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Seeking advice on long-term storage
picka48
Hi all,
I have been with the group for about a year now and read a lot about the W650 on this forum and elsewhere. I thought of waiting until retirement (4-5 years) to get one but now, after 2 years of waiting, I'm changing my tune and planning to get one next spring. I live in Montreal (Canada) but have a small apartment in South of France where my wife and I go for 5-6 weeks a year (that is until retirement, after that it will be for 6 months a year (I hate the cold winters)). I keep a scooter there for our transportation and put it in storage for the rest of the year in my sister's garage nearby. I've stored it lifting it on blocks, with a full gas tank, the carburetor drained, injecting oil in the cylinder, plugging the exhaust pipe and putting the battery on a charger. I had absolutely no problems with it when starting it this spring, so again I've put it away in the same manner this year. From your experience, would that treatment be ok for a W or would the motorcycle deteriorate not being used more than that (we travel about 1000 km in those 5-6 weeks) for the next 4-5 years? Would turning the motor over with the kick start a couple of times during the winter help? Any other ideas? I would appreciate all your comments. Thanks. Robert |
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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension
开云体育Actually, I'm as ignorant about suspension are you, and
blindly make changes as suggested by others, and am by no means suspension tech
savvy.
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I'd say if it feels fine, go with that.
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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension
Ruari McLennan
Thank you, Dennis! It says Wheel travel, that must be the same thing
as fork travel! Never noticed, I was looking under the Suspension chapter. So at 50mm sag, I'm at 38.5% of full travel on the front. Perhaps a little looser than ideal. Don't know if it's worth tinkering with it, with longer than stock spacers, I don't think so - it feels fine to me. What do you think? I note also that rear wheel travel is listed in the manual at 105 mm, so my 27mm sag measurement is 26% of that, again in the ballpark, if not bang on there, with the Hagons. You'll recall it's about 33% of the listed shock travel. Thanks! Ruari --- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...> wrote: travel on the Hagon 33007s is 3.2", so total sag of 27 mm is actually33% of that, bang on the money! (or close enough)One should look at 25-33% of that as a rough rule of thumb for sag,too, he says.speed springing. Once the spring starts to compress it compresses atthe normal rate irrespective of preload settings because springscompress linearly. |
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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension
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Re: Chain tension
开云体育Rob
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See this for proper master link assembly;
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Get a DID X-Ring chain, they're the best and will last the
longest. Make sure the master link is included. Try to buy one that is already
cut to the proper length (number of rollers).
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Here's more info than you'll probably ever need to know about
sprockets and chains. This is for a BMW F650, ignore the F650 specific install
notes. Lots of good stuff;
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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension
Ruari McLennan
OK, I called Dave Quinn re the rear shocks and found that the travel
on the Hagon 33007s is 3.2", so total sag of 27 mm is actually 33% of that, bang on the money! (or close enough) But, I cannot find any info as to the front fork travel, which he says is usually in the service or owners manual specifications. One should look at 25-33% of that as a rough rule of thumb for sag, too, he says. Does anyone have any ideas? Ruari --- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote: when you are moving the ring up to squash the spring you are increasing pre-load. Bear in mind all you do is limit the low speed springing. Once the spring starts to compress it compresses at the normal rate irrespective of preload settings because springs compress linearly. W650 preload "sag." They are not terribly familiar with older style bikes, they area sportbike/racer shop. rear classic shocks. I weigh 198 lbs dry and 217 on the bike with gear.sportbikes. My results were: Front 50 mm.; and rear 27 mm. measurements are applicable here, particularly when the W650 rear shocks are so vertical by comparison.
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NWC: motorcycle sales site
开云体育I got a flyer about this site from the AMA. I've
never seen it before, so don't know if it's news to anyone else.
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Lots of motorcycles for sale. Free
listings.
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gene in OR
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Re: Chain tension
Martin Taylor
1. if the teeth are hooked i.e. very worn on the pointy bit.. best to replace.If the sprockets are symmetrical the tight spot on your chain is probably either siezure of that part of the linkage or stretching due to heavy sudden accelaration.
