I remember getting my first #8. I cleaned and buff the cabinet,? cleaned, oiled the head, put on the new belt and was bummed that I couldn't get it to take a stitch. Cryed to Steve that I couldn't get it going, and then he told me that it was the W&W that has the hand wheel turn towards you. A slap myself on the forehead moment.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Shirley Atkinson <ssatkinson1981@...> wrote: This was great! Thanks!
Enjoyed this throughly! On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Miller Fulks Hi All;
Everyone has been quite for a while so thought I would start a general topic. Some of these will be W&W specific, others not. Feel free to comment or add other you have heard.
Myth #1; A machine can be dated by its patent dates, Wrong!
My W&W 1872 #3 treadle has patents back to 1850, My 1924 W&G Automatic has patent dates going back more than 40 years.
Myth #2; All rotary machines turn over Backwards IE the handwheel turns away from you, Wrong!
A W&W? #8 rotary, Standard rotary, Singer 115? rotary Singer 221 (FW) rotary, among others, all rotate toward you.
Myth #3; W&W made a model W9, Wrong!
They made a No 9 & a D-d while Singer made a 9W but neither to the best I have been able to find ever referred to one of their machines as a W9.
Myth #4: The D in a W&W model stands for Domestic, Wrong!
The D-9 was the only "Family" machine with a D in the model designation. Several of their industrial models had a D. A couple of examples are the D-10 & D-12.
These machines were all follow-ups of the same numbered models with some improvement designed & patented by Wilbur F Dial. Apparently the D was in tribute
to Mr dial.
Myth #5; When Singer brought out the Back Clamp foot on their model 66 they Copied the W&W foot, Wrong!
They may, or may not, have been influenced by it but did not Copy it. The W&W foot is not a back clamp but a mid-mount foot.
Got to leave for now, this is the last night of a Gospel Meeting where I worship. Speaker is a Gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is kinda short though,
she fall a bit short of him.?
Add a few myths you have heard.
Miller/TN
gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is some shorter than him though.?
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On Jun 13, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Deb via Groups.Io < brookstonegsp2@...> wrote: Enjoyed this throughly! On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Miller Fulks Hi All;
Everyone has been quite for a while so thought I would start a general topic. Some of these will be W&W specific, others not. Feel free to comment or add other you have heard.
Myth #1; A machine can be dated by its patent dates, Wrong!
My W&W 1872 #3 treadle has patents back to 1850, My 1924 W&G Automatic has patent dates going back more than 40 years.
Myth #2; All rotary machines turn over Backwards IE the handwheel turns away from you, Wrong!
A W&W? #8 rotary, Standard rotary, Singer 115? rotary Singer 221 (FW) rotary, among others, all rotate toward you.
Myth #3; W&W made a model W9, Wrong!
They made a No 9 & a D-d while Singer made a 9W but neither to the best I have been able to find ever referred to one of their machines as a W9.
Myth #4: The D in a W&W model stands for Domestic, Wrong!
The D-9 was the only "Family" machine with a D in the model designation. Several of their industrial models had a D. A couple of examples are the D-10 & D-12.
These machines were all follow-ups of the same numbered models with some improvement designed & patented by Wilbur F Dial. Apparently the D was in tribute
to Mr dial.
Myth #5; When Singer brought out the Back Clamp foot on their model 66 they Copied the W&W foot, Wrong!
They may, or may not, have been influenced by it but did not Copy it. The W&W foot is not a back clamp but a mid-mount foot.
Got to leave for now, this is the last night of a Gospel Meeting where I worship. Speaker is a Gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is kinda short though,
she fall a bit short of him.?
Add a few myths you have heard.
Miller/TN
gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is some shorter than him though.?
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Miller Fulks <miller@...> wrote: Hi All;
Everyone has been quite for a while so thought I would start a general topic. Some of these will be W&W specific, others not. Feel free to comment or add other you have heard.
Myth #1; A machine can be dated by its patent dates, Wrong!
My W&W 1872 #3 treadle has patents back to 1850, My 1924 W&G Automatic has patent dates going back more than 40 years.
Myth #2; All rotary machines turn over Backwards IE the handwheel turns away from you, Wrong!
A W&W? #8 rotary, Standard rotary, Singer 115? rotary Singer 221 (FW) rotary, among others, all rotate toward you.
Myth #3; W&W made a model W9, Wrong!
They made a No 9 & a D-d while Singer made a 9W but neither to the best I have been able to find ever referred to one of their machines as a W9.
Myth #4: The D in a W&W model stands for Domestic, Wrong!
The D-9 was the only "Family" machine with a D in the model designation. Several of their industrial models had a D. A couple of examples are the D-10 & D-12.
These machines were all follow-ups of the same numbered models with some improvement designed & patented by Wilbur F Dial. Apparently the D was in tribute
to Mr dial.
Myth #5; When Singer brought out the Back Clamp foot on their model 66 they Copied the W&W foot, Wrong!
They may, or may not, have been influenced by it but did not Copy it. The W&W foot is not a back clamp but a mid-mount foot.
Got to leave for now, this is the last night of a Gospel Meeting where I worship. Speaker is a Gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is kinda short though,
she fall a bit short of him.?
