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update from new member with 3 W & W's
I have the "donor" #8 working and used it to make a hanging nest (based on a Nancy's Notions idea) to hold the instruction book and other bits. ?It sewed okay except for skipping a stitch here and there - not in a regular pattern and only occasionally. ?At New England TOGA it was suggested that I should change the needle.?
But neither # 8 had a bobbin winder, so I had wound the bobbin by hand. ?The bobbin is so skinny that it was hard to wind and I wondered if inconsistent winding could be the problem. ?I got out my Sidewinder and filled the bobbin while being careful not to over-fill. ?Practice stitches look perfect. I have not changed the needle yet but maybe I don't need to do that. I don't need to try to add a winder to the machine - maybe it never had one - but might my hand winding have been the issue? I do like my Sidewinder. Lillian, near Cape Cod |
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Re: Daddy Dean
开云体育Kathy
In our opinion, a bit of invasion of privacy. Also, he does not live in the
address I had, nor the one he moved to, as far as I can tell. Now the last post
in any group or conversation we see is in early 2017.
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Thanks for the suggestion.
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Daddy Dean
开云体育We have not been able to locate Dean, but in my last correspondence with
him, he stated that someone was holding a W&W 3 he purchased in 2015. If you
are holding it, please contact me directly.
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Will be cross posting. Forgive me.
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Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee |
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Needles for Model 9
I recently ordered needles for an Amish lady for her machine.? In the meantime she found some old needles in a cabinet and she doesn't need the ones I purchased.? If someone is interested, please let me know.? I have 10 size 14 substitute W&W needles and a tube of 127x1 mixed sizes 14, 16, 18.? I have $19 invested if anyone is interested.? Thanks.
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Mary; I have three attachments which I bought together that Ave Simanco on them along with a 6-digit part number. Two are hemmers, one marked 3/32 & the other 1/8. The other is a ruffler of a type I have never seen before. All three of these have only a hole to secure them to the presserbar & lack the slot for sliding out the side. I believe these to be industrial attachments. Also, the drive arm on the ruffler is on the wrong side for the #9, D-9 or 9W machines. I also have a near-complete set of attachments in the D-9 configuration, including the side slot on the shank, same side as the D-9. These have six-digit part numbers on them all beginning with 225,xxx. I believe these to have been Singer made for the 9W machines, but will fit the W&W D-9 as well. Miller/TN |
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Re: Introducing Margie
I just checked and my #12 seems to just do a back tack.
The only piece I found with a name was a feller with Simanco on it.? There is another feller in the box with a worn out screw hole.? I am assuming that the Simanco one was to replace the original one.? A number of the feet have numbers on them, but no Simanco. ? I looked inside, as best I could, and could not find any numbers on any of the parts, except the bobbin race holder.? Those dates were "July 30th and Sept 17th, 188?"? I could not read the last letter, but I think it is an 8 or 9.? It is interesting that they used the "th" on dates.? My machine is not in a place were I could conveniently sew on it.? Now, you all have made me want to move it!? I do not have a wooden cover for it.? I always assumed that it never had one since it is an industrial.? I do love the table.? It has a drop leaf on the left side and a drop leaf on the back that extends all the way across the leaf and the table. ? |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Mary & Mike; No reason at all to feel Foolish. The feed dogs were undoubtedly at a point that when the feed was reversed they dropped to some extent which would have led one to believe the lever was for lowering them. In the 1908 Singer Bridgeport catalog the 12W100 has a clutch controller for being run from a line shaft. One of its suggested uses is "Horse Blankets". The 12W102 is said to be the same except it has a Loose Pulley, which would be used on a treadle. The 12W103 is the same as the 12W102 except feed can be reversed to fasten off the stitches. I do not have a positive answer here but highly suspect this is a Back-Tack rather than a full reverse. |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Mary, ? I have a no 12 in the cue to come here overseas and have been trying to answer if that lever is only a back tack lever (like the Davis NVF has) or if it is a true reverse.? If you can verify that'd be great as the curiosity has been getting at me while I wait patiently for our no 12 to arrive. ? I thought I'd had a second no 12 nailed down but alas it didn't come through (Craig's List seller) so I'm still on the lookout for one more. Best regards, Mike |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Boy, do I feel foolish.? The lever I thought might be for the feed dogs is the reverse lever. ?
