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Robb Ransom III
 

Thanks for having me - I just acquired a W&W W9 D-9 head & irons yesterday with the SN 3,089,214.
Any way to date it?
The Slide Plate doesnt list Singer or Wheeler & Wilson on it.

I live in Phoenix, Az.?

I have been collecting & restoring VSM's for a bit over 2 yrs now.......my personal collection is at 138 machines so far.? This is the first W&W!

I will post some pics as the FB group thinks the decals are fantastic!

Thanks again,

Robb?
 

Robb;
My personal belief is that all W&W D-9's? having a serial number starting with a 3 were in fact built under Singer ownership between 1905 & about 1908, although I have not been able to absolutely prove this. These machines were listed in Singer/Bridgeport catalogs as a W&W 9W1. Around 1908 the decals were changed to read Singer & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets. These machines were cataloged as a Singer 9W7.

The right slide plate with its screw attachment, single patent date & the hole with "Oil Here" all point t manufacture after the Singer buy out in 1905.? Also look for any part numbers on the machine, tese are sometimes seen on the needle plate & also underneath in the bobbin/hook area. The are normally 6 digit numbers as either 202,xxx or 208,xxx. All W&W machines I ave seen made prior to the Singer purchase had the right slide plate which slid out & oiling was done underneath the plate after it's removal. I have never seen a part number on a W&W built machine, these part numbers are Singer numbers.
Miller/TN


On Monday, March 5, 2018 2:22 PM, Robb Ransom III via Groups.Io <robbtheshirtless@...> wrote:


Thanks for having me - I just acquired a W&W W9 D-9 head & irons yesterday with the SN 3,089,214.
Any way to date it?
The Slide Plate doesnt list Singer or Wheeler & Wilson on it.

I live in Phoenix, Az.?

I have been collecting & restoring VSM's for a bit over 2 yrs now.......my personal collection is at 138 machines so far.? This is the first W&W!

I will post some pics as the FB group thinks the decals are fantastic!

Thanks again,

Robb?


 

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Sorry to horn in, but my D-9 also has a serial number that starts with a three--3082422. The only number I see on the needle plate other than the numbers directly beneath the lines is a 9-2. But you're saying that would be a six digit number if it was a Singer part number?


Angela



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Miller Fulks <mmf38@...>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 2:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Welcome
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Robb;
My personal belief is that all W&W D-9's? having a serial number starting with a 3 were in fact built under Singer ownership between 1905 & about 1908, although I have not been able to absolutely prove this. These machines were listed in Singer/Bridgeport catalogs as a W&W 9W1. Around 1908 the decals were changed to read Singer & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets. These machines were cataloged as a Singer 9W7.

The right slide plate with its screw attachment, single patent date & the hole with "Oil Here" all point t manufacture after the Singer buy out in 1905.? Also look for any part numbers on the machine, tese are sometimes seen on the needle plate & also underneath in the bobbin/hook area. The are normally 6 digit numbers as either 202,xxx or 208,xxx. All W&W machines I ave seen made prior to the Singer purchase had the right slide plate which slid out & oiling was done underneath the plate after it's removal. I have never seen a part number on a W&W built machine, these part numbers are Singer numbers.
Miller/TN


On Monday, March 5, 2018 2:22 PM, Robb Ransom III via Groups.Io <robbtheshirtless@...> wrote:


Thanks for having me - I just acquired a W&W W9 D-9 head & irons yesterday with the SN 3,089,214.
Any way to date it?
The Slide Plate doesnt list Singer or Wheeler & Wilson on it.

I live in Phoenix, Az.?

I have been collecting & restoring VSM's for a bit over 2 yrs now.......my personal collection is at 138 machines so far.? This is the first W&W!

I will post some pics as the FB group thinks the decals are fantastic!

Thanks again,

Robb?


Robb Ransom III
 

Thanks for the information - I just re-checked the part #'s listed all over the machine and they show typical singer numbers.? On the needle plate it says 202097 on the Bobbin thread holder it says: 202069,? on the thread tensioner on the front it says 20208, on the thread cutter it says: 202095,? the bobbin shuttle says 202063, outer ring that holds the bobbin shuttle says 202054 - so this machine may say Wheeler & Wilson - but its Singer!

Im looking forward to more homework - I love research!

