Re: Nos. 1-4 Glass Presser Feet
There were both offset & centered. My 1860 #1 is offset.? To the best of my memory an 1872 #3 is centered. The needle itself did not change, there was only the one needle offered for all the curved needle machines. Id did of course come in various sizes & likely some different point configurations, but they all had the same radius to the curve & were interchangeable on any of the machines.?
I have not really checked to see just what change was made to ring the needle hole to the center, perhaps it was all in the throat/needle plate. Miller/TN
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:47 PM, William L Vanderburg <Army30th@...> wrote:
I am about to make up a set of CAD drawings for the glass presser foot of my no.3.? I notice that the needle hole in it is offset, i.e., it does not lie on the lateral center line of the insert. Rather, it is closer to the far edge. Yet I see in some images of other nos.1-3 that the needle hole appears to be centered.? Am I correct on this?? Did the location of the needle hole, and therefore I presume the needle itself, change over time?? Do we have any information as to when that change took place?? Thanks for any help.
Carl
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Re: Nos. 1-4 Glass Presser Feet
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I am about to make up a set of CAD drawings for the glass presser foot of my no.3.? I notice that the needle hole in it is offset, i.e., it does not lie on the lateral center line of the insert. Rather, it is closer to the far edge. Yet I see in some images of other nos.1-3 that the needle hole appears to be centered.? Am I correct on this?? Did the location of the needle hole, and therefore I presume the needle itself, change over time?? Do we have any information as to when that change took place?? Thanks for any help.
Carl
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Nos. 1-4 Glass Presser Feet
I am about to make up a set of CAD drawings for the glass presser foot of my no.3.? I notice that the needle hole in it is offset, i.e., it does not lie on the lateral center line of the insert. Rather, it is closer to the far edge. Yet I see in some images of other nos.1-3 that the needle hole appears to be centered.? Am I correct on this?? Did the location of the needle hole, and therefore I presume the needle itself, change over time?? Do we have any information as to when that change took place?? Thanks for any help.
Carl
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Any and all enthusiasts are welcome.? This event will be open to the public.?
That is our Yahoo page with info.? There is also a Facebook page, but, I can't help you with it, since I'm not on Facebook.?
Cheryl in Illinois
On February 20, 2018 at 2:33 AM D Page <D7artist@...> wrote:
Pardon me for intruding, but Ava is only an hour from my home. Would another enthusiast be welcome at that TOGA gathering?
Thanks, Dennis
On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Miller Fulks < mmf38@...> wrote:
Welcome Shirley;
The D-9 was introduced in 1895 & is found with 7-digit serial numbers no less than 2,2xx,xxx but less than 3,xxx,xxx. The earlier #9 will have serial numbers having 6 digits or less.? Singer bought W&W in 1905 & continued to assemble the D-9
machines until around 1908 but with serial numbers beginning with a 3. These were cataloged as a? W91. In 1908 they introduced the Singer W97 which was still essentially the D-9 but now wore Singer Decals & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets.
I love all of my W&W machines from the curved needle models through the Singer 9W7, can't really say I have a favorite. One feature I do like on the #8 is its two speed capability, one of very few family treadle machines which have this feature.
Be sure & look over the files section of this forum, much good info is there. Do feel free to ask any specific questions which you might have, that's what we are here for. The D-9 will take a 126x1 needle which has not been made in some time
so you are for the most part limited to old stock. In the Boye tubes #18 is the proper one.
Miller/TN
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Any and all enthusiasts are welcome.? This event will be open to the public.?
That is our Yahoo page with info.? There is also a Facebook page, but, I can't help you with it, since I'm not on Facebook.?
