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Re: New member owns #9 Treadle
Hi Teresa; Good to hear you have the time to join in on the forum. Tell? us a bit more about your #9. Is it the earlier #9? or the later D-9. The D-9 will be marked as such on the right slide plate & will have a 7-digit serial number starting at least as high as 2,2xx,xxx, can go up to just under 3,xxx,xxx. The #9 SN will not exceed 6 digits & can be lower. Both will have the same intertwined W&W 9 on the pillar. Both are good machines, some prefer one over the other. Miller/TN |
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New member owns #9 Treadle
Hello all.? I'm new to this group although I subscribed last October.? I figured it's about time I said?hello and give an intro.
I've lived in?Florida most of my life and?the kids are all grown and out on their own.? Until recently my husband and I were?working?seven days a week, (for the past six years), and thankfully are now back to the normal five, yay! I enjoy sewing and quilting, and have a small herd of sewing machines (less than 10); all having a specific purpose.? I give Living History demonstrations of various hand and needle crafts to school children, and the general public when called upon.? I have a W&W #9 treadle and belong to the W&W Facebook group and several other vintage sewing machine FB groups.? Regards to all, Teresa Schmidt |
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Re: Hello from a new member
Thanks - you will! I am looking forward to getting back to it. I've been out of town on business for more than a week, so knew I would have to wait until around February to get started with it, but will be taking pictures and posting soon. Kim
On Monday, January 29, 2018, 11:13:20 AM EST, nflagator1 via Groups.Io <nflagator1@...> wrote:
Hello Kim, I'm looking forward?to seeing?some pictures of your newly acquired D9?on the?W&W FB group too. Teresa |
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Re: Hello from a new member
Hi Kim & Welcome; The D-9 sewing machines were introduced in 1895 & built through 1905 when W&W was purchased by Singer. It was made in both a covered top & a drop head version & in both treadle & handcrank versions. The handcranks were primarily for the "Export" market & are consequently much harder to find.? All D-9 serial numbers will be found to have 7 digit numbers. To date? none have appeared with a number lower than in the 2,200,000 range & go up to about the 3,000,000 range. I have a theory, but so far unable to prove, that if the SN begins with a 3 it was actually finished under Singer ownership.? Do tell us more about your machine & ask any questions you may have. Our sole purpose for existence is to learn more about these wonderful old machines, which we do by sharing info. Miller/TN |
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Hello from a new member
Hello and thanks for adding me to this group. Last Friday I picked up a Wheeler & Wilson D9 treadle machine outside of Pittsburgh, PA, and I look forward to learning more about it. I live in south-central Pennsylvania. It is my first W&W - my 1st-ever machine was a 1974 White [I've owned it from new and still use it], plus a small flock of Singers and a German toy machine. Kim |
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Re: Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
Hi Carl; You are correct this W&W tension pulley is assembled to make it a single piece. I have never attempted to take one apart so can give no advise on that. I would suggest using a fine wire brush for de-corrosion work.? Understand the thread is not pulled down inside the discs as on a disc tension, rather it grips & turns the pulley/wheel. To accomplish this it is necessary to take a complete turn of the thread around the pulley, in the case of small, slick thread it sometimes takes two turns. If the pulley does not rotate, tension is not controlled but stays constant at whatever the slippage gives it. The side pieces are simply to help prevent the thread from jumping off the pulley & play no actual part in the tension, this is all by the grip of the thread on the center portion. This type of tension remained constant throughout the life of W&W home machines as well as at least many of their industrial models, not positive about all of the industrial's. Hope this? helps you. Miller/TN On Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:41 AM, Carl <rcarl.moy@...> wrote: All: I've just managed to get may hands on set of tension parts for the no. 3 that I am restoring, whose original parts were missing.? I have a question about the tension pulley, part no. 60.? I had assumed that that this part consisted of two loose disks, which in operation were pressed together with variable force by the volute spring.? On inspection, though it seems the part is a rigid composite of three elements: two beveled disks, fixed to a hub, presumably with enough gap between them to accommodate loops of thread.? Do I have this right?? If so, de-corroding the part seems much more complicated - has anyone done so successfully?? Can the disks be pressed off the hub, cleaned and then the reassembled onto the hub?? Does anyone know the size of the gap between the disks on a working pulley?? Thanks in advance. Carl |
