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Libby Barnett

Hi! Libby from Tennessee here. Just got my first Wheeler and Wilson. A No3. So glad to find some fellow enthusiasts. 6 kids, 22nd machines 5 of which are treadle and 1 hand crank. Got my kids raised and I am ready to get back to sewing!

#3298

Welcome to the group Libby!!

#3303

Hi & Welcome Libby;
What part of TN are you from, I'm from down here in Lynchburg. If you can make it come to the TN TOGA this year. It is held in Winchester TN & this years dates are Thur-Sat Aug 9-11.  It is of course sponsored by Treadleon, but even if you aren't a member there is OK to come.
 What is your hand crank? I like the hand machines. Most of mine are retro fit with the reproduction cranks but do have several originals. I am particularlly proud of two W&W hand cranks, a #9 & a D-9.
Miller/TN

Libby Barnett

#3304

Ha! I live in Normandy, have a business in Tullahoma, and work an extra job in Winchester! Hi neighbor!? I would love to go to another TOGA! I went to one in Fresno many years ago. Can't wait to meet you all!

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 8:08 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:

Hi & Welcome Libby;
What part of TN are you from, I'm from down here in Lynchburg. If you can make it come to the TN TOGA this year. It is held in Winchester TN & this years dates are Thur-Sat Aug 9-11.? It is of course sponsored by Treadleon, but even if you aren't a member there is OK to come.
?What is your hand crank? I like the hand machines. Most of mine are retro fit with the reproduction cranks but do have several originals. I am particularlly proud of two W&W hand cranks, a #9 & a D-9.
Miller/TN

Libby Barnett

#3305

Oh machines! So admittedly I love all sewing machines. I love the way sewing machines are such a tangible representation of technology and human ingenuity. My people powered machines are two Singer treadle, a Damascus treadle, an 1872 W&G, and this 1866(?) W&W No.3 with no needle. My hand Crank is a 1932 (a mere child age wise,) Singer model 66 in pristine condition. It has a wood extension with the case. For electrics I have the NECCHI Supernova, the only machine to make it to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Then I have Singers 221 black, 221 white, 301, 431G, and a beloved 401G that I am anxiously waiting to find a treadle wheel for. I am wanting to add at least 1 nice vibrating shuttle to my collection but she has yet to reveal herself to me.

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 8:17 PM Libby Barnett <Libbybarnett1968@...> wrote:

Ha! I live in Normandy, have a business in Tullahoma, and work an extra job in Winchester! Hi neighbor!? I would love to go to another TOGA! I went to one in Fresno many years ago. Can't wait to meet you all!

On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 8:08 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:
Hi & Welcome Libby;
What part of TN are you from, I'm from down here in Lynchburg. If you can make it come to the TN TOGA this year. It is held in Winchester TN & this years dates are Thur-Sat Aug 9-11.? It is of course sponsored by Treadleon, but even if you aren't a member there is OK to come.
?What is your hand crank? I like the hand machines. Most of mine are retro fit with the reproduction cranks but do have several originals. I am particularlly proud of two W&W hand cranks, a #9 & a D-9.
Miller/TN

#3309

Hi Libby, I am Skipper the host of the Tenn Toga this year. We would love for you to come and meet you. If you go to to Tenn Toga yahoo group or to the Tenn Toga face book there is a file of what will take place at the the Toga. It will have the address of the Knights of Columbus hall in Winchester. If you would like send me your email and I will send you the info. Miller is a great guy with lots of info on your W&W.

Libby Barnett

#3310

Hi Glenn! Miller is a gem for sure. Honestly everyone I have associated with connected to Treadleon is amazing! My address is Libbybarnett1968@.... I plan on being there. The TOGA happens before my kids band season gets rolling hard. I fit, alter, and maintain 80 band uniforms between August and beginning of November and I have to fly solo "no one knows how to sew!" I am thankful my kids are old enough that I can participate in some non-kid activities now. Thanks for messaging me! Libby

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On Jun 24, 2018 9:06 AM, "Glenn Cleveland (Skip) via Groups.Io" <skipperhntsvll=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Libby, I am Skipper the host of the Tenn Toga this year. We would love for you to come and meet you. If you go to to Tenn Toga yahoo group or to the Tenn Toga face book there is a file of what will take place at the the Toga. It will have the address of the Knights of Columbus hall in Winchester. If you would like send me your email and I will send you the info. Miller is a great guy with lots of info on your W&W.

Libby Barnett

#3311

I have been wearing out my thumbs and can't seem to get to the TENN TOGA groups. I suppose I should be embarraced that I am so tech"no!" But this is a people powered kinda group. Would appreciate any help I can get.

