9, from CT. I bought the W&W D9 for the cabinet. I have the sewing machine but seemed way beyond repair. Very rusted. I am selling parts off of it. Or if someone wants it for parts.? Hope you liked the bobbins. Cheryl On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 1:54 PM Michael Taylor via Groups.Io <miketaylor1253=[email protected]> wrote: Thanks! I also need some information on the 9W-7. The serial # is W25543. This machine was listed for some time and I ignored it because of W serial number, assuming that is was an early donut bobbin machine. But after my sister brought down her D9 and I started reviving it, I decided to take a second look at the Singer and noticed the bobbin case was different. After a few parts searches I was able to determine it has the Singer bobbin case, so I gambled on it for $40. It turned out great. |
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Hello, my name is Elda and own both a WW9 "transition from 8" (someone told me it was called? that because it has a 9 but it uses the bobbin system just like the WW8) and a WW D9. I am interested in some replacement parts? I? am wo dering if you have? been able to to see my message sent a little while ago. Thanks.
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Hi All; I will try to combine several answers in this one post. The majority of #8 machines had the larger 1.0" (25.4mm) dia? bobbin by 0.245" (6.22mm) thick. Its case did not have a tension spring, tension was applied externally to the case. Late in the #8 production the bobbin was redesigned to a bobbin of 0.866" dia (22mm) by 0.278" (7.06mm) thick. The bobbin case had a built-in tension spring, but did not have a locating finger. The bobbin holder (Drop) was also redesigned & these normally cary an?1885 patent date.? Very early? #9 machines used the identical bobbin & case. Very shortly a locating finger was added to the case which also required a clearance cut be made in the bobbin drop ring.? The D-9 changed to a built in bobbin case with a latch finger & did away with the bobbin drop. Its bobbin retained the same diameter but was thickened to 0.305" (7.75mm) for a slightly greater thread capacity. The D-9 bobbins have a single hole in each side down close to the hub for identification, #9 bobbin sides are totally smooth. Singer 9W machines used the same identical case & bobbin until late in their production when the case & latch finger were slightly re-shaped to allow for the flat sided bobbin. This has nothing to do with whether it is a 9W1 or 9W7. So far as I am aware all the ones with the flat sided bobbins are 9W7 machines "UNLESS" the bobbin case has been switched from a later machine. Singer 9W machines will be found with both the 7-digit SN as well as the shorter number with the W addendum. So far as I know the reason for both styles of numbers has never been determined. Both styles of numbers are found in both the 9W1 & 9W7 types. There are other sub-models other than the 1 & 7 but these have to do with slight variations, such as fitted for a hand crank, equipped with a hand crank & furnished with a knee lifter for the presser bar & etc, but they will all be of the basic 1 or 7 configuration.? The 9W1 has W&W decals & fits W&W wood, while the 9W7 has Singer decals & fits Singer wood. The #9 is a totally different machine than the #8, I do not believe there is a Transition as such. I do have a very early #9 which uses the bobbin case without locating finger, same as late #8 machines. Its SN is 21,041 & it does not carry the March 25, 1890 patent date seen on the majority of #9 machines. Other than the bobbin area it is strictly a #9 & nothing like a #8. I would not call it a transition machine, but rather a New Model. My Singer?9W7 incidentally?carries a SN of 3,185,801Applying "The Formula" to it would show a build date of 1908. As it uses the flat sided bobbin I feel it highly unlikely it was built prior to 1910 at the earliest. It seems total production of these machines had come to an end by 1913. They were replaced by the Singer model 115-1 which was introduced in 1912 & also a rotary, based on the W&W design but revamped to use ase a bobbin case similar to the Singer 15s. It also very closely resembled the Singer 15-30 in appearance. If I skipped anything feel free to ask again. Miller/TN. |
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Cheryl Emrick
Hi Mike, I'm? a newbie so if you have a picture of the bobbin cover slide plate I'll let you know. When I took the bobbin out there was a notch of some sort you had to release to get it out.Im away until Wed. Will send you pictures then Cheryl On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 2:58 PM Michael Taylor via Groups.Io <miketaylor1253=[email protected]> wrote: Hi Cheryl. My sister had only 1 D9 bobbin and after looking around for a few days, yours were the only ones I found. Thanks for listing them. |
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Thanks for the response. The serial numbers on the 9Ws appear to be largely irrelevant. I guess the lesson is to not ignore a Singer with a W serial #. You must check the machine itself to determine if it has the Singer bobbin case.
Useful info for anyone looking into getting a 9W. Thanks again for the response. |
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