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Wheeler Wilson nos. 1-4 - Tension Pulley
All:
I've just managed to get may hands on set of tension parts for the no. 3 that I am restoring, whose original parts were missing.? I have a question about the tension pulley, part no. 60.? I had assumed that that this part consisted of two loose disks, which in operation were pressed together with variable force by the volute spring.? On inspection, though it seems the part is a rigid composite of three elements: two beveled disks, fixed to a hub, presumably with enough gap between them to accommodate loops of thread.? Do I have this right?? If so, de-corroding the part seems much more complicated - has anyone done so successfully?? Can the disks be pressed off the hub, cleaned and then the reassembled onto the hub?? Does anyone know the size of the gap between the disks on a working pulley?? Thanks in advance. Carl |
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Re: Miller's Cancer Update, Long
Miller, This is Dana from the TN TOGA.? Your good news is awesome.? Your bad news is FANTASTIC!? You and your wife are such a joy to be around. Always look forward to seeing you two at the TOGA. ? MERRY CHRISTMAS? to you and your family. Dana in NC PS:? After the holidays I will try to post pics of my "new" WW machines with questions. On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Miller Fulks <miller@...> wrote:
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Re: Miller's Cancer Update, Long
Diana Burrow
I appreciate all of your valuable knowledge of the W&W machines. I will keep you in my prayers.? On Dec 13, 2017 8:22 PM, "Julia Broughan" <ophirmama@...> wrote:
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Re: W&W No. 9 and D-9 feet
Sallie; The needles for the #9 & D-9 are identical exc, without the removal of this screw. ept for the self-setting flat on the D-9 needle. both have a 1.75 mm (0.069") shank diameter with a length to eye of 38.9 mm (1.531"). Due to the alignment screw beneath the sleeve on the D-9s which is at the lower end of the needlebar they will not accept the round shank needles without the removal of this screw. It is staked in very securely & is quite difficult to remove without cutting out the stakes. Depending on the actual length of the clamp screw on the #9 machines some of them will clamp the needle with flat while others won't. Of my three #9s only one will. For my #9s I normally use a modern industrial DBx1 needle which has a round shank of 1.64 mm (0.065") with length to eye of 33.9 mm. Thus it has to be both pulled down & have the eye aligned, neither of which is a big deal once you learn it. I order the DBx1 needles from E-Bay for very reasonable prices. The D-9 machines I have will not accept this needle either, however I have a Singer 9W7 which will. Its alignment is just enough shorter than the D-9s to allow the DBx1 to slip past, so I use these for it also & save my original needles for special purposes. You were very fortunate to get that large stash of needles with your machine as in my experience the needles with flat are normally harder to find than the round shank ones. The round shank needles were used on some of the W&W industrial machines & seem to have stayed in production for a longer period of time than the needle with flat. There is also a 128x1 needle which has the 1.75 mm shank of the W&W needles but the shorter 33.9 mm length. It is still being produced & while priced resonable is generally a bit higher tan the DBx1, which I use. It was in fact a W&W industrial needle which was used on more machines than the longer 126x1 needle so has stayed in production still yet, my actualy be some machines still in use using this needle. Remember Singer kept the Bridgeport factory in use for many years after purchsing W&W & continued many of the W&W industrial machines in production for a long time. Miller/TN |
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Re: W&W No. 9 and D-9 feet
Thanks, Miller! ?Good to know about the interchangeable feet, because I *just* bought a D-9 head with fabulous decals, a bobbin and a straight-stitch foot. I'm crazy about the decals, although the No. 9 I have is a beauty in other ways: ?nice cabinet, all the original attachments and a lots duplicates, lots of needles, 3 glass inserts, an oil can, a very nice manual, an extra nice manual in German(!), 4 Boye needle cases, a lithographed No. 9 attachment box... Among other things, there is also a nice 6-inch walnut stick with a sharp bevel on the end that I think is a wee hand press to quickly open seams such as those on patches for quilts. |
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Re: Miller's Cancer Update, Long
Julia Broughan
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFantastic news, on both issues.Keep fighting ? Julie? On Dec 13, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Black Family <black.smds@...> wrote:
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Re: W&W No. 9 and D-9 feet
