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Re: #9 Manual

 

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Miller,

I have sent you two emails without response. Would you please tell me if you received them? I am the one who sent you the link to Rijnko Fekkes if you don¡¯t remember me.

Mary (9W7)
?Orange County California

On Nov 5, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Miller Fulks <miller@...> wrote:

Hi Jon;

I am not sure but I suspect we may be out of space in the files section. It is stated we are using 57MB of space. I tried to find a statement as to how much we are allowed but was unsuccessful. I could open the New Folder tab but the Upload File was blocked, thus my assumption we are out of space. I have never had a problem uploading a file previously.

Miller/TN





Re: #9 Manual

 

miller wrote:
> Hi Jon;
>
> I am not sure but I suspect we may be out of space in the files section. It
> is stated we are using 57MB of space. I tried to find a statement as to how
> much we are allowed but was unsuccessful. I could open the New Folder tab
> but the Upload File was blocked, thus my assumption we are out of space. I
> have never had a problem uploading a file previously.

Miller is likely right -- it's because we're out of storage.

Miller -- if you click the "Upgrade" (with the big plus sign) under
the Admin section, you'll see:

Plan: Free
Using 1.4 GB total storage out of 1GB
Attachments: 0 B - 0% of 1GB [View Attachments]
Photos: 1.3 GB - 133% of 1GB
Files: 57 MB - 5% of 1GB

So we're quite a bit over the total limit, though a very small fraction
of that is files -- it's mostly photos.

We could upgrade the group to "Premium", and bump our storage limit to
10Gb, but that would start costing us $220/year.

I'm not sure how we'd go about culling photos to get below the limit. I
suspect members of the group might contribute to help with the $220, but
we should remember that it's an annual thing.

paul

=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 48.2 degrees)


Re: #9 Manual

 

Hi Jon;

I am not sure but I suspect we may be out of space in the files section. It is stated we are using 57MB of space. I tried to find a statement as to how much we are allowed but was unsuccessful. I could open the New Folder tab but the Upload File was blocked, thus my assumption we are out of space. I have never had a problem uploading a file previously.

Miller/TN




Re: #9 Manual

 

I have a similar pdf manual for the early W&W #9 with removable bobbin case and hinged, fold back case holder in one continuous pdf.? I was able to open a folder but not able to add any contents.? I'd need help to get the pdf into the files if this is useful.

Jon


I just posted pics of my W&W's in the VSS collection

 

I hope folks enjoy them as much as I do.

The Album is entitled "Steve Heeter's Machines (VSS)"

Steve


Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

Hi
I am not sure how small the screw is and if this helps. What I did for my missing screw in my pre 1900 WW for the bottom bobbin tension spring screw was missing, no wonder it did now sew.
I ordered a spare bobbin case for a Singer 99k? and the tiny screw fitted.

You do have to be careful doing this sort of thing all sorts of damage can be done.

I was going to start taking some of my old clocks apart to find something that would work.

###
Funny thing that my??WWD9 nearly caught me out was that I did not know to wrap the thread right around the tension disks (I was used to Singers)
I still need to repair the broken corner on the bed, when I do I hope to take a few snaps for entertainment.

all the best
John

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 20:53, viavillecinque . <viavillecinque@...> wrote:
an exchange of parts between members of this? group? would be a very good thing.? I, for me, am italian, I search only the little screw of tension, at the moment. find one in the group would be magnific, for me


Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

Hilde, this is great!? My husband and I are planning a trip to NC to visit relatives, so I am hoping we can meet Carolyn and bring her the W&W head ourselves.? I would love to have you take the treadle, though.? ?I will reply to you privately, so wedon't have to bore everyone with making our arrangements.? :)


On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:58 PM Hilde Whalley <Hilde.whalley@...> wrote:
Wow! I'm in central Vermont and I am a candidate for the treadle. I can take custody of the head and be a first leg of the pony express as northern Connecticut.?
Hilde in Vermont?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:14 AM Black Family <black.smds@...> wrote:
Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

an exchange of parts between members of this? group? would be a very good thing.? I, for me, am italian, I search only the little screw of tension, at the moment. find one in the group would be magnific, for me


Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

That's as far as northern Connecticut!??
By the way, I have 2 Standard s with no base! I'd be delighted to make one whole!?
Hilde

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:58 PM Hilde Whalley via Groups.Io <Hilde.whalley=[email protected]> wrote:
Wow! I'm in central Vermont and I am a candidate for the treadle. I can take custody of the head and be a first leg of the pony express as northern Connecticut.?
Hilde in Vermont?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:14 AM Black Family <black.smds@...> wrote:
Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

Wow! I'm in central Vermont and I am a candidate for the treadle. I can take custody of the head and be a first leg of the pony express as northern Connecticut.?
Hilde in Vermont?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:14 AM Black Family <black.smds@...> wrote:
Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

Addendum:? The Treadle is a "Standard," not a New Home.

I have spent the morning helping my husband move things out of his workshop, and the treadle the D-9 came on is still there, but it is NOT a New Home; it has "Standard" molded into the wrought Iron side.??

This treadle also up for grabs for anyone who would like it.? It is kind of an odd thing;? From a height of 18" up to 31", it is 1/2" metal rods? bolted on to the four corners of the fancy wrought iron part.? I would say the fancy part was to show beneath a cabinet?? ? Each rod is drilled for a large flat-head screw in the top (I have the screws).? When my friend brought me the machine from an auction, it was just the D-9 in a cutout in a board attached to the top of the treadle, with no cabinet at all.

Margaret?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:32 AM Carolyn Hogue <dchogue@...> wrote:
Oh my goodness, Margaret.? I have 3 D-9s in various conditions, so I could probably make use of a parts machine (my daughter also has a complete one I can use as an example), but we live in NC.? If you don't? find someone closer AND we can arrange a pony, I'd be a candidate :-) . . . at least for the head/parts.

Carolyn, not on the Suwannee



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-------- Original message --------
From: Black Family <black.smds@...>
Date: 10/23/19 10:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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Re: D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

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Oh my goodness, Margaret.? I have 3 D-9s in various conditions, so I could probably make use of a parts machine (my daughter also has a complete one I can use as an example), but we live in NC.? If you don't? find someone closer AND we can arrange a pony, I'd be a candidate :-) . . . at least for the head/parts.

Carolyn, not on the Suwannee



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy Tablet

-------- Original message --------
From: Black Family <black.smds@...>
Date: 10/23/19 10:14 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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D-9 Parts Machine or Refurbish Job for Someone

 

Hi,

I bought a Wheeler and Wilson D-9 a few years ago, thinking my mechanical-engineer husband might enjoy overseeing/helping me restore it.? Much as he loves me, my questions and requests for help were an interruption and bore to him, so I finally gave the project up as something I should have asked about before I enthusiastically got involved in, since I could not figure it out by myself.

So, I now have a partially-taken-apart D-9, with all the parts carefully cleaned, and kept that really needs a new home.? The serial number is 2765960.?

I would say it is in excellent condition, with the exception of the exterior paint.? The machine does not look rusty to me at all, but it appears that someone painted it all except for the W&W logo in the center of the sewing area?? ?It came on a board, attached to a New Home treadle, which was kind of strange, but the machine was in good shape.

I was very enthusiastic about this D-9, as I believe it is a superior piece of engineering, however I need to find it a new home.? My husband is cleaning out his workshop, and I hate to see this go to the junkyard.? It has all the parts, including a bobbin.

Do I have any takers?? I live in Central New York.? It is free to anyone who would like to make use of it.

Margaret


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Re: Rarest, smallest, and most expensive Wheeler and Wilson ever made

 

helen wrote:
> I love this article about a one-of-a-kind W & W made for the 1860's most famous celebrity couple:
> --
> Helen DeFoe

Just like a typical Craigslist ad. A couple of distant shots
of the machine, and a whole bunch of closeups of the cabinet. :-)

=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 46.4 degrees)


Rarest, smallest, and most expensive Wheeler and Wilson ever made

Helen DeFoe
 

I love this article about a one-of-a-kind W & W made for the 1860's most famous celebrity couple:?
--?
Helen DeFoe


Re: New member.