2. the useage of the chain is exactly the same as a closed chain. The only important thing to remember is that the closed end of the spring clip which seals the join on the new chain is in the direction of travel. If the open end of the spring clip faces the direction of travel the whole thing will pull apart. 3. I have fitted a scottoiler to my W and this keeps the chain lubricated. They are fairly easy to fit and seem to do the job. I have had mine for about 2000 miles. ________________________________ From: W650riders@... on behalf of zottomagic Sent: Thu 05/07/2007 18:26 To: W650riders@... Subject: [W650riders] Re: Chain tension Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried a master link chain - anything different about them in use? (e.g. lifetime, lube/clean, etc). What should I look for on the sprockets? The teeth seem symmetric (leading & trailing edges look the same). Any recommendations for a particular chain or supplier? / Rob --- In W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> , "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...> wrote: the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the sprockets out and replace if necessary. |
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Re: W's look like.....
Roy Easthill
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Re: How I spent the 4th of July
Anita Reid
Should've stayed in bed. LOL
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Re: Update on the front wheel shimmy.
Don't know about the RoadRiders. They are a new tyre since the UK company got bought out. Let us know how they fare!
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From: "pete7953" <peter.sluman@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: [W650riders] Update on the front wheel shimmy. Thanks again to all the inputs on this. I'm pleased to report that with |
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Re: Chain tension
I use DID 'X' ring. It has rubber seals to keep crap out of the joints, only needs a light oiling to keep nice, doesn't stretch, and doesn't therefore hook the sprockets or need adjustment. It's designed for much more powerful bikes so the W hardly bothers it at all. Spend money on the over-engineered expensive good stuff and it seems you only spend once!
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Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried |
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Re: How to remove the front wheel.
Larry Botheras
开云体育…not part of the tool kit.? You need to buy one… ? ? Larry Botheras ? Essex UK W650 Wrench 2007 Moto Guzzi Norge 1977 KH400 1978 CD175 1994 Ural Solo ? ? ? From: W650riders@...
[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of pete7953
Sent: 05 July 2007 18:30 To: W650riders@... Subject: [W650riders] Re: How to remove the front wheel. ? Thanks for that info. Now, I wonder where the
hex driver from the |
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Update on the front wheel shimmy.
pete7953
Thanks again to all the inputs on this. I'm pleased to report that with
a new front tyre, that matches the new rear, the shimmy has gone! For the record, I've fitted Avon Roadriders, and even on a gentle scrubbing in ride the bike seems transformed. Thanks Pete |
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Re: How I spent the 4th of July
开云体育LOL! You understand I'm laughing WITH you, not AT
you.?? ;->
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Happy 5th Keith. Hope it goes better today. How was
the lunch special?
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gene in OR
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Re: How to remove the front wheel.
pete7953
Thanks for that info. Now, I wonder where the hex driver from the
tool kit has gone? I've never opened it until now, so maybe the previous owner(s) kept hold of it. Bugger. --- In W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...> wrote: lift the front wheel off the ground, then using large hex driver from tool kit, undo the right hand hex (looking towards the front of the bike) leave the other one tight until you have unwound the right handpart of the spindle. Then loosen the left hand one, pull out the spindle and the wheel will come out easily. Note that the spacers on either side of the wheel are different sizes and need to go back in the same side they came out from. When you try and reinstate the wheel, take the weight off the back of the bike, put the spacers either side of the wheel, gently pull the bike down onto the wheel and then isert the spindle again. Tighten the left hand hex first, then the right hand one. Job done...BEFORE riding off, pump the front brake a few times otherwise you will get a nasty surprise. ________________________________problem. hopefully when I get a new front tyre to match the new rear, itwill go away. However, until then, I have just tried to get the front wheelout but it looks like 2 rather large hex wrenches are required. Is oneside a 'bolt' and the other a 'nut', or are both fixings 'nuts' I alsosadly, there are no wrenches in the tool kit. |
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Re: Chain tension
Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried
a master link chain - anything different about them in use? (e.g. lifetime, lube/clean, etc). What should I look for on the sprockets? The teeth seem symmetric (leading & trailing edges look the same). Any recommendations for a particular chain or supplier? / Rob --- In W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...> wrote: the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the sprockets out and replace if necessary. |
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Re: W's look like.....
jimmi mc gaw
one of scotlands finest (retired } can always get a MOT
--- In W650riders@..., "Ruari McLennan" <r.mclennan@...> wrote: I hear your brother enjoys doing your MOT work these days.enclosed places or closed in streets.whenScares the hell out of the cattle and sheep on the country roads there's nobody about and I can wind it up (but I've got an oldscore to settle with them anyway).No problem with the 3 MOT's I've had since I fitted them. |
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Re: CL W650 Petition ?
Kirk Johnson
Vernon, I went to Craigslist - Los Angeles - Motorcycles, then entered W650. ? I do not know how to do a national Craiglslist search. Kirk jv_roberts2000 wrote:
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