Cheryl in Illinois
On February 20, 2018 at 2:33 AM D Page <D7artist@...> wrote:
Pardon me for intruding, but Ava is only an hour from my home. Would another enthusiast be welcome at that TOGA gathering?Thanks, Dennis
On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Miller Fulks < mmf38@...> wrote: Welcome Shirley; The D-9 was introduced in 1895 & is found with 7-digit serial numbers no less than 2,2xx,xxx but less than 3,xxx,xxx. The earlier #9 will have serial numbers having 6 digits or less.? Singer bought W&W in 1905 & continued to assemble the D-9 machines until around 1908 but with serial numbers beginning with a 3. These were cataloged as a? W91. In 1908 they introduced the Singer W97 which was still essentially the D-9 but now wore Singer Decals & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets.
I love all of my W&W machines from the curved needle models through the Singer 9W7, can't really say I have a favorite. One feature I do like on the #8 is its two speed capability, one of very few family treadle machines which have this feature.
Be sure & look over the files section of this forum, much good info is there. Do feel free to ask any specific questions which you might have, that's what we are here for. The D-9 will take a 126x1 needle which has not been made in some time so you are for the most part limited to old stock. In the Boye tubes #18 is the proper one. Miller/TN ?
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Pardon me for intruding, but Ava is only an hour from my home. Would another enthusiast be welcome at that TOGA gathering? Thanks, Dennis
On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Miller Fulks < mmf38@...> wrote: Welcome Shirley; The D-9 was introduced in 1895 & is found with 7-digit serial numbers no less than 2,2xx,xxx but less than 3,xxx,xxx. The earlier #9 will have serial numbers having 6 digits or less.? Singer bought W&W in 1905 & continued to assemble the D-9 machines until around 1908 but with serial numbers beginning with a 3. These were cataloged as a? W91. In 1908 they introduced the Singer W97 which was still essentially the D-9 but now wore Singer Decals & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets.
I love all of my W&W machines from the curved needle models through the Singer 9W7, can't really say I have a favorite. One feature I do like on the #8 is its two speed capability, one of very few family treadle machines which have this feature.
Be sure & look over the files section of this forum, much good info is there. Do feel free to ask any specific questions which you might have, that's what we are here for. The D-9 will take a 126x1 needle which has not been made in some time so you are for the most part limited to old stock. In the Boye tubes #18 is the proper one. Miller/TN
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I truly appreciate all the information! We will see if we can arrange schedules to attend.i got my D9 back together and started treadling today! Tweaking adjustments on tension but she feels great and strong!
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On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Miller Fulks < mmf38@...> wrote:
Shirley; A while off yet but our TN/TOGA is held in Winchester TN each year about the first weekend of Aug (Thu-Sat). It is hosted by Diane Lowe (Di) who is a member here as well as TreadleOn, A most Gracious host I might add.?
If you could at all make it we would love to have you. We normally have folks from at least 6 states in attendance.? Lots of nice machines to look at, with some for sale. Normally have some sort of class on sewing & also some type of machine repair.?
Plenty of snacks to munch on, a fun time is had by all. If you have a "Problem" machine feel free to bring it. Myself & a couple of others between us can usually diagnose the problem & get it sewing again. Miller/TN
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Shirley; A while off yet but our TN/TOGA is held in Winchester TN each year about the first weekend of Aug (Thu-Sat). It is hosted by Diane Lowe (Di) who is a member here as well as TreadleOn, A most Gracious host I might add.?
If you could at all make it we would love to have you. We normally have folks from at least 6 states in attendance.? Lots of nice machines to look at, with some for sale. Normally have some sort of class on sewing & also some type of machine repair.?
Plenty of snacks to munch on, a fun time is had by all. If you have a "Problem" machine feel free to bring it. Myself & a couple of others between us can usually diagnose the problem & get it sewing again. Miller/TN
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Re: Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
Hi Liz; All W&W Family machines from the earliest curve needle models through the D-9 have this type of tension control as well as many of their industrial models as well, don't know about all the industrial's.?
Unless it has been replaced by non-original equipment the thread will not pull down between the discs, they are permanently attached together. This wheel/pulley should have a felt disc on either side. This provides the "Braking" necessary to provide the tension. In order for the thread to grip the pulley it is necessary to take that turn around it with the thread.