Hi Sallie; Yes, actually the feet for the #8, #9 & D-9 are all dimensionally the same, they can thus be interchanged. The #8 feet have just a hole in them so the clamp screw has to be removed to change them, the #9 feet as you noted insert from the right while the D-9 feet insert from the left. On the #8 virtually all changing was done by inserting into the cleft foot so the actual shank was seldom changed. On the #9 a metal regular straight stitch foot was added with its own shank & also the wide adjustable hemmer replaced the individual hemmers except for the narrow one. this hemmer also had its own shank so the feet were slotted for easier removal. The thread cutter interfered with removing to the left so they removed to the right. The D-9 is seldom seen with the insert foot, all the feet having their own shank, so my thinking goes along with yours. The foot is easier changed by holding it in yor left hand & inserting from that side & workIng the clamp screw with your hand. I can't positively say that's what W&W had in mind when they made the change but anyway they relocated the thread cutter & swapped sides with the notch so the feet would insert from the left. The #8 nor the D-d will accept feet with the notch in either side. The #9 however will only take feet inserting from the right unless you remove the thread cutter, or take out the clamp screw when you can then insert from the right & replace the screw. Any way as I said feet from all three of these models CAN be used on any of the three models by a bit of manipulation as all other dimensions are identical, at least that is the case on the ones I have & they cover a pretty broad range of the models. Miller/TN On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 5:26 PM, SallieB via Groups.Io <suethebums@...> wrote: I have a set of No. 9 feet plus lots of binder and hemmer attachments that slip into the foot that holds the glass inserts. They are inserted into the presser bar from the right to the left, with the slot on the left of the foot. I see that the D-9 feet feet onto the presser bar from the opposite side, with the slot on the right. Is it possible that all the feet of one will fit onto the other--that the change was made for the D-9 simply to hold the foot with the left hand while the screw was tightened with the right hand?? If one of you has both machines, could you check for me?? ?Thanks! SallieB. |
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Miller's Cancer Update, Long
Hi All; I am on 5 different forums so am doing a form letter I can copy & paste to all. I went back to Vanderbilt University Medical Center Hospital, Clinic for my 4th Chemo treatment Mon Dec 11th. Had to be there at 8:00 AM but early morning traffic can be horrendous at that time of day coming in on the interstate so we had to leave rather early to be sure we got there on time (About 80 miles one way). My oldest Daughter drives my Wife & I so my Wife doesn't have to drive me by herself. Started with blood work, then had to go to Radiology in the Hosp area for a PET Scan. This was followed by a Lumbar Infusion which injects medicine into a joint in my spinal column, doesn't go into the spinal cord so relatively safe & hardly no pain, just one stick with a needle which goes into a sac in the joint. This feeds medicine into the spinal cord & on up into my brain to kill any cancer cells which may try to enter them. Ate a bite of lunch & then went for my Drs appointment at 1:00 PM. She had the results from the PET Scan. ? Have good news & bad news. Good news is it appears The Chemo is doing its job, no shiny spots appeared on the X-Rays from the scan as they did prior to my treatments which indicate cancer cells. Bad News is looks as if Y'all may have to put up with me for a Spell Yet (Yep I'm a "Southern" Middle Tennessee Redneck HillBilly). Even though when it comes to Alcohol I am a Teetotaler I live in the heart of Jack Daniel country. About 7 mile by road, likely about 5 as the Crow Flies, as they say. When there is a gentle breeze blowing from the South West (predominant direction for this location) I can step out in my yard & smell the Sour Mash a-brewing. ? I was set up for 6 treatments & will continue with the following two to be safe. Next one is sceduled for Jan 3rd, 2018. Last one will be around Jan 22, though we have not had this date confirmed yet. Have been having them on Mondays 3 weeks apart but of course one was not scheduled for New Years day so was put off to Wed the 3rd. Will likely have another PET Scan around 3 weeks following my last treatment & hopefully that one will confirm I am again in remission. Amazingly one of the clinic personal who administered one of my treatments was the same lady who treated me 30 years ago when I went through this then. I told her I though that was a good omen as she pulled me through before, I was counting on her doing it again. She has only treated me the one time, but I did see her yesterday & gave her a big hug. She is set to retire in about a year she said. |
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W&W No. 9 and D-9 feet
SallieB
I have a set of No. 9 feet plus lots of binder and hemmer attachments that slip into the foot that holds the glass inserts. They are inserted into the presser bar from the right to the left, with the slot on the left of the foot.