Add a few myths you have heard.
Miller/TN
gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is some shorter than him though.?
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Hi All;
Everyone has been quite for a while so thought I would start a general topic. Some of these will be W&W specific, others not. Feel free to comment or add other you have heard.
Myth #1; A machine can be dated by its patent dates, Wrong!
My W&W 1872 #3 treadle has patents back to 1850, My 1924 W&G Automatic has patent dates going back more than 40 years.
Myth #2; All rotary machines turn over Backwards IE the handwheel turns away from you, Wrong!
A W&W? #8 rotary, Standard rotary, Singer 115? rotary Singer 221 (FW) rotary, among others, all rotate toward you.
Myth #3; W&W made a model W9, Wrong!
They made a No 9 & a D-d while Singer made a 9W but neither to the best I have been able to find ever referred to one of their machines as a W9.
Myth #4: The D in a W&W model stands for Domestic, Wrong!
The D-9 was the only "Family" machine with a D in the model designation. Several of their industrial models had a D. A couple of examples are the D-10 & D-12.
These machines were all follow-ups of the same numbered models with some improvement designed & patented by Wilbur F Dial. Apparently the D was in tribute
to Mr dial.
Myth #5; When Singer brought out the Back Clamp foot on their model 66 they Copied the W&W foot, Wrong!
They may, or may not, have been influenced by it but did not Copy it. The W&W foot is not a back clamp but a mid-mount foot.
Got to leave for now, this is the last night of a Gospel Meeting where I worship. Speaker is a Gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is kinda short though,
she fall a bit short of him.?
Add a few myths you have heard.
Miller/TN
gigantic man who measures Exactly 4 feet tall. His wife is some shorter than him though.?
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Re: Florida W&W Treadlers
Just to clarify, the gathering is for all Florida treadlers, not just those with W&W treadle machines.
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Re: Florida W&W Treadlers
Hi Teresa;
Sure wish I was able to attend, would be great to meet with other W&W fans. Any one there with a W&W who is not a member of our W&W IO group be sure to encourage them to join us.
Miller/TN
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If any of you are Florida W&W Treadlers and would like to attend the next Florida TOGA (Treadle On Gathering and Academy), let me know.
It is scheduled for Saturday July 28, 2018 (9am til 6pm) in DeLand, FL.
Come share your love of W&W's or treadling in general with like-minded folks!
Regards!? Teresa
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Great little story, thanks
From: Carol Weaver <starweaver.cw@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] W&W in Book
Your book about the war between the states sounds fascinating! I had family that I know of that fought for the north but I'm pretty sure with a little bit more research I could find family that also fought for the south. Sounds fantastic to have a Wheeler and Wilson that dates to that time period. Thanks so much for sharing. ? ? ? Carol from northern California On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:44 PM Miller Fulks < miller@...> wrote: As I am a fan of "The War Between the States" my Granddaughter gave me a book this past Christmas entitled "Blue & Gray". I had read it but missed this.
My Wife was reading it today & called me to come look at a picture & to see if I noticed anything in it. The picture was of a group of 13 ladies who belonged to
what was known as the "Soldiers Aid Society" of Springfield IL. They tried to provide various items for the soldiers including clothing & quilts. Though a bit hard
to see right in the middle of the group was a curved needle W&W sewing machine. Through about 1867 W&W wqs building more machines per year than any
other company. Singer caught them in annual production about that time & by 1870 caught up with them in total production. These figures were derived from
the number of licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination so are not absolutes but should be extremely close.?
I do have an 1860 #1 head which I found on EBay from Vermont. Thus if it sewed any uniforms they were likely Blue. I am nevertheless very proud to have found
this pre-war machine even if my blood does run "Grey".?
Miller/TN?
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Your book about the war between the states sounds fascinating! I had family that I know of that fought for the north but I'm pretty sure with a little bit more research I could find family that also fought for the south. Sounds fantastic to have a Wheeler and Wilson that dates to that time period. Thanks so much for sharing. ? ? ? Carol from northern California
On Sat, May 26, 2018, 8:44 PM Miller Fulks < miller@...> wrote: As I am a fan of "The War Between the States" my Granddaughter gave me a book this past Christmas entitled "Blue & Gray". I had read it but missed this.
My Wife was reading it today & called me to come look at a picture & to see if I noticed anything in it. The picture was of a group of 13 ladies who belonged to
what was known as the "Soldiers Aid Society" of Springfield IL. They tried to provide various items for the soldiers including clothing & quilts. Though a bit hard
to see right in the middle of the group was a curved needle W&W sewing machine. Through about 1867 W&W wqs building more machines per year than any
other company. Singer caught them in annual production about that time & by 1870 caught up with them in total production. These figures were derived from
the number of licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination so are not absolutes but should be extremely close.?
I do have an 1860 #1 head which I found on EBay from Vermont. Thus if it sewed any uniforms they were likely Blue. I am nevertheless very proud to have found
this pre-war machine even if my blood does run "Grey".?
Miller/TN?