 

Thanks for the welcome. I¡¯m glad I joined this group. I¡¯ve already received valuable info in the few hours I¡¯ve been here.
Thanks again.


Re: New member.

 

welcome from one that is here from a few weeks


Re: New member.

 

Thanks for the response. The serial numbers on the 9Ws appear to be largely irrelevant. I guess the lesson is to not ignore a Singer with a W serial #. You must check the machine itself to determine if it has the Singer bobbin case.
Useful info for anyone looking into getting a 9W.
Thanks again for the response.


Re: New member.

Cheryl Emrick
 

Hi Mike,
I'm? a newbie so if you have a picture of the bobbin cover slide plate I'll let you know. When I took the bobbin out there was a notch of some sort you had to release to get it out.Im away until Wed. Will send you pictures then
Cheryl

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 2:58 PM Michael Taylor via Groups.Io <miketaylor1253=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Cheryl. My sister had only 1 D9 bobbin and after looking around for a few days, yours were the only ones I found. Thanks for listing them.
Do you happen to have the bobbin cover slide plate on your D9? I¡¯m still looking for one of those.


Re: New member.

 

Hi All;
I will try to combine several answers in this one post. The majority of #8 machines had the larger 1.0" (25.4mm) dia? bobbin by 0.245" (6.22mm) thick. Its case did not have a tension spring, tension was applied externally to the case. Late in the #8 production the bobbin was redesigned to a bobbin of 0.866" dia (22mm) by 0.278" (7.06mm) thick. The bobbin case had a built-in tension spring, but did not have a locating finger. The bobbin holder (Drop) was also redesigned & these normally cary an?1885 patent date.? Very early? #9 machines used the identical bobbin & case. Very shortly a locating finger was added to the case which also required a clearance cut be made in the bobbin drop ring.?

The D-9 changed to a built in bobbin case with a latch finger & did away with the bobbin drop. Its bobbin retained the same diameter but was thickened to 0.305" (7.75mm) for a slightly greater thread capacity. The D-9 bobbins have a single hole in each side down close to the hub for identification, #9 bobbin sides are totally smooth. Singer 9W machines used the same identical case & bobbin until late in their production when the case & latch finger were slightly re-shaped to allow for the flat sided bobbin. This has nothing to do with whether it is a 9W1 or 9W7. So far as I am aware all the ones with the flat sided bobbins are 9W7 machines "UNLESS" the bobbin case has been switched from a later machine.

Singer 9W machines will be found with both the 7-digit SN as well as the shorter number with the W addendum. So far as I know the reason for both styles of numbers has never been determined. Both styles of numbers are found in both the 9W1 & 9W7 types. There are other sub-models other than the 1 & 7 but these have to do with slight variations, such as fitted for a hand crank, equipped with a hand crank & furnished with a knee lifter for the presser bar & etc, but they will all be of the basic 1 or 7 configuration.? The 9W1 has W&W decals & fits W&W wood, while the 9W7 has Singer decals & fits Singer wood.

The #9 is a totally different machine than the #8, I do not believe there is a Transition as such. I do have a very early #9 which uses the bobbin case without locating finger, same as late #8 machines. Its SN is 21,041 & it does not carry the March 25, 1890 patent date seen on the majority of #9 machines. Other than the bobbin area it is strictly a #9 & nothing like a #8. I would not call it a transition machine, but rather a New Model.

My Singer?9W7 incidentally?carries a SN of 3,185,801Applying "The Formula" to it would show a build date of 1908. As it uses the flat sided bobbin I feel it highly unlikely it was built prior to 1910 at the earliest. It seems total production of these machines had come to an end by 1913. They were replaced by the Singer model 115-1 which was introduced in 1912 & also a rotary, based on the W&W design but revamped to use ase a bobbin case similar to the Singer 15s. It also very closely resembled the Singer 15-30 in appearance.

If I skipped anything feel free to ask again.
Miller/TN.