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Re: Introduction
J Bonfoey
Hi Miller ?
Everyone is always so welcoming and helpful. Thanks for all the detailed info and downloads.?Your experience, having already done this, makes it much easier for those of us who follow. All the tips and tricks are great. I am gathering data as we will be going to Montana sometime this week to help my friend with her machine. Again I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this and other forums to make my hobby(addiction) more enjoyable. Jane |
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Re: Introduction
Hi Jane & Welcome;
I am giving a link to a 1908 Singer/Bridgeport catalog; As can be seen the Singer 9W was made with both W&W as well as Singer decals. It would seen from this catalog the 9W1 wore W&W decals & fit W&W cabinets, while the 9W7 wore Singer decals & fit Singer cabinets. If you go to our files section you can find a manual for the 9W listed in PDF format. The machine pictured is the 9W1, but the instructions will work for either. All of the 9W1 machines will use the same bagel shaped bobbin as the W&W D-9 while the 9W7 may have either that bobbin or a flat sided one. I have one of the 9W7 machines which uses the flat sided bobbins. Bobbins for the Singer 221 (Featherweight) or 301 will fit it. I also found some Bernina bobbins which fit, can look up the model numbers if would be helpful to you. In threading do note the upper tension is not a disc tension, but a wheel tension. It is an absolute necessity to take a turn around the wheel in order to have tension. Failure to do this will result in a tangled mess. Mine is a very great sewer though, as long as you take that wrap around the tension wheel. The W&W D-9, Singer 9W1 & 9W7 all use a 127x1 needle (Boye #18). If you have any specific questions please do feel free to ask, I or someone will do our best to answer you. Miller/TN |
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Introduction
J Bonfoey
Thank you for letting me join.
My name is Jane and I live in Colorado. I refurbish vintage sewing machines-singer, pfaff, and Elna as a hobby. I do not own a WW but have a friend who has what I believe to be a Singer 9w7. She has asked me if I could help her get it working. Joined to gain info on how it works etc. She has gathered needles, bobbins, and belt from an ¡°old¡± sewing machine service guy. Hopefully we will be able to get it running again. Thanks again¡ªJane |
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
+ On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 10:04 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote: Hi Libby; |
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Re: Hello
Hi Libby;
The serial number on that W&W #3 should date it to 1870. My #3 in a half case treadle is also an 1870 model, though a slightly lower number at 487,972. As to the handwheel for the 401G I see no reason that brass would not work. Of course a chunk of brass that size will be considerably more expensive than will steel. Miller/TN |
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
So my hubby and I have been mulling over machining a treadle part for the 401g. Someone mentioned that the original was made of steel and using aluminum was too light and inefficient. My husband mentioned brass as it is the same weight as steel. Any thoughts? On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 5:39 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote: Hi Libby; |
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
Well my estimate of her age was way off. Sereal number 500987. If my husband could get his calipers on one of those parts for the 401g he could machine one for me. I guess they are few and far between.? Those W&W models you have are beauties. I have never gotten to run one....maybe someday. Are they easy sewers? I am going to look for the machine you mentioned. She sounds very interesting. At this point I am not looking to add any more electrics to my bunch tho. I actually think that hand cranks are what's in my future. I am fast running out of room!? Gonna go think on my TOBE blocks now. Regards, Libby On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 5:39 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote: Hi Libby; |
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Re: Hello
Hi Libby;
The W&W serial number should fall between 220,319 & 270,450 if it is an 1866. There is of course no factory records for these machines. There is a SN chart for them up through 1876 which was I believe worked up by Grace Rogers Cooper. Ms Cooper was a former curator for the Smithsonian & she worked the numbers from licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination. She had to do some estimating on the number built prior to the Combination but she used known warranty & Bill of Sales etc to smooth out the numbers. They appear to be very close. You are gathering a good collection there. I too have a 401G I would like to find a treadle handwheel for. An electric I like real well is a Free/Westinghouse model CE with the Rotoscilla movement. It is sort of a combination of a vibrating shuttle with a rotary drive. The quietest & smoothest VS machine I have ever had the privilege of operating. They also made these as the #5 & model C for treadles. The Free/Westinghouse has a built on motor & is not readily converted to either a treadle or hand crank. I do feel very fortunate in having several original hand crank machines, including a #9 & a D-9 W&W. Look forward to seeing you at TN TOGA Miller/TN |
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
I have been wearing out my thumbs and can't seem to get to the TENN TOGA groups. I suppose I should be embarraced that I am so tech"no!" But this is a people powered kinda group. Would appreciate any help I can get. On Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 9:31 AM Libby Barnett <Libbybarnett1968@...> wrote:
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
Hi Glenn! Miller is a gem for sure. Honestly everyone I have associated with connected to Treadleon is amazing! My address is Libbybarnett1968@.... I plan on being there. The TOGA happens before my kids band season gets rolling hard. I fit, alter, and maintain 80 band uniforms between August and beginning of November and I have to fly solo "no one knows how to sew!" I am thankful my kids are old enough that I can participate in some non-kid activities now. Thanks for messaging me! Libby On Jun 24, 2018 9:06 AM, "Glenn Cleveland (Skip) via Groups.Io" <skipperhntsvll=[email protected]> wrote: Hi Libby, I am Skipper the host of the Tenn Toga this year. We would love for you to come and meet you. If you go to to Tenn Toga yahoo group or to the Tenn Toga face book there is a file of what will take place at the the Toga. It will have the address of the Knights of Columbus hall in Winchester. If you would like send me your email and I will send you the info. Miller is a great guy with lots of info on your W&W. |
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Re: Hello
Hi Libby, I am Skipper the host of the Tenn Toga this year. We would love for you to come and meet you. If you go to to Tenn Toga yahoo group or to the Tenn Toga face book there is a file of what will take place at the the Toga. It will have the address of the Knights of Columbus hall in Winchester. If you would like send me your email and I will send you the info. Miller is a great guy with lots of info on your W&W.