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As I am a fan of "The War Between the States" my Granddaughter gave me a book this past Christmas entitled "Blue & Gray". I had read it but missed this.
My Wife was reading it today & called me to come look at a picture & to see if I noticed anything in it. The picture was of a group of 13 ladies who belonged to
what was known as the "Soldiers Aid Society" of Springfield IL. They tried to provide various items for the soldiers including clothing & quilts. Though a bit hard
to see right in the middle of the group was a curved needle W&W sewing machine. Through about 1867 W&W wqs building more machines per year than any
other company. Singer caught them in annual production about that time & by 1870 caught up with them in total production. These figures were derived from
the number of licenses sold through the Sewing Machine Combination so are not absolutes but should be extremely close.?
I do have an 1860 #1 head which I found on EBay from Vermont. Thus if it sewed any uniforms they were likely Blue. I am nevertheless very proud to have found
this pre-war machine even if my blood does run "Grey".?
Miller/TN?
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Steve from Missouri. ?Thank you for letting me join this group. ?I don¡¯t own any of these machines yet but will keep my eyes open.
Have a great day.
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welcome back!!
judy in so cal
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We Say Goodbye To Lara Spencer
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Hi Kathi & Welcome;
Glad you found us. Incidentally my maternal Grandmother's maiden name was Edwards. She grew up & lived her life in the southern end of Rutherford County TN.
She married Miller Bingham & they lived on a farm which was The very southern tip end of the county.
Miller/TN
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I was just added to another newly created io group and in exploring, I found this group!?
I haven't been able to access it before because I lost the instruction I had printed out.
So YAY!? Hi, everybody!
Kathi Edwards
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Hi Miller,
What you need is another moderator.? That moderator needs to know a bit about computers so that they can work the site for you.? I'm sure there are several qualified people on this list that would fit the bill.? YOU would have to give them access to being a moderator.? Maybe Maria?? I know a bit about the Yahoo groups, but, I don't know anything about io groups.
Cheryl in Illinois
On April 13, 2018 at 10:51 AM Miller Fulks <miller@...> wrote:
Hi All;
I have been contacted by one trying to join our group. The records on the home page show him as being approved on Apr 8 but he is unable to post, gets a membership pending message.
Is anyone here computer knowledgeable enough to help him out.? If so please contact me & I will get you together with him. When Dean & I formed this group I was to answer machine
questions & he was to handle the computer end.? Unfortunately we have not heard from Dean in some time now. He has not replied to anyone's emails etc. Anyone who is able to assist
in this matter please do so. I want to keep this group going & not lose any prospective members, but am just not very computer literate. I am more of a mechanical type.
Miller/TN?
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Hi All;
I have been contacted by one trying to join our group. The records on the home page show him as being approved on Apr 8 but he is unable to post, gets a membership pending message.
Is anyone here computer knowledgeable enough to help him out.? If so please contact me & I will get you together with him. When Dean & I formed this group I was to answer machine
questions & he was to handle the computer end.? Unfortunately we have not heard from Dean in some time now. He has not replied to anyone's emails etc. Anyone who is able to assist
in this matter please do so. I want to keep this group going & not lose any prospective members, but am just not very computer literate. I am more of a mechanical type.
Miller/TN?
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Welcome, Paula.
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I am in East Tennessee also, southeast of Knoxville, near the mountains.? Recently had a new collector, Debbie, visit. Hope you can do so also.
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Contact me off list, if you are interested.
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Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
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Hello, my name is Paula and I am from East TN.i have several antique machines, and 1 is a Wheeler & Wilson #9. It is in a beautiful 7 drawer cabinet. I am very interested in the history of these machines, and look forward to reading about other machines made by this company.
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On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:11 PM, Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> wrote: Sheri; The patent number on thart dual purpose needlebar is 527915. You can look it up on the US patent office site or a site I prefer is;
If using this site you will have to put a 0 in front of the 5 as it requires 7 digits to find the patent, but a following 0 would give the wrong one. My thoughts are the sleeved needlebar was put on the market late in the #9 production. This dual purpose bar would have followed very shortly thereafter. As I said to date I have found no-one who has ever seen one of them. My feeling is they were virtually all exported into remote locations where finding the proper needle might be difficult. Survival rate of these machines was likely very low. As to why W&W continued to mark the sleeved bar throughout the production of the D-9 machines I have not the slightest idea, but this bar will not accept the round shank needle without modification, thus is not built per the 1894 patent.
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Sheri;
The patent number on thart dual purpose needlebar is 527915. You can look it up on the US patent office site or a site I prefer is;
using this site you will have to put a 0 in front of the 5 as it requires 7 digits to find the patent, but a following 0 would give the wrong one.
My thoughts are the sleeved needlebar was put on the market late in the #9 production. This dual purpose bar would have followed very shortly thereafter. As I said to date I have found no-one who has ever seen one of them. My feeling is they were virtually all exported into remote locations where finding the proper needle might be difficult. Survival rate of these machines was likely very low. As to why W&W continued to mark the sleeved bar throughout the production of the D-9 machines I have not the slightest idea, but this bar will not accept the round shank needle without modification, thus is not built per the 1894 patent.
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