I have some other brands of machines with a similar tension control, but off hand do not recall which ones. Miller/TN
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Thank you for the invitation! I wish I could be there but we are committed to a wedding that weekend. Please let me know if there is another event, though. I don't mind traveling a ways to attend one.
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On Feb 15, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Cheryl < jncparker4@...> wrote:
Hi Shirley,
There will be a TOGA (Treadle On Gathering & Academy) in Ava, MO June 22-23, 2018.? Lots of vintage machine collectors (mainly treadles and hand cranks, but, some electrics) getting together to discuss, show off, etc, our vintage machines.? Since you are so close, we'd love to have you come.? I'm in Illinois, but, I'll be there.? You can email me privately, and I'll give you more information about the event.? Anyone with vintage machines are welcome.? It will be open to the public, too.?
Sorry to reply to the group, but, I'm out of state, and couldn't find a way to reply privately using my ancient laptop, and haven't learned how to do much with my email on my phone (I'm very tech challenged).?
Cheryl in Illinois (currently in Alaska, waiting for the birth of our first grandbaby)
PS:? I have a lovely, non-working W&W 8
On February 14, 2018 at 6:51 PM Shirley Atkinson wrote:
Thank you for including me! I am from the Lake of the Ozarks area in Missouri. I recently acquired a D9 at a tent sale for $25! My first W&W, and I am already in love with it. I am in the process of cleaning her up and look forward to many happy hours with her. She is missing some decal work but otherwise is in pretty good shape for her age. Looking for advice on adjusting, etc., as well as the shared experiences of other treadlers.
Thanks again!
Shirley
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Re: Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
I was making pillowcases yesterday and had tension problems. I hadn¡¯t realized the discs should turn. This discussion will help when I get another chance to look at it. (My D-9 is at my lake cottage.). Thanks!
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On Feb 17, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Miller Fulks < mmf38@...> wrote: Carl; Yes, that is correct for the tension wheel/pulley. Remember the W&W does not have a disc tension where the thread is pulled down inside the discs. On the W&W tension the wheel "Must" turn in order to adjust the tension.? This is why you take a turn around the wheel with the thread. The tension wheel should have a felt disc on either side of it. Adjusting the tension nut then adjusts the amount of pull on the thread needed to turn the wheel. On a few occasions, as with a small slick thread it can take two turns of the thread to turn the wheel, but in most cases one is sufficient.? Miller/TN??
On Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:10 PM, Carl <rcarl.moy@...> wrote:
Miller:
Thanks so much for your message.? I am still fooling around with the restoration of this part, and have a question about the configuration of the interior slot.? From the part that I have, it appears that the the inside surfaces of the right and left disks are beveled slightly.? It also appears that the beveling stops about 0.200" inches in toward the hub, where the two disks physically touch each other and are in solid contact all the way further in to the hub.? Do I have this correct?? Or, in an uncorroded part, does the slot extend all the way down to? the hub?? Thanks in advance.? I am thinking that I may need to machine a new replacement.
Carl
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Re: Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
Carl; Yes, that is correct for the tension wheel/pulley. Remember the W&W does not have a disc tension where the thread is pulled down inside the discs. On the W&W tension the wheel "Must" turn in order to adjust the tension.? This is why you take a turn around the wheel with the thread. The tension wheel should have a felt disc on either side of it. Adjusting the tension nut then adjusts the amount of pull on the thread needed to turn the wheel. On a few occasions, as with a small slick thread it can take two turns of the thread to turn the wheel, but in most cases one is sufficient.? Miller/TN??
On Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:10 PM, Carl <rcarl.moy@...> wrote:
Miller:
Thanks so much for your message.? I am still fooling around with the restoration of this part, and have a question about the configuration of the interior slot.? From the part that I have, it appears that the the inside surfaces of the right and left disks are beveled slightly.? It also appears that the beveling stops about 0.200" inches in toward the hub, where the two disks physically touch each other and are in solid contact all the way further in to the hub.? Do I have this correct?? Or, in an uncorroded part, does the slot extend all the way down to? the hub?? Thanks in advance.? I am thinking that I may need to machine a new replacement.
