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Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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Yes please ADHOOM?post pics of the inserts. I have pods on my W and have drawn a child's cotton sock over the pods, sprayed with light can oil to improve filtering. You may have to shim the carb needle and put in a slightly larger pilot and main jet in each carb. I have Posh aftermarket exhausts and pods, and the carb had to be enriched due to the more effortless flow, which leaned the standard carb mix. Den s?n. 6. nov. 2022 kl. 13.26 skrev ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...>:
Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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I run a custom made 2 into 2 exhaust with 1.5” pipes and straight through baffles which is probably a little too free flowing. I’ve had to up the jet size plenty. Was running 38 pilot’s but have just ordered 40’s which should be spot on hopefully and cut the popping down on deceleration down to an angry crackle. Put in a pair of Dynojet needles and springs from their stage one kit as well so I can tweak the midrange easier. If you wanna use the standard needles I’d recommend putting a couple of washers under the longer one if you haven’t already noticed ones longer than the other. Had made my way up to 132’s on the main jets but they’re still way to small so have ordered 140, 145, and 148’s. Will post pics of the setup and where I end up with the tuning once I’m done.?
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On 6/11/2022, at 8:36 PM, Peter Wainwright <pete.wainwright.nz@...> wrote:
? Yes please ADHOOM?post pics of the inserts. I have pods on my W and have drawn a child's cotton sock over the pods, sprayed with light can oil to improve filtering. You may have to shim the carb needle and put in a slightly larger pilot and main jet in each carb. I have Posh aftermarket exhausts and pods, and the carb had to be enriched due to the more effortless flow, which leaned the standard carb mix. Den s?n. 6. nov. 2022 kl. 13.26 skrev ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...>: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:26 PM, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote:
Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
I didn’t think the throttle sensor was part of the “kickstand safety feature” at all (neutral switch and clutch switch, yes). ? Happy to stand corrected on that, though.
I never know if my replies with attachments are going to work… these pics help? ?According to my parts manual, all eight float bowl screws are the same size, but maybe one or more are longer? ?Perhaps where the idle adjuster knob bracket attaches? ?It’s been so long since I’ve had my carbs off, I can’t remember.
Hey, that right-side bowl looks like it might be cracked? It isn’t, though...
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Thanks Matthew!
I hadn’t considered a clutch switch. I know it kills power once a gear is engaged and you try to take off with the kickstand down so was thinking that maybe that was what the throttle sensor was for. I also had been informed that if the throttle sensor is taken off it’s a bitch to put back properly. Clutch switch for the kickstand safety would make more sense though.?
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? On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:26 PM, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote:
Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
I didn’t think the throttle sensor was part of the “kickstand safety feature” at all (neutral switch and clutch switch, yes). ? Happy to stand corrected on that, though.
I never know if my replies with attachments are going to work… these pics help? ?According to my parts manual, all eight float bowl screws are the same size, but maybe one or more are longer? ?Perhaps where the idle adjuster knob bracket attaches? ?It’s been so long since I’ve had my carbs off, I can’t remember.
Hey, that right-side bowl looks like it might be cracked? It isn’t, though...
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Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding.
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
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On 7/11/2022, at 9:27 PM, Ding <vocationalassessment@...> wrote:
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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?I had the throttle position sensor fail on mine.
I would ride a few minutes and get up on the highway and it
would die like it was out of gas. Wait a few minutes it would
start right up. At first I thought possibly the fuel tank vent
wasn't venting and it was pulling a vacuum in the tank. I opened
the fuel cap and it started up. I soon realized that didn't have
anything to do with it. Somewhere I read to check the TPS. I
ordered a test harness (part # in the service manual) and it was
out of spec and couldn't be adjusted. Ordered a new one, set it
with the test harness (in ohms) and it's been fine since.
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Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ??
