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Re: New member.
Hello, my name is Elda and own both a WW9 "transition from 8" (someone told me it was called? that because it has a 9 but it uses the bobbin system just like the WW8) and a WW D9. I am interested in some replacement parts? I? am wo dering if you have? been able to to see my message sent a little while ago. Thanks.
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Re: New member.
Hi, I'm replying? to Michael Taylor. I'm Cheryl Emrick. I think I'm the one who sold you the 4 bobbins for your D9, from CT. I bought the W&W D9 for the cabinet. I have the sewing machine but seemed way beyond repair. Very rusted. I am selling parts off of it. Or if someone wants it for parts.? Hope you liked the bobbins. Cheryl On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 1:54 PM Michael Taylor via Groups.Io <miketaylor1253=[email protected]> wrote: Thanks! I also need some information on the 9W-7. The serial # is W25543. This machine was listed for some time and I ignored it because of W serial number, assuming that is was an early donut bobbin machine. But after my sister brought down her D9 and I started reviving it, I decided to take a second look at the Singer and noticed the bobbin case was different. After a few parts searches I was able to determine it has the Singer bobbin case, so I gambled on it for $40. It turned out great. |
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Re: New member.
Thanks! I also need some information on the 9W-7. The serial # is W25543. This machine was listed for some time and I ignored it because of W serial number, assuming that is was an early donut bobbin machine. But after my sister brought down her D9 and I started reviving it, I decided to take a second look at the Singer and noticed the bobbin case was different. After a few parts searches I was able to determine it has the Singer bobbin case, so I gambled on it for $40. It turned out great.
But I¡¯m still wondering about the W and relatively low (5 digit) serial #. Is it a conversion from an early donut model or did it come from the factory with the singer bobbin case? |
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Re: New member.
Hi Mike; The best I have been able to determine is that all W&W D-9s will have a 7-digit serial number which will be between 2,200,000 & 3,000,000. If the 7-digit number begins with a 3 it will have been built by Singer. Some Singer built 9W machines have a number of less than 7-digits but also have a W in the number. There are no serial number records available for these machines. A general "Rule of Thumb" is to subtract 2,200,000 from the SN?of a W&W D-9 (Doesn't apply to Singer built ones). Divide the result by 75,000 & then add that answer to 1895. This should give you the year it was made within a range of ¡À 1 year.? You can safely tell your Sister she has a W&W D-9 made within ¡À one year of 1900. It is not a Singer 9W1.? Miller/TN |
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Re: New member.
Hi Mike; Welcome to the group. The D-9 & 9W7 are both excellent?machines. The D-9s were made from 1895 through 1905. After Singer bought W&W they first made the 9W1 which still wore W&W decals & fit W&W cabinets. Around 1909 they brought out the 9W7 which had Singer decals & fit Singer cabinets. At first these retained the D-9 bagel bobbin, but was later changed to the flat sided bobbin?which is dimensionally compatible with the 221 bobbin.? Over the years I have managed to acquire 3 D-9s, a hand crank, a 5 drawer drophead treadle & an old electric conversion. I have one 9W7 which likewise uses the flat sided bobbin. There are however some aspects of the earlier #9 machines which I like better than the D-9. Incidentally, my Wife's maiden name was Taylor. She was born in Mt Vernon IL & mostly grew up in a small town named Sesser IL. It is located about 7 miles off I-57 across Rend Lake. When she was growing?up there, neither I-57 nor Rend Lake existed.? Miller/TN |
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New member.
Hi. I¡¯m Mike. I¡¯ve just got finished reviving a D9 my sister brought down from her last visit. I like it so much that I bought a cheap ($40) Singer 9W-7 on eBay that fits one of my singer cabinets and uses Singer 221 bobbins. It¡¯s a fine machine but it¡¯s no D9.
I¡¯ve managed to acquire 4 bobbins for the D9 and substitute needles for it (and my singer 9W-7). If I could just locate a real bobbin cover slide plate for the D9, instead of the homemade one it now has, it¡¯ll be ready for my sister to pick up on her next visit. She acquired the D9 and cabinet from a coworker who was about to throw it away! She volunteered to take the machine (knowing nothing about it) and uses it for a lamp stand. When she finally told me about it I told her that the machine has a great reputation and I would like to try to get it sewing again. I managed to get it situated on a singer VS-2 cabinet after I got it freed up. Someday I¡¯ll find a good deal on one for myself. Anyway, that the extent of my current adventures with the Wheeler and Wilson D9. |
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Upper tension issues on Jones Spool
I¡¯ve acquired a second Jones Spool, an early one with the same tension pulley system as the W & W 9. ?The upper tension is tight and proving difficult to adjust. ?On dismantling both my Spools¡¯ tensions to compare I¡¯ve found I¡¯m missing the metal washer with the crossbar from one of them, but swapping it to the other machine makes no appreciable difference. ?The felt washers are present but probably original - are they best replaced? ?Can I also check whether the washers should be dry? ?On my first Spool, which does adjust rather better, I realised they were completely oil soaked but I¡¯m not sure from the 9 manual whether they should be oiled or not. ?I haven¡¯t found a Spool manual covering the early models with the tension pulley rather than discs.
