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Re: Serial Number and needles
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks for the info ¨C we thought it was a D9. ? ? From: [email protected]
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L Vanderburg
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Serial Number and needles ? An 1892 patent plate makes it a D-9. D9 machines were patented in 1892 when the bobbin case area was improved.? And they started making them around 1895.? ? On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 1:35 PM Susan Willard <lswillard@...> wrote:
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Re: Serial Number and needles
William L Vanderburg
An 1892 patent plate makes it a D-9. D9 machines were patented in 1892 when the bobbin case area was improved.? And they started making them around 1895.? On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 1:35 PM Susan Willard <lswillard@...> wrote: Just recently joined the group while trying to help an Amish family identify their machine and obtain parts.? The serial number is 2791561 with patent dates of 1888, 1890 and? 1892.? Most the decals are worn off but we can see where a large 9 used to be on the machine.? The owners need a bobbin cover plate and needles.? From what I've looked up the substitute 127 x 1 needles should work.?? Anyone have any other information or recommendations?? Thanks. |
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Serial Number and needles
Just recently joined the group while trying to help an Amish family identify their machine and obtain parts.? The serial number is 2791561 with patent dates of 1888, 1890 and? 1892.? Most the decals are worn off but we can see where a large 9 used to be on the machine.? The owners need a bobbin cover plate and needles.? From what I've looked up the substitute 127 x 1 needles should work.?? Anyone have any other information or recommendations?? Thanks.
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Re: Bobbins
Hi Kelly; Yes, I would like to add in any bobbins I can get dimensions on. Anyone else who has some bobbins of a different size for a known machine please send the dimensions to me & I will add them in as well. Miller/TN
On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 12:10:30 PM CDT, Kelly Pakes <kndpakes@...> wrote:
I have a Wheeler & Wilson #6. I could measure the bobbins if you want that info for your database. Kelly in PA |
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Re: Bobbins
Gil; When we first started this group I wrote a file on W&W bobbins. It is found on page two of the files section. I only measured a few bobbins & then sorta took an average to even figures.? For late #8 & #9 bobbins, without the hole, I listed 22 mm (.866") diameter & 7.06 mm (.278") thick. For the D-9/Singer 9W bagel bobbin with the single hole, I listed 22 mm (.866") diameter & 7.75 mm (.305" thick. The 1 to 1.2 mm larger diameter would I believe prevent them from functioning in any of these machines. I have never tried one of the thinner #9 bobbins in a D-9, but do know a lady who ran the thicker D-9 bobbin in a late #8 machine (which used the same bobbin as a #9) by backing off the holder to give it the needed thread clearance. This should also work on a #9 as well. Unfortunately, I do not know what the larger diameter bobbin is for. It may well be for an industrial model of W&W? machine. I do not have bobbin dimensions for them. Miller/TN |
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Bobbins
I bought a large lot of bobbins which included 10 bagels. ?I had hoped they might fit my #9, as I only have one bobbin, but they are about a millimetre too large in diameter for my bobbin case. ?I¡¯ve looked in files to see if I can match up the dimensions to another machine but they don¡¯t seem to match. ?I¡¯ve a couple with holes at 23mm x 7.2mm and several without holes which are nearer to 23.2mm x 7mm (though the vernier shows some variation). ?Can anyone help to ID what machine these would go to so I can re-home them? ?I¡¯ll put a couple of photos on showing the bobb9nsand my #9 original for comparison.
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Re: Tension parts
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThanks for the information.? My husband put the machine back together and got it sewing.? We had a washer left over that appeared to be something added and no place it was needed.? The machine looked like it might have been through a fire or exposed to some other extreme heat but a young girl will be using it to learn on. ? From:
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Fulks ? There are some parts schematics listed on page 1 our photo albums section. .005 will be the one which shows the #9.? They do not show any order of assembly, only the parts. On the tension, the tension wheel has a small felt washer on either side of it. To the front of the felt washer is a steel washer with a cross piece which will fit in the slot in the tension bolt. The large end of the conical shaped coil spring will set against the washer with the adjusting nut then being turned on to seat against the small end. There should be (unless it is a Very early #9) a small pin through the bolt. When the presser foot is lifted this pin pushes on the crosspiece of the steel washer to release the tension for easier removal of the material. Do note that the W&W does not use separate tension discs, but a one-piece "Wheel". In threading it is necessary to take a complete turn around this wheel or you will have no tension.? ? It has been a while since I have had a thread controller apart. They are not a lot of trouble to do, but not sure I remember enough to describe how to do it, step by step. ? Incidentally, the parts schematics were done by a concern known as the Excelsior Supply Company of Chicago. They show the #9 as being "Formerly the D-9". I have to date found no reference to W&W ever calling the #9 a D-9. W&W did begin making a machine which they labeled as a D-9 in 1905 which replaced the earlier #9. The schematic for this machine is #003 with the built-in bobbin case shown as parts 10 & 11. Although unreadable in the schematic the right cover plate, part 79 is stamped D-9 on these machines. To put them in their actual position on the machine plates 78, 80 & 89 need to be flipped end for end as a group. They are in the right order, but pictured upside down as they appear on the machine when sitting in front of it. ? Miller/TN? ? ? ? |
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Re: Tension parts
There are some parts schematics listed on page 1 our photo albums section. .005 will be the one which shows the #9.? They do not show any order of assembly, only the parts. On the tension, the tension wheel has a small felt washer on either side of it. To the front of the felt washer is a steel washer with a cross piece which will fit in the slot in the tension bolt. The large end of the conical shaped coil spring will set against the washer with the adjusting nut then being turned on to seat against the small end. There should be (unless it is a Very early #9) a small pin through the bolt. When the presser foot is lifted this pin pushes on the crosspiece of the steel washer to release the tension for easier removal of the material. Do note that the W&W does not use separate tension discs, but a one-piece "Wheel". In threading it is necessary to take a complete turn around this wheel or you will have no tension.? It has been a while since I have had a thread controller apart. They are not a lot of trouble to do, but not sure I remember enough to describe how to do it, step by step. Incidentally, the parts schematics were done by a concern known as the Excelsior Supply Company of Chicago. They show the #9 as being "Formerly the D-9". I have to date found no reference to W&W ever calling the #9 a D-9. W&W did begin making a machine which they labeled as a D-9 in 1905 which replaced the earlier #9. The schematic for this machine is #003 with the built-in bobbin case shown as parts 10 & 11. Although unreadable in the schematic the right cover plate, part 79 is stamped D-9 on these machines. To put them in their actual position on the machine plates 78, 80 & 89 need to be flipped end for end as a group. They are in the right order, but pictured upside down as they appear on the machine when sitting in front of it. Miller/TN? |
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Tension parts
Hello and thanks for letting us join this group.? We are currently helping an Amish lady get her Wheeler and Wilson #9 working.? Someone took the upper tension unit and lower thread controller roller?unit apart previously.? Can anyone direct me to photos of the parts in both of these areas?? Thanks.