I see that the D-9 feet feet onto the presser bar from the opposite side, with the slot on the right. Is it possible that all the feet of one will fit onto the other--that the change was made for the D-9 simply to hold the foot with the left hand while the screw was tightened with the right hand?? If one of you has both machines, could you check for me?? ?Thanks! SallieB. |
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Re: Intro
Miller, Just wanted to send my appreciation for all you do for the sewing machine community. Hoping that you are getting a handle on the cancer and the meds are not getting you down. As a breast cancer survivor, after surgeries, chemo and radiation, I understand how tough it can be. Hope you have a great Holiday season. Sincerely, John Wrobel From: Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Intro Hi & Welcome; I have never seen a W&W bobbin cover with? spring underneath like that. Can you send some pictures of it? The underneath springs sound very much like a Singer bobbin cover. I have never checked a Singer plate for size compatibility with the D-9?plate. If it otherwise fits you could just take the spring off & use it until you can find the proper plate. Most W&W bobbin covers just depend on a tight fit to hold them in while some have a slit cut a bit inside the back edge with one open end. the resulting finger is spread a bit to provide tension.? I have a very early D-9 with this type of plate. Also its width (front to back) is compatible with a #9, my other D-9s all have a different width plate, narrower as I recall than a #9. Miller/TN Show original message |
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Re: Intro
Miller, I measured the two needle plates I have. they measure: 1.648 in. x 2.498 in for the dirty one 1.773 in. x 2.498 in. for the clean one both measure 0.063 thick. (I could make one) the space between the channels on my machine # 2527178 is 2.563 making the plates a little sloppy in my machine. The dirty one is the one I got on ebay, and it is stamped with part numbers.? 202206 on the plate and 202207 on the spring. also the clean on has the spring held on by two screws while the dirty one has its spring riveted on.? also the spring on dirty on is slightly different than the other in that the ends are twisted slightly, probably to make it easier to insert. I am also attaching a couple of photos. If you want I can dig up the S/N for the machine that the clean needle plate actually came from, but it is at a different location. I have a few pics of my Davis New Style rotary if you are interested. From: Miller Fulks <mmf38@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] Intro Hi & Welcome; I have never seen a W&W bobbin cover with? spring underneath like that. Can you send some pictures of it? The underneath springs sound very much like a Singer bobbin cover. I have never checked a Singer plate for size compatibility with the D-9?plate. If it otherwise fits you could just take the spring off & use it until you can find the proper plate. Most W&W bobbin covers just depend on a tight fit to hold them in while some have a slit cut a bit inside the back edge with one open end. the resulting finger is spread a bit to provide tension.? I have a very early D-9 with this type of plate. Also its width (front to back) is compatible with a #9, my other D-9s all have a different width plate, narrower as I recall than a #9. Miller/TN Show original message |
Kim Fleming
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