This Spool came with a couple of attachments and 4 bobbins, which I¡¯ll be able to use in my #9 too. ?I¡¯ll put photos on in case anyone is interested. Gill Churchill? |
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Help! Long story short...
hi all! I¡¯ve been here before, lost my pw (no surprise). I am soooo geographically challenged. I bought a WW model 1 thinking it was an hour away, and of course it¡¯s 5.5 hours away, and my license expired (DH¡¯s too). Anybody up for a road trip from Vienna WV to Baltimore Md?
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Ian in Australia's photos
Finally managed to upload some pics - drag and drop doesn't work, have to double click each pic.
As you can see the No. 1 even with a good clean still shows its "patina" but will sew once I track down a needle and bobbin - now to get stuck into fixing up the cabinet and treadle.? The No. 8 and D-9 both work perfectly |
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Re: New Member in Australia
Hello Ian & Claire and welcome....I am also in Australia actually in Adelaide.
I joined ISMACS back in about 1996-97 or there about's, could be even earlier but the memory is not that good anymore. I may be able to help you with a needle so will write to you off list if that's ok? Not sure about the bobbin but I will check. Lee |
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Hi Debbie; The serial number says it is 1864. At some point in the 1860s the bronze medallion was added to the base plate,? but don't know the exact date for this. Your's doesn't have it. "Most" of the W&W machines built prior to 1867 will have along with the Allen Wilson patents reference to being licensed under E Howe Jr patent of Sept 10, 1846. Your's doesn't have this but I do believe it was built prior to 1867 when the Howe patent expired. From the pictures, it appears the arms were silver plated.? If this is correct this would be a #1. From W&W literature, catalogs etc a #1 had silver-plated parts, a #2 bronze-plated parts & a #3 painted parts.? The only confusion in my mind concerns the #4.? It was stated to be "Larger" & for Heavy Duty use only. These may, or may not, have all been the high bed machines. I normally clean mine, very carefully, using a micro-fiber cloth with sewing machine oil. I have found this works pretty good. Be very careful around any decals. I can't tell for sure on the tension assembly. The tension "Wheel" should be sandwiched between two felt washers. Yours may have had the outer washer replaced with one of larger diameter than the original, so may be in working order. The washer doesn't really need to be that large. Miller/TN |
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New Member in Australia
Hi, my name is Ian and I live near Sydney in Australia. My wife Claire and I have been collecting old sewing machines for nearly 40 years, starting when we were living in the UK (we were some of the original members of ISMACS) and collecting most of our machines there. We have three W&W machines:
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Re: Rare W&W machines
Lee; Thanks for those measurements. Yes, they very closely match my measurements in the inch system so it does appear the larger plate is a time frame situation & not a factor of it being a wide bed machine. There are incidentally 25.4 mm per inch so not hard to convert. As to the one without a number if you remove the cloth plate you may find the numbers stamped on the tops of the posts which hold the plate. They will normally have two numbers per post so you have to be sure & get them in the correct order. Jon & Lee; I cannot guarantee the correctness or incorrectness of either of the W&W SN charts. I only know that of 2 or 3 I have found positive dates on they correspond with Cooper's dates. In this case, her dates are a year earlier the Needlebar's. When you find a bill of sales with a date the machine would not have been made the following year, which is why I have decided to go with Cooper's dates for the W&W machines. These are listed only through 1876 when the combination dissolved, so apply only to curved needle machines. Between 1856 & 1867 it is normal to find on the W&W cloth plate along with the list of 4 A B Wilson patents "Licensed under E Howes patent of Sept 10, 1846". Sometime in the 1860s, the bronze medallion was added to the bed of the machine. 1856 is the correct date for the forming of the Combination, not 1854 as I stated earlier. I have done no research into Davis serial numbers so can make no conclusions to the accuracy, or lack thereof, on Cooper's dates for them.? Miller/TN
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Re: Rare W&W machines
Hi Miller
My reference to the W&W serial numbers was from the Needlebar dating book that they published in 2003, I was part of that group back then. They state the source of the serial numbers was in fact from Grace Rogers Cooper. They may well have used the original figures and then adjusted them to suit what they believed at the time?? However I do not remember that being discussed. You may well be correct as your serial # 60,422 is listed as 1861 in that Needlebar book. I will have to get a copy of Coopers original listings for future references. I have done some measuring of my machines stitch plates.......however I used mm instead of the imperial measurements. I have grown up with metric so don't really understand fractions of imperial. Serial 12445 #1 wide bed in parlor cabinet stitch plate length 171 mm so that would make it equivalent to your 6 3/4" I believe. Serial 824890 #1 wide bed hand crank stitch plate length 160 mm Serial blank #1 wide bed head only stitch plate length 160 mm I had to clean the plate to find the numbers but to my surprise it stated 'No' then nothing.. no numbers at all?????? Serial 174165 #1 wide bed in parlor cabinet stitch plate length 160 mm Serial 263240 #3 narrow bed in half case treadle stitch plate length 160 mm So from these serial numbers, body types and length of stitch plates I would say it was a time frame change and not a feature only for the wide bed machines. Now you have highlighted the serial number discrepancies (thank you) I will have to change all of them to a year earlier. So my 12445 is not 1859 but 1858?? correct? Thank Miller this has been enlightening. Lee |
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