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Wheeler and Wilson D9
The local Bernina dealer in Oklahoma City offered a Wheeler and Wilson D9 in a treadle base. I bought it.
This is the first Wheeler and Wilson I have owned. I am anxious to get it up and running. I live on a 40 acre tick and chigger ranch (with a healthy sprinkling of copperheads) NNE of Oklahoma City. I am retired - and drive a school bus in an attempt to diminish my time in purgatory. I collect mostly Singer, White, and NECCHI sewing machines. RileyG |
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Re: Wheeler & Wilson Treadle Sewing Machine
Hi Mike I looked at your pictures, beautiful cabinet. Yes, this is a #9, but not the earliest one. Here is a link to pictures I put up in our photo section of the various bobbins & cases for the W&W models. Actually, bobbins #3 & #4 are identical & is the bobbin you need. You need the #3 case with locating finger. In your pictures, I can see the relief in the top of the bobbin holder the finger fits in. Earlier #9 machines did not have this relief & required a case without the locating finger, as case #2.? There is no ready source for these parts that I am aware of. They come up on the auction sites along, usually at quite high prices. Sometimes they will be found in attachment sets. You have a very nice machine there & especially with the family ties, it would be worth a bit of investment to get it going. Miller/TN |
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Wheeler & Wilson Treadle Sewing Machine
Hello! I have just come across my grandmas old Wheeler & Wilson treadle sewing machine. I took it home to clean it up and got most of the parts running and working! It is in pretty good condition considering it sat in her basement for many years. My only problem is that the bobbin and bobbin case are missing from it. I would like to eventually get it in full working condition. I was wondering if anyone knew exactly what type of bobbin it needed and where I could find one. I have compared my No. 9 machine to others and mine looks just slightly different which makes me think that it is an older version of the model 9. The bobbins I have found for other (possibly newer) No. 9's do not appear to fit into my machine and do not have the "faceplate" that my machine has. I have made an album called "No. 9 Treadle (Missing bobbin)" with pictures of my machine and where the bobbin would go. Any help would be greatly appreciated!?
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Re: W&W-Singer foot converter
i have looked into the 3d printer idea. one must first create a file that tells the printer what to print. a simple file costs $300 to $400 to make.
i could learn to do that but am already overwhelmed with things that i know how to do and are demanding attention... judy in so cal ____________________________________________________________ Drink This Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy Diet Insider |
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Re: W&W-Singer foot converter
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI would be interested in purchasing one if someone is able to 3D print or make an adapter in some other way.? On Jun 16, 2019, at 11:45 AM, barbsoumas via Groups.Io <barbsoumas@...> wrote:
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Re: W&W-Singer foot converter
I know this is an old thread...but.. I saw the youtube video using the converter to free motion quilt too. ? I'd like to know if it would be possible (in these days of new technology)? to have one made on one of those "3 D" printers?? They make lots of different foot adaptors? out of plastic these days... Maybe someone who has one has already thought of this?
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Re: Inherited a D9 W&W #9 #9
#introduction
Yes, it would be pre-1900. Actually, Singer bought W&W in 1905 so any made later than that are in reality Singer 9W machines. The machines were made until about 1909 as W&W D-9 machines but will normally have a seven-digit SN beginning with a 3 rather than 2 as did those made by W&W. Some may also have a SN from a different series with fewer digits but a W in the number.? The "Formula" that Mike cited is about as close as we can come at present. Miller/TN |
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Re: Inherited a D9 W&W #9 #9
#introduction
Hello, ? Miller, owner of the group knows allot more than me but real quick....Singer bought out the Bridgeport CT plant in 1905 and the W&W company.? All the "W" industrials were made there until, I read, the Singer plant there closed in 1964.? ?Under W&W the plant grew to about 7 acres but under Singer it was eventually expanded to 15 acres.? The entire town revolved around it in some ways as I've read about the dances for the employees it hosted where many obviously met their wife/husband and how generations of workers had worked there for over a century of operation.? Some of the most interesting articles were local newspaper articles I've found on the internet.? Here is a historical link: ? There is a formula for figuring out the dates in one of the threads.? From that formula it is pre-1900.? This is all the realm of expertise for Miller not me so I will just paste the formula here: To narrow it down a bit take its SN & subtract 2,200,000 from it. Divide the result by 75,000. Add the result to 1895 & you should be "Close", but not necessarily exact, to when it was made." Best regards,? Mike |
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