Hi Brenda; The W&W #8 was produced from approximately 1878 to 1889. Unfortunately we have no SN records of them as we do on Singer machines. I have copies of a couple of Bill of sales that help narrow it a bit. Problem here of course is we don't know how long a period existed from them leaving the factory until they were actually sold at retail. First one is SN 327,542 & is simply dated 1883 2nd one is SN 509,994 & is dated Sept 15 1885. Your 5-digit SN is obviously much earlier than either of these. Also most #8 machines will be found with a patent date of Aug 27, 1878 on them. They may well have already had a good number of plates made up prior to the issuance of the 1878 patents (two in fact on the same day) so we can't really say it was made prior to that patent date. My best guess though is it was made no later than 1879. Miller/TN
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My W&W no. 8 is finally up amd sewing. Now trying to figure out what year it was possibly made. Serial number 83727 dates of 1872, 73, and 76. Unable to find anything on the 8, so any help would be appreciated.? Thanks?
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Thanks Miller.? I'm looking forward to when I actually have it in my hands.?
Cheryl
From: "Miller Fulks" <mmf38@...> To: "Wheeler and Wilson-Sewing-Machines" < [email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:50:30 PM Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] bobbins
Cheryl; This would be one which takes the larger (1.0") bobbins. Also it was originally in a treadle as it doesn't have a machine mounted bobbin winder. On these earlier machines in a treadle the bobbin winder was mounted down on the irons & was driven by the band wheel. On most handcranks & some late model treadles the winder was mounted up on the machine bed. On some handcranks it was mounted on the crank itself.? Miller/TN
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Cheryl; This would be one which takes the larger (1.0") bobbins. Also it was originally in a treadle as it doesn't have a machine mounted bobbin winder. On these earlier machines in a treadle the bobbin winder was mounted down on the irons & was driven by the band wheel. On most handcranks & some late model treadles the winder was mounted up on the machine bed. On some handcranks it was mounted on the crank itself.? Miller/TN
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Thanks for the great info, Miller.?
Those are the pictures I took of my new machine, shortly before I purchased it.? I won't get it until Aug 11th.? I'll get better pictures then.
I'm hoping that the bobbins from Brenda will work with this machine.?
Cheryl in Illinois
From: "Miller Fulks" <miller@...> To: "Wheeler and Wilson-Sewing-Machines" < [email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 6:59:09 PM Subject: Re: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] bobbins
Most #8 bobbins are 1.0" (25.4mm) in diameter & just under 1/4" thick. Both the #9 & D-9 bobbins are .866" (21.2mm) in diameter but thicker.The D-9 bobbin is a bit thicker than the #9. The #9 bobbin is smooth sided while the D-9 bobbin has a single hole in each side. With some adjustments the #9 & D-9 bobbins can sometimes be interchanged. Very late #8 machines used the same bobbin holder & bobbin as early #9 machines. Most #8 machines sold in the USA were treadles, with handcranks being primarily export machines. There were two types of hand cranks made for them.? On one type the crank assembly attached to the pillar of the machine.? Unless the machine was actually built for one it will require a cut being made on the machine pillar & holes drilled & tapped where it fits, also the belt pulley has to be replaced by a gear.?? Most US machines were not fitted for the crank.?
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Most #8 bobbins are 1.0" (25.4mm) in diameter & just under 1/4" thick. Both the #9 & D-9 bobbins are .866" (21.2mm) in diameter but thicker.The D-9 bobbin is a bit thicker than the #9. The #9 bobbin is smooth sided while the D-9 bobbin has a single hole in each side. With some adjustments the #9 & D-9 bobbins can sometimes be interchanged. Very late #8 machines used the same bobbin holder & bobbin as early #9 machines. Most #8 machines sold in the USA were treadles, with handcranks being primarily export machines. There were two types of hand cranks made for them.? On one type the crank assembly attached to the pillar of the machine.? Unless the machine was actually built for one it will require a cut being made on the machine pillar & holes drilled & tapped where it fits, also the belt pulley has to be replaced by a gear.?? Most US machines were not fitted for the crank.?
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No, too big around for my D 9 so must be for the 8.