Miller, you can answer me with Mary or Margie.? When I signed up with Yahoo many, many years ago, I used my proper name, which is Mary.? Friends call me Margie.? I answer to both.? I think my machine had been used for binding blankets, probably horse blankets.? It was set up to do that when I bought it and I live in an area where that would have been logical.? It took me a long time to figure out what the foot configuration was used for. ? I need to really look at my machine, again.? It is no longer in my sewing room because I have run out of room.? Familiar tale?? I am curious now to see if there are any Singer parts in it. |
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Re: Introducing Margie
mb wrote:
> The web site in your message says to contact the OCIO help desk for > additional support. What does that mean? For some reason the Smithsonian website doesn't always allow direct links to the documents, and you get that error. When that happens, I find I have to start at the search page and re-find the document I was looking for. Sometime, like at present, it doesn't work at all. :-/ In case you don't have the link, when things are working, the entry page for searching is: From there, I: - Click "Explore the collection" - Click "Search By" - Put in a keyword in the company name, like "Gibbs", or "Wheeler" - Usually, I check the block "Display only items with images". (Otherwise you get results for things that are in the collection, but not available on the web.) Here's hoping the site is back soon. paul > > =---------------------- paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 63.5 degrees) |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Mary; W&W placed their model 12 on the market in 1887. The D-12 followed in 1890. I do not know what change resulted in the D-12 designation. Just as a guess, that 1889 patent covered whatever made it a D-12. Singer bought the W&W company in 1905 & continued making several of the W&W models. So far as I am aware of All Singer machines which were built in the W&W plant had the W in their model designation. All machines were not marked with their model on the machine itself. For a period of time, these W&W machines made by Singer continued to carry W&W decals. I simply do not know enough about the #12 machine to be able to tell whether it was built prior to, or after the Singer buyout. I can tell whether a machine is a W&W D-9 or a Singer 9W1, but cannot tell on the #12. Most likely if you do not find any parts carrying part numbers on them it was made by W&W.? If, on the other hand, you find several parts with a number on them it was made by Singer. Under Singer nomenclature, there were three basic versions of the #12. 12W1 to 12W99 were Short Arm machines. 12W100 to 12W199 machines were Long Arm machines.? 12W200 to 12W299 were High Arm machines, which were also short. When you see the term Drop Feed in this catalog it is referring to the regular 4-motion feed in contrast to a wheel feed, which was quite popular on leatherworking machines. I do not know if all of the #12 machines which used the drop feed could also be lowered or not. I found no mention of this in the catalog. Some, though not all of the #12 machines had reverse feed on them. All of these I found were on the drop feed models I did not find this on the wheel feed models.? Miller/TN |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Thank you for the link, Miller.? I have a long arm #12.? I did not know that it has a drop feed.? There is a lever that I could never figure out what it is for.? It doesn't drop the feed all the way which tells me that I need to do some work on it. |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Mary; I get that message occasionally also. Normally I just give it a few minutes & try again & it usually comes right up. I don't really know what that message for additional support means & have never attempted to contact anyone. I just went up & clicked on the link in my post & it came right up. Try a few more times & maybe it'll Hit. Miller/TN
On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 06:20:09 PM PDT, MB Freeman <bumby3@...> wrote:
The web site in your message says to contact the OCIO help desk for additional support.? What does that mean? |
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Re: Bobbins
Hi Gill, ?Thanks for letting me know. ? I see folks talking about no 6 industrials and no 12's.? Sure would like to get another 12 and especially a no 6. Best regards, Mike
On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 01:46:37 AM GMT+8, GillC via Groups.Io <Churchill432@...> wrote:
Hi, just to let you know my bobbins turned out to be for a Jones Spool and a D9. ?No use to you unfortunately, but I’ve found homes for them. ?Good luck with your business. Regards, Gill? On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:01, Michael Kendall via Groups.Io <michael.kendall@...> wrote:
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Margie; I meant to add this link & hit send without doing so. It is a copy of a 1908 Singer/Bridgeport catalog from the Smithsonian site. As you can see Singer was still making a lot of the various sub-models of the 12(W) at this point in time. You may be able to pin-point yours from the info here. All Singer machines with a W in the "Model" designation were built in the old W&W factory at Bridgeport CN & most, if not all, were built on W&W design. Miller/TN |
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Re: Introducing Margie
Hi Margie & welcome to the group; Your model #12 is fine. When we first started the group we stated we were limiting it to the family machines. We very shortly changed this rule. There seem to be so few survivors of the industrial line we decided they needed to be covered as well for any who had one.? The model 12 seems to have been made in greater quantity than many of the industrial models & consequently, is one of the most encountered industrials. There are a number of different sub-models in the 12 line, as made for different purposes. I am not certain about all of these submodels, but at least some of them use the 128x1 needle. This is a round shank needle having a shank diameter of 1.75mm (.069") & a length to the eye of 33.9 mm (1.335") This needle can still be found, but for most purposes, it may be able to use a DBx1 needle.? The DBx1 is available in a wider assortment of sizes & types & is slightly lower priced.? It is the same length as the 128x1 but has a bit smaller round shank with a diameter of 1.64mm (.0645"). There is thus not a lot of difference in the shank size. Miller/TN? |
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Re: Bobbins
开云体育Hi, just to let you know my bobbins turned out to be for a Jones Spool and a D9. ?No use to you unfortunately, but I’ve found homes for them. ?Good luck with your business.Regards, Gill? On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:01, Michael Kendall via Groups.Io <michael.kendall@...> wrote:
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