Carl
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Re: Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
Miller:
Thanks so much for your message.? I am still fooling around with the restoration of this part, and have a question about the configuration of the interior slot.? From the part that I have, it appears that the the inside surfaces of the right and left disks are beveled slightly.? It also appears that the beveling stops about 0.200" inches in toward the hub, where the two disks physically touch each other and are in solid contact all the way further in to the hub.? Do I have this correct?? Or, in an uncorroded part, does the slot extend all the way down to? the hub?? Thanks in advance.? I am thinking that I may need to machine a new replacement.
Carl
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Hi Shirley,
There will be a TOGA (Treadle On Gathering & Academy) in Ava, MO June 22-23, 2018.? Lots of vintage machine collectors (mainly treadles and hand cranks, but, some electrics) getting together to discuss, show off, etc, our vintage machines.? Since you are so close, we'd love to have you come.? I'm in Illinois, but, I'll be there.? You can email me privately, and I'll give you more information about the event.? Anyone with vintage machines are welcome.? It will be open to the public, too.?
Sorry to reply to the group, but, I'm out of state, and couldn't find a way to reply privately using my ancient laptop, and haven't learned how to do much with my email on my phone (I'm very tech challenged).?
Cheryl in Illinois (currently in Alaska, waiting for the birth of our first grandbaby)
PS:? I have a lovely, non-working W&W 8
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Welcome Shirley; The D-9 was introduced in 1895 & is found with 7-digit serial numbers no less than 2,2xx,xxx but less than 3,xxx,xxx. The earlier #9 will have serial numbers having 6 digits or less.? Singer bought W&W in 1905 & continued to assemble the D-9 machines until around 1908 but with serial numbers beginning with a 3. These were cataloged as a? W91. In 1908 they introduced the Singer W97 which was still essentially the D-9 but now wore Singer Decals & the bed was modified to fit Singer cabinets.
I love all of my W&W machines from the curved needle models through the Singer 9W7, can't really say I have a favorite. One feature I do like on the #8 is its two speed capability, one of very few family treadle machines which have this feature.
Be sure & look over the files section of this forum, much good info is there. Do feel free to ask any specific questions which you might have, that's what we are here for. The D-9 will take a 126x1 needle which has not been made in some time so you are for the most part limited to old stock. In the Boye tubes #18 is the proper one. Miller/TN
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welcome, shirley!
my WW is a no 8 and i love her greatly.
judy in so cal
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Thank you for including me! I am from the Lake of the Ozarks area in Missouri. I recently acquired a D9 at a tent sale for $25! My first W&W, and I am already in love with it. I am in the process of cleaning her up and look forward to many happy hours with her. She is missing some decal work but otherwise is in pretty good shape for her age. Looking for advice on adjusting, etc., as well as the shared experiences of other treadlers.
Thanks again!
Shirley
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HI Miller?
I? have a 23W7 industrial with the Wheeler & Wilson logo. Do you know if? they had a serial number and if so where would I find it? After a few adjustments and? a 128x1 needle she makes a perfect stitch. If anyone has any info on this old girl I would be greatful. Thanks.
Dave in Winnipeg?
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Re: New member owns #9 Treadle
Hi Teresa; Even though I do a good bit of sewing with a handcrank D-9 I have to admit to being one who really prefers the earlier #9. I like the removable bobbin case & have managed to acquire an extra, which I have used by backing off the tension with Pearl Cotton in the bobbin for bobbin stitching. I also find them easier to thread the bobbin as well as adjust if some one in the past has messed with the tension. Miller/TN
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Re: New member owns #9 Treadle
Hi Miller.? It is an early #9 with the flip type bobbin assembly.
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