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Re: Introduction and awaiting my first Wheeler and Wilson
?Yes, thanks, I read the bobbin write-up before ?looking at the photos, and the needles doc, and machine comparisons. These files are invaluable. The paper I have at home is 24 lb but I'm pretty sure the paper we use at work is 20 so that will be an interesting finagle for a rainy day. I bought two more #9 bobbins so with three that are 'proper' I am just going to keep the D9 bobbin as an emergency. Until or if I get a D9, that is! ;)? ('Until' is probably the operative word, there is one about an hour or so drive from me on Facebook marketplace. In a table. For less than what I've already sunk into this machine.) |
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Re: Introduction and awaiting my first Wheeler and Wilson
Hi Carolyn;
Understand when the hook picks the needle thread up it has to carry it around the bobbin. There must therefore be enough clearance between the bobbin case & the holder for the thread to pass through. I have never seen the specs for the clearance of a W&W machine. However specs for a Singer VS machine call for 015" to 018" clearance between the shuttle & its race for this purpose. The difference in thickness between the #9 & D-9 bobbins which I measured was about 027". If the bobbin drop, or holder, is properly adjusted for the #9 bobbin there will be no clearance at all with the thicker D-9 bobbin, so the holder has to be backed up until the thread will pass around it without binding. One suggestion I might make is, ordinary 20 pound printer/copier paper measures a pretty uniform 004" thick. Thus 4 layers - 016" which is in the tolerance range for the Singer. Cut a strip of this paper of a width that will fit in the holder & fold it twice lengthwise giving the 4 layers. When you try the thicker D-9 bobbin back the holder up a bit & lay this folded strip of paper between the holder ring & bobbin case, fold it up & then push the holder up until the paper is snug. Tighten the holder at that point & it should sew well. You could try the #9 bobbin at this same setting but suspect you will find it rather loose & rattly. Should it work well you could readjust the holder for the thicker bobbin, but again I highly suspect you will need the different setting for each. Glad you found the bobbin photos helpful. I also did a write up on them in the files section, if you haven't looked at it you will find it on the 2nd page. Miller/TN |
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Re: Introduction and awaiting my first Wheeler and Wilson
The D9 bobbin did fit the 9 holder, although obviously it sticks out a bit more, but I also haven't threaded it yet due to the bobbin winder casualty so will see what adjustment has to be made for that when the replacement winder arrives. Your bobbin comparison in the photo section has been a tremendous help Miller, I had a look at them before I even got the machine.
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
Oh machines! So admittedly I love all sewing machines. I love the way sewing machines are such a tangible representation of technology and human ingenuity. My people powered machines are two Singer treadle, a Damascus treadle, an 1872 W&G, and this 1866(?) W&W No.3 with no needle. My hand Crank is a 1932 (a mere child age wise,) Singer model 66 in pristine condition. It has a wood extension with the case. For electrics I have the NECCHI Supernova, the only machine to make it to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Then I have Singers 221 black, 221 white, 301, 431G, and a beloved 401G that I am anxiously waiting to find a treadle wheel for. I am wanting to add at least 1 nice vibrating shuttle to my collection but she has yet to reveal herself to me. On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 8:17 PM Libby Barnett <Libbybarnett1968@...> wrote:
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Re: Hello
Libby Barnett
Ha! I live in Normandy, have a business in Tullahoma, and work an extra job in Winchester! Hi neighbor!? I would love to go to another TOGA! I went to one in Fresno many years ago. Can't wait to meet you all! On Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 8:08 PM Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote: Hi & Welcome Libby; |
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Re: Hello
Hi & Welcome Libby;
What part of TN are you from, I'm from down here in Lynchburg. If you can make it come to the TN TOGA this year. It is held in Winchester TN & this years dates are Thur-Sat Aug 9-11. It is of course sponsored by Treadleon, but even if you aren't a member there is OK to come. What is your hand crank? I like the hand machines. Most of mine are retro fit with the reproduction cranks but do have several originals. I am particularlly proud of two W&W hand cranks, a #9 & a D-9. Miller/TN |
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Re: Intro, new W&W No.8 owner
My best guess, & note this is only a guess, is that your machine for whatever reason has had some changes made to it After it left the factory. The serial number would show it to be a very early one, much earlier than the 1885 patent date on the bobbin case. The handwheel looks similar to a picture of a handwheel I have seen on a very late #8 equipped with a hand crank. Only problem is this machine had a SN above 440,000 & the rim of the wheel was rounded rather than flat faced.
I believe that W&W did build some combo machines which could be used as either a treadle or hand machine, perhaps this was one & only the treadle portion has survived. O all the #8 machines which I have seen the small groove is on the inside, next to the machine with the large groove being to the outside. On your Overview picture it somewhat appears to me as if the smaller groove is present, but in the Day one cleanup & oil picture it is not so clear as is taken at a bit of an angle. I suppose that with the machine in hand you are certain the small inner groove is not present, it is not as apparent as the larger one. Miller/TN |
Carolyn Blakeney
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