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On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 9:31 AM Libby Barnett <Libbybarnett1968@...> wrote:

Hi Glenn! Miller is a gem for sure. Honestly everyone I have associated with connected to Treadleon is amazing! My address is Libbybarnett1968@.... I plan on being there. The TOGA happens before my kids band season gets rolling hard. I fit, alter, and maintain 80 band uniforms between August and beginning of November and I have to fly solo "no one knows how to sew!" I am thankful my kids are old enough that I can participate in some non-kid activities now. Thanks for messaging me! Libby

On Jun 24, 2018 9:06 AM, "Glenn Cleveland (Skip) via Groups.Io" <skipperhntsvll=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Libby, I am Skipper the host of the Tenn Toga this year. We would love for you to come and meet you. If you go to to Tenn Toga yahoo group or to the Tenn Toga face book there is a file of what will take place at the the Toga. It will have the address of the Knights of Columbus hall in Winchester. If you would like send me your email and I will send you the info. Miller is a great guy with lots of info on your W&W.

#3312

Hi Libby;
The W&W serial number should fall between 220,319 & 270,450 if it is an 1866. There is of course no factory records for these machines. There is a SN chart for them up through 1876 which was I believe worked up by Grace Rogers Cooper. Ms Cooper was a former curator for the Smithsonian & she worked the numbers from licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination. She had to do some estimating on the number built prior to the Combination but she used known warranty & Bill of Sales etc to smooth out the numbers. They appear to be very close.

You are gathering a good collection there. I too have a 401G I would like to find a treadle handwheel for. An electric I like real well is a Free/Westinghouse model CE with the Rotoscilla movement. It is sort of a combination of a vibrating shuttle with a rotary drive. The quietest & smoothest VS machine I have ever had the privilege of operating. They also made these as the #5 & model C for treadles. The Free/Westinghouse has a built on motor & is not readily converted to either a treadle or hand crank. I do feel very fortunate in having several original hand crank machines, including a #9 & a D-9 W&W.

Look forward to seeing you at TN TOGA
Miller/TN

Libby Barnett

#3313

Well my estimate of her age was way off. Sereal number 500987. If my husband could get his calipers on one of those parts for the 401g he could machine one for me. I guess they are few and far between.?

Those W&W models you have are beauties. I have never gotten to run one....maybe someday. Are they easy sewers?

I am going to look for the machine you mentioned. She sounds very interesting. At this point I am not looking to add any more electrics to my bunch tho. I actually think that hand cranks are what's in my future. I am fast running out of room!?

Gonna go think on my TOBE blocks now. Regards, Libby

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On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 5:39 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:

Hi Libby;
The W&W serial number should fall between 220,319 & 270,450 if it is an 1866. There is of course no factory records for these machines. There is a SN chart for them up through 1876 which was I believe worked up by Grace Rogers Cooper. Ms Cooper was a former curator for the Smithsonian & she worked the numbers from licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination. She had to do some estimating on the number built prior to the Combination but she used known warranty & Bill of Sales etc to smooth out the numbers. They appear to be very close.

You are gathering a good collection there. I too have a 401G I would like to find a treadle handwheel for. An electric I like real well is a Free/Westinghouse model CE with the Rotoscilla movement. It is sort of a combination of a vibrating shuttle with a rotary drive. The quietest & smoothest VS machine I have ever had the privilege of operating. They also made these as the #5 & model C for treadles. The Free/Westinghouse has a built on motor & is not readily converted to either a treadle or hand crank. I do feel very fortunate in having several original hand crank machines, including a #9 & a D-9 W&W.

Look forward to seeing you at TN TOGA
Miller/TN

Libby Barnett

#3314

So my hubby and I have been mulling over machining a treadle part for the 401g. Someone mentioned that the original was made of steel and using aluminum was too light and inefficient. My husband mentioned brass as it is the same weight as steel. Any thoughts?

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On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 5:39 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:

Hi Libby;
The W&W serial number should fall between 220,319 & 270,450 if it is an 1866. There is of course no factory records for these machines. There is a SN chart for them up through 1876 which was I believe worked up by Grace Rogers Cooper. Ms Cooper was a former curator for the Smithsonian & she worked the numbers from licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination. She had to do some estimating on the number built prior to the Combination but she used known warranty & Bill of Sales etc to smooth out the numbers. They appear to be very close.

You are gathering a good collection there. I too have a 401G I would like to find a treadle handwheel for. An electric I like real well is a Free/Westinghouse model CE with the Rotoscilla movement. It is sort of a combination of a vibrating shuttle with a rotary drive. The quietest & smoothest VS machine I have ever had the privilege of operating. They also made these as the #5 & model C for treadles. The Free/Westinghouse has a built on motor & is not readily converted to either a treadle or hand crank. I do feel very fortunate in having several original hand crank machines, including a #9 & a D-9 W&W.

Look forward to seeing you at TN TOGA
Miller/TN

#3315

Hi Libby;
The serial number on that W&W #3 should date it to 1870. My #3 in a half case treadle is also an 1870 model, though a slightly lower number at 487,972.

As to the handwheel for the 401G I see no reason that brass would not work. Of course a chunk of brass that size will be considerably more expensive than will steel.
Miller/TN

Libby Barnett

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On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 10:04 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:

Hi Libby;
The serial number on that W&W #3 should date it to 1870. My #3 in a half case treadle is also an 1870 model, though a slightly lower number at 487,972.

As to the handwheel for the 401G I see no reason that brass would not work. Of course a chunk of brass that size will be considerably more expensive than will steel.
Miller/TN

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