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On Friday, July 29, 2016, A.V.S. < anthonysalazarjr@...> wrote: Hi Brenda, They may be for the Early No.9, or for the No.8. If they are thinner and bigger around than the d9 bobbins they are for the No.8. I have 3 Early9 bobbins and I run them in my d9 without trouble. Do they fit your D9 bobbin case?
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Anthony from N. California
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Hi Brenda, They may be for the Early No.9, or for the No.8. If they are thinner and bigger around than the d9 bobbins they are for the No.8. I have 3 Early9 bobbins and I run them in my d9 without trouble. Do they fit your D9 bobbin case?
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Anthony from N. California
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I'll be picking up my new (to me) Wheeler and Wilson #8 in two weeks.? It only has one bobbin, and nothing else came with it.? It's missing the hand crank, too.? Does anyone know of a hand crank for this model somewhere?? I already figured that I'd probably never find one, but, hey, it never hurts to look or ask.? I'd be interested in a couple of bobbins.
Cheryl in Illinois
From: "Brenda Stultz" <bjstultz99@...> To: "Wheeler and Wilson-Sewing-Machines" < [email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 2:19:34 PM Subject: [Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines] bobbins
I bought some bagel bobbins I thought would fit my?D9, but they are slightly bigger around and lack the hole that is in my D9 bobbins.? I learned they may be for an early 9 or 8. Anyone need these?
Brenda
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I bought some bagel bobbins I thought would fit my?D9, but they are slightly bigger around and lack the hole that is in my D9 bobbins.? I learned they may be for an early 9 or 8. Anyone need these?
Brenda
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Congrats Stephen. Sounds like you acquired a great deal. Attachment, manual
and needles, WOW!
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Maria
Smoky Mountains of Tennessee
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Re: Another Wheeler&Wilson 8
Thanks Miller....appreciate all the info. ? Yes this is later than my other Wheeler&Wilson 8 ? These are great machines! ? ? Mary T
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
Steve; A lot of the W&W cabinets were made of walnut. Other woods however were available. It would certainly be possible the cabinet could have been made from either mahogany or rosewood. About the only way I know to determine for certain would be to have someone very knowledgeable on woods to examine it directly.? Miller/TN?
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
Hello everyone ,
I have not been posting for some time simply because other stuff took over and it's only now that I have my sewing room starting to get organised to display my collection and use for sewing that my thoughts are coming back to my own WW table and machines.?
Strangely enough I had never come across a WW? machine here in Ireland and when I got the chance to purchase the table with 7 drawers but no machine I then looked to the USA to find the machine head to match the table.?
My table is the same as the Florida advert one except for 6 side drawers.
To Miller or someone else with with similar knowledge I have to ask , is the table Rosewood or mahogany.?
All I know is it appears to be solid and not veneered like the Singer ones are.?
The strange part to my WW story is that a couple of weeks after getting the table a WW 9 appeared here with its cover and also an instruction book and also a very complete roll top equipment box for it including a Boye needle tube full of needles .?
So now I have both the static 9 in table and the portable 9 to match it as a lady on here sold me one which a close friend who works in Louisiana brought back to Ireland to me.?
Best wishes to everyone.?
Stephen in Ireland ( where we had a week of sunshine in May and the sun and the clouds have been doing battle ever since.
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
The one Lee posted from Florida is a D-9. Note in the picture of the right side plate it has the D-9 marking on it. It also has an 1892 patent date & a 7-digit serial number. ?#9 serial numbers did not exceed 6 digits, but when the D-9 was introduced they went to a 7-digit number with the first digit being a 2 & stamped the plate with the D-9 mark.? Miller/TN
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
It never ceases to amaze me how many people list the patent date on a machine as the manufacturing date & even then how many will list the first one rather than the last one. With a patent date of Mar 25, 1890 listed it's obvious this machine was built later than that date. It is an extremely nice looking #9, it's not a D-9. That would put it built between 1890-1895. ?If I had to venture a guess I would say "Probably" around 1891. Miller/TN
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
Here is one in lakeland florida
Lee
whose ever it is, the date is not correct
judy in so cal
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Re: D-9 for sale in Boston area
whose ever it is, the date is not correct
judy in so cal
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D-9 for sale in Boston area
Hope it's ok to post this.? It's not mine. Liz
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