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Ding,
I think I found the same thing when I originally looked at removing my key barrel as well now that I think about it. The screws at the bottom were some sort of security ones. I just uploaded a pdf copy of the service and repair manual to dropbox:
You might be able to find something in there helpful. I would try some wd40 or some silicon spray and also spray it down the key barrel as well. It's ammazing how easily a key turns when lubricated well. I thought my front door key was fornicated till I was advised to spray some silicon in to it.
Lemme know how you get on.
Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ??
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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Cheers for the advice, I have a copy of the manual and couldn't find the ignition barrel in there at all.
Problem I have is it spins in the barrel but does nothing. Meanwhile the Steering Lock remains on wherever the key is positioned. It?does click in when I turn it and then?it becomes much harder to move it again.
As soon as its "free" the cylinder rotates but does nothing?
Detached?from the sensors at the bottom maybe. Hard to diagnose without it being in the manual.
Thanks again Ding
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 14:03, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
I think I found the same thing when I originally looked at removing my key barrel as well now that I think about it. The screws at the bottom were some sort of security ones. I just uploaded a pdf copy of the service and repair manual to dropbox:
You might be able to find something in there helpful. I would try some wd40 or some silicon spray and also spray it down the key barrel as well. It's ammazing how easily a key turns when lubricated well. I thought my front door key was fornicated till I was advised to spray some silicon in to it.
Lemme know how you get on.
Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ??
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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For those that were interested below are the inserts I made to help with tuning the standard CV carbs to facilitate using pod filters and deleting the air box:
Started with a 120mm aluminium intercooler connecter pipe which had a 2” (50.8mm) diameter with the flares coming out to just under 54mm (or 2 and 1/8”)
I cut it in half and cut the ends off to the peak of the flares and gave the lips a good sanding.
They matched up to the carb mouths almost perfectly.?
Once inside the filters they reduce they sit two thirds of the way in so still allow for far more then standard airflow but hopefully should keep the flow steady so that the jet needle and slide aren’t jumping about. Just going to fit them now so will post an update of how it worked out later.?
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On 8/11/2022, at 2:09 PM, Ding <vocationalassessment@...> wrote:
? Cheers for the advice, I have a copy of the manual and couldn't find the ignition barrel in there at all.
Problem I have is it spins in the barrel but does nothing. Meanwhile the Steering Lock remains on wherever the key is positioned. It?does click in when I turn it and then?it becomes much harder to move it again.
As soon as its "free" the cylinder rotates but does nothing?
Detached?from the sensors at the bottom maybe. Hard to diagnose without it being in the manual.
Thanks again Ding On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 14:03, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
I think I found the same thing when I originally looked at removing my key barrel as well now that I think about it. The screws at the bottom were some sort of security ones. I just uploaded a pdf copy of the service and repair manual to dropbox:
You might be able to find something in there helpful. I would try some wd40 or some silicon spray and also spray it down the key barrel as well. It's ammazing how easily a key turns when lubricated well. I thought my front door key was fornicated till I was advised to spray some silicon in to it.
Lemme know how you get on.
Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ??
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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I had the same with my ignition barrel. The bolts are a special head and not supposed to be able to get them out. Mine started to back out. Look up under the barrel to see if they r backing out.?
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On Nov 7, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Ding <vocationalassessment@...> wrote:
? Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ?? On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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Thanks for the info on the velocity stacks!!
Be interested to know what jetting works for you.
I pulled the ignition out and am now left with a plastic disk. My key for now is my thumbnail. Lol
Just figuring if I want a separate toggle switch or a dial that connects to the original ignition "disk" either in the headlight? or moved to the side panel. Fancy the headlight with a dial if I can find something that will work.
And space for a little smiths replica speedo - dont think a tacho is needed.
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 at 11:31, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: For those that were interested below are the inserts I made to help with tuning the standard CV carbs to facilitate using pod filters and deleting the air box:
Started with a 120mm aluminium intercooler connecter pipe which had a 2” (50.8mm) diameter with the flares coming out to just under 54mm (or 2 and 1/8”)
I cut it in half and cut the ends off to the peak of the flares and gave the lips a good sanding.