Robb

On Monday, March 5, 2018, 2:29:29 PM MST, Angela <angelaspencer5@...> wrote:


Sorry to horn in, but my D-9 also has a serial number that starts with a three--3082422. The only number I see on the needle plate other than the numbers directly beneath the lines is a 9-2. But you're saying that would be a six digit number if it was a Singer part number?


Angela



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Miller Fulks <mmf38@...>
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 2:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Welcome
?
Robb;
My personal belief is that all W&W D-9's? having a serial number starting with a 3 were in fact built under Singer ownership between 1905 & about 1908, although I have not been able to absolutely prove this. These machines were listed in Singer/Bridgeport catalogs as a W&W 9W1. Around 1908 the decals were changed to read Singer & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets. These machines were cataloged as a Singer 9W7.

The right slide plate with its screw attachment, single patent date & the hole with "Oil Here" all point t manufacture after the Singer buy out in 1905.? Also look for any part numbers on the machine, tese are sometimes seen on the needle plate & also underneath in the bobbin/hook area. The are normally 6 digit numbers as either 202,xxx or 208,xxx. All W&W machines I ave seen made prior to the Singer purchase had the right slide plate which slid out & oiling was done underneath the plate after it's removal. I have never seen a part number on a W&W built machine, these part numbers are Singer numbers.
Miller/TN


On Monday, March 5, 2018 2:22 PM, Robb Ransom III via Groups.Io <robbtheshirtless@...> wrote:


Thanks for having me - I just acquired a W&W W9 D-9 head & irons yesterday with the SN 3,089,214.
Any way to date it?
The Slide Plate doesnt list Singer or Wheeler & Wilson on it.

I live in Phoenix, Az.?

I have been collecting & restoring VSM's for a bit over 2 yrs now.......my personal collection is at 138 machines so far.? This is the first W&W!

I will post some pics as the FB group thinks the decals are fantastic!

Thanks again,

Robb?


 

Sorry to be so long getting back on this. Remember when Singer took possession of W&W there would have been many machine in production, from some just starting to others near completion. There would be little doubt in my mind that some number were in fact completed & awaiting shipment. No doubt there would have been some number with serial numbers already applied & others with some parts already completed. Thus the "Part Numbers"? should not be considered universally applied. I am however until proved otherwise thoroughly convinced that any SN starting with a 3 was built under Singer ownership.
Miller/TN
Robb Ransom III
 

wouldnt surprise me - as I am discovering - when taking apart to clean everything extensively - all singer part numbers - all internal parts.? Just nothing on the outside.? - I think its kinda cool!

Ty for your info

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, 9:10:17 PM MST, Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote:


Sorry to be so long getting back on this. Remember when Singer took possession of W&W there would have been many machine in production, from some just starting to others near completion. There would be little doubt in my mind that some number were in fact completed & awaiting shipment. No doubt there would have been some number with serial numbers already applied & others with some parts already completed. Thus the "Part Numbers"? should not be considered universally applied. I am however until proved otherwise thoroughly convinced that any SN starting with a 3 was built under Singer ownership.
Miller/TN
 

Robb;
No problem at all, that's what we are here for. Feel absolutely free to ask any questions you may have. This should be a great machine, it is in affect a W&W D-9 made under Singer ownership. I have? neither seen nor heard that quality declined under Singer ownership. I highly suspect, though have no knowledge on it, that the same people were still doing the work on building them.

Don't recall if you had joined us when I posted this link to a Smithsonian 1908 Singer/Bridgeport catalog or not. It lists both the 9W1 & 9W7. Handwritten & paste-overs are from 1911.? ?Any way here is the link, quite interesting catalog;

?

Miller/TN
 

Miller, Thanks for this.



From: Miller Fulks <mmf38@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Welcome

Robb;
No problem at all, that's what we are here for. Feel absolutely free to ask any questions you may have. This should be a great machine, it is in affect a W&W D-9 made under Singer ownership. I have? neither seen nor heard that quality declined under Singer ownership. I highly suspect, though have no knowledge on it, that the same people were still doing the work on building them.

Don't recall if you had joined us when I posted this link to a Smithsonian 1908 Singer/Bridgeport catalog or not. It lists both the 9W1 & 9W7. Handwritten & paste-overs are from 1911.? ?Any way here is the link, quite interesting catalog;

?

Miller/TN

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