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Cleaning machine

 

Recently acquired my machine and am trying to find it under all the dirt. ?Tried to remove the needle and I can not get it out. ?Any help with cleaning this poor child would be appreciated. ?I¡¯m new here and am struggling with my machine. ?Number on plate and machine is 72425.
 

Hi Debbie;

With that serial number, this could be an early curved needle machine, a #8 or a #9, but not a D-9. It really won't make that much difference though as to getting the needle out. Likely that old needle has been ih the machine a long time & is well stuck, possibly even some rust. I would first entirely remove the entire clamp screw & squirt it with your favorite penetrating oil. You want to be very careful & not break the needle off flush with the needlebar leaving nothing to grasp. If you have or can get a small brass or copper rod you might tap on the shank portion lightly to set up a bit of vibration which will help the penetrant do its job. Do this for 2-3 days. Then use something you can grip the exposed shank with & twist, without exerting sideways pressure. Once that needle moves a bit, it will break the bond & should come right out.? Just go slow & careful & TRY Hard Not to break that needle flush. The blade itself is not of much importance but you need the exposed portion of the shank to work with.

Miller/TN
 

The needle came out, thanks for your advice. ?Want to take the bobbin winder apart for cleaning. ?Any suggestion? ?
The bobbin area also needs work. ?I¡¯m just concerned about what I can and can¡¯t do. ?Are there guides for cleaning and taking them apart somewhere? ?And why are bobbins and needles so hard to find?
I realize you must be shaking your heads because I have so many questions but I¡¯m so new to all of this. ?I see all the pictures of your beautiful machines and wonder, did you find them like that or did you fix repair and restore them yourselves. ?
Im trying to load pictures of my machine when I received it and then hoped to add to it as I worked on her.
Im pretty sure she is a 9 but am clueless to a date. ?I was thinking late 1890-1907.
 
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The needles & bobbins just are not a standard size & no longer produced. I use vintage Boye 18 needles, but there is a modern needle that can be substituted, DBx1 if I remember correctly. Miller can confirm or correct me. I think it was 1895 when that model came out, but that might not be right, but Singer bought ought the company in 1905.
I¡¯m fresh out of the hospital after very major surgery & the pain pills make me more forgetful. So I hope I¡¯m not misleading you. I polish my own machines but I am unable to get to them right now to take photos. If the plate to the right of the needle does not say D9 then it¡¯s a 9, provided the plate is original to the machine.
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On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, <Debbiesuew@...> wrote:
The needle came out, thanks for your advice.? Want to take the bobbin winder apart for cleaning.? Any suggestion? ?
The bobbin area also needs work.? I¡¯m just concerned about what I can and can¡¯t do.? Are there guides for cleaning and taking them apart somewhere?? And why are bobbins and needles so hard to find?
I realize you must be shaking your heads because I have so many questions but I¡¯m so new to all of this.? I see all the pictures of your beautiful machines and wonder, did you find them like that or did you fix repair and restore them yourselves. ?
Im trying to load pictures of my machine when I received it and then hoped to add to it as I worked on her.
Im pretty sure she is a 9 but am clueless to a date.? I was thinking late 1890-1907.

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The winder is an easy fix. There¡¯s the lever, a screw & a spring. Just remove the screw to remove them.
 

Hi Debbie;
The #9 machine was made from 1887 - 1895. Th3 D-9 replaced it in 1895, but all D-9s have 7 digit serial numbers, which start around 2,200,000 & go up to just short of 3,000,000. Most #9 machines will have a last patent date on the right slide plate of March 25, '90. With that low SN, your machine "may" be pre-1890 & have only earlier patent dates. I have done nothing to my machines other than clean them. I have had pretty good luck using a soft micro-fiber cloth wet with sewing machine oil. Go softly over any remaining decals as they are quite fragile. For whatever reason? W&W decals seem to be particularly notorious for having bad decals.

The proper needle for the #9 is a 126x1 (Singer designation) or a Boye #27.? This is a round shank needle, The Boye #18 is the same needle with a flat on the shank to make it self- setting. Some #9 machines will clamp the needle with flat but some won't. I have 3 #9s and of these only one will clamp the needle with a flat. I do use the DBx1 needle in my #9s. This is a round shank needle but is 5mm (0.197") shorter than the original. It has to have the eye aligned & then be pulled down in the clamp around 3/16" & then will just sew up a storm.

I was fortunate to get with my machines enough bobbins I can get by. Would like a few more but they are getting a lot higher priced any more. They are a round bobbin having a bagel shape. The #9 & the D-9 use similar bobbins of the same diameter, but the D-9 bobbin is a bit thicker giving it more thread capacity. They can be told apart as the #9 bobbin has completely smooth sides while the D-9 one has a single hole in each side down near the hub.

I put up pictures of all the bobbins & cases for all the W&W family machines in our photo section here;

  1. [email protected]
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  2. ?Photo Albums
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  3. ?W&W Bobbins & Cases

Also in the files section I have a write-up on these bobbins giving dimensions here;


And one on the needles here;

I hope this is of help to you, but do feel free to ask any questions you may have, that is what we are here for.

Miller/TN





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Something went awry on that post, don't know what happened. I will try to give the links again, but if they don't work the bobbin photos are found on page 5 of the photo section. The needle write-up is near the end of the files section.

Needles;


Bobbins;


See if these work. Don't know why I kept getting the Log-In message as I Was/Am logged in on both sites.
Miller/TN

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