They matched up to the carb mouths almost perfectly.?
Once inside the filters they reduce they sit two thirds of the way in so still allow for far more then standard airflow but hopefully should keep the flow steady so that the jet needle and slide aren’t jumping about. Just going to fit them now so will post an update of how it worked out later.? ? Cheers for the advice, I have a copy of the manual and couldn't find the ignition barrel in there at all.
Problem I have is it spins in the barrel but does nothing. Meanwhile the Steering Lock remains on wherever the key is positioned. It?does click in when I turn it and then?it becomes much harder to move it again.
As soon as its "free" the cylinder rotates but does nothing?
Detached?from the sensors at the bottom maybe. Hard to diagnose without it being in the manual.
Thanks again Ding On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 at 14:03, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
I think I found the same thing when I originally looked at removing my key barrel as well now that I think about it. The screws at the bottom were some sort of security ones. I just uploaded a pdf copy of the service and repair manual to dropbox:
You might be able to find something in there helpful. I would try some wd40 or some silicon spray and also spray it down the key barrel as well. It's ammazing how easily a key turns when lubricated well. I thought my front door key was fornicated till I was advised to spray some silicon in to it.
Lemme know how you get on.
Thanks for replying, there is of course no info on how to remove the ignition barrel in the manual. - Stopping thieves I guess. Looks like the screws are one use snap off underneath the barrel too - may look to see if I can grease the pin in situ??
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 at 22:37, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi Ding,
Off the top of my head I think the key pushes out a pin to lock the steering so the key might be moving back and forward but the pin is stuck and therefore not returning. You might find once you remove the barrel assembly it just needs a little jiggle and some lube… though personally I’ve been considering removing the barrel and hiding a kill switch too.?
I’m not a fan of the overly large dash and want to cut back to just a single small Speedo which I think would look nice nested where the key currently resides. Just grind the loop off of the top tree and you’ve got a nice little half round recess.?
Had the aluminium tube arrive today and should hopefully be taking it to my friends workshop tomorrow to cut it to size. Will post pics once I’m done.?
? Would be very keen to hear how your Pod filters are going - cant help with the throttle sensor though I am afraid.
Had a weird?issue with the ignition barrel though. Key turns, but does nothing and the steering lock is now on permanently!. Thinking of removing the whole shebang and hiding a kill switch.
What do you reckon?
Cheers for your time.?
Ding. On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 at 13:26, ADHDOOM < adhdoom@...> wrote: Hi peeps,
Got a couple of quick questions/requests that I'm hoping someone on here has the technical knowledge/effort to spare to answer for me:
Firstly does the throttle sensor adjust the timing when the bike is in use or is it just there to facilitate the function of the kickstand safety feature? I know that when the kickstand is still down and you drive to rev it kills the power so obviously the throttle sensor is involved in this feature but does it actually do anything else? If the kickstand safety feature was removed along with any associated elements could the throttle sensor then also be removed? I've played round with bikes that have CDI ignition systems like this before and none of the earlier bikes I've messed with have had or needed a throttle sensor so I am curious to know if the kickstand safety kill is all that it is there for.
Secondly would someone be able to post me a pic of the underside of the carbs? I had my float bowls off and was about to start putting them back on and have found a fifth slightly longer screw that I am not sure actually came off of the carb or is simply one that was left on my bench when I started.
Also I am in the process of fitting pod filters to the standard CV carbs and am trying a custom trick of making some short aluminum tube inserts to sit inside the pod filter that reduce ever so slightly to create a restriction and therefore maintain the constant velocity required to keep these carbs working as they should. If anyone's interested I'll post up pics of my custom inserts and of the results of how it runs etc... and before anyone says why am I putting pod filters on and to just leave the standard air box it's because I am going to start modifying the frame so there is no room for the standard airbox.
Thanks in advance!
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