Great stories, Nige! My dad got despatch rider training in WWII in England and I also recall him talking about being trained to lay the bike down. He banged up his ankle sliding out on gravel on a hairpin on Box Hill, I think he said he was on an Indian, ended up in hospital next to a Canadian soldier with a broken leg, they escaped over the wall for a pub crawl one night bad legs in casts, crutches 'n all, got in big trouble. The friend later became a well-known Hollywood film and TV character actor, his name was Harry Beckman.

Ruari

Front wheel removal....Put a weight on the rear of the bike to lift the front wheel off the ground, then using large hex driver from tool kit, undo the right hand hex (looking towards the front of the bike)
leave the other one tight until you have unwound the right hand part of the spindle. Then loosen the left hand one, pull out the spindle and the wheel will come out easily. Note that the spacers on either side of the wheel are different sizes and need to go back in the same side they came out from. When you try and reinstate the wheel, take the weight off the back of the bike, put the spacers either side of the wheel, gently pull the bike down onto the wheel and then isert the spindle again. Tighten the left hand hex first, then the right hand one. Job done...BEFORE riding off, pump the front brake a few times otherwise you will get a nasty surprise.
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Sent: Wed 04/07/2007 18:14
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] How to remove the front wheel.



Firstly, thanks to everyone who replied with help on my shimmy problem.
hopefully when I get a new front tyre to match the new rear, it will go
away. However, until then, I have just tried to get the front wheel out
but it looks like 2 rather large hex wrenches are required. Is one side
a 'bolt' and the other a 'nut', or are both fixings 'nuts' I also
presume the 2 forward face hex socket screws come out as well. sadly,
there are no wrenches in the tool kit.

So what is the correct procedure for front wheel removal?

Thanks,

pete

Get a chain splitter, push the rivet out, attach the new chain to the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the sprockets out and replace if necessary.

________________________________

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Sent: Wed 04/07/2007 20:51
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Chain tension



Just noticed while lubing my chain:

Through most of the travel of the chain, I can turn the rear wheel
easily with a finger touch. The chain is actually a bit loose - 1.75"
play at the middle. Keep turning and it gets to a really tight spot -
it takes some effort (whole hand) to turn the wheel; the chain on top
and bottom is taught - almost no play - and as it settles into this
position, you can hear the chain creak a bit...

Not so good... Maybe that's why my W feels like it's working extra
hard...

Time for a new chain?

If so: the manual makes it sound like you have to take apart half the
bike - rear wheel, swing arm, etc... Do you folks usually do this
yourselves? (i.e. should I make the attempt myself, having never done
anything of this scale?). How long does it take?

Thanks!

- Rob

It's not that big a deal....Mine is too the top of the window. It hasn't used any and it doesn't seem to blow any out. I think it might have to be well above before you get problems.

Oops...LOL...yeah your right I checked the chain with her sitting on
it, with her moaning, and checked the oil with her holding one side of
the bike, with her moaning. But yeah the bike was off the stand, on
our garage floor and upright.

it is a bit over so I am going to try and get some out using a syringe
and tubing.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

I don't think it is required to have a rider on. I suppose that's OK

if it

sags the same amount front and rear...

I checked the bike off the stand, with the missus sitting on it, and
the oil sight window is full, although I am pretty certain that the
oil is only just over the top of the sight window.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:

Halfway up the window when the bike is dead level and upright. If

it is

overfull and you run at high speed it can blow oil vapour into the
airbox....but only a bit.

Mine doesn't seem to care!

Jon

Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high

level? my

oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again.

So where

is the upper limit?



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I suspect it was to get them on the ground ASAP... There are VERY few situations where a properly applied front brake won't stop you a hellova lot faster than sliding along in a shower of sparks.

Of course that assumes your motorcycle of choice has a half decent front brake....Or for this myth to propogate...Has had one in the past. ( potato potato)

Jon

I only decided to leave the crash bars on the bike to protect it
(engine casing etc); I didn't leave them on for my benefit.

The British Army used to use a skid pan to teach their despatch riders
to lay the bike down; whether that was to protect the riders from
enemy fire or it was thought to have other safety benefits I have no
idea.

Couple of little stories from my uncle's war days.

The first and probably his favourite was the time he was sent on
despatch. He came to a junction, the approach of which was manned by
an MP. My uncle asked directions and the MP replied that when he got
the junction my Unc' was to turn left, so of course my Unc' turned
left. However the MP was facing my Unc' when he told him, so my Unc'
turned his left, which was the Mp's right. After several miles he
started to wonder what the little plumes/spurts of dirt were that
where popping up around his bike, a few seconds later realisation hit
and he spun the bike round and hightailed out (well as fast as a WW2
Brit bike could hightail) away from the enemy machine gun fire that he
was encountering.

One for you Rauri...he spent times on secondment, he was in NI for a
bit as a batman/driver, cushy job, but most of his time was spent in
the field on active service, and one of these secondments was with the
Canadians; he loved it! Said they never called their officers by
anything except their first names and whilst they worked and fought
hard they also had a lot of laughs, he used to laugh until he cried at
the memories of one of the Canadian forage groups he went on. They
came across a big pig and decided pork should be on the menu, but one
of the Canadian wags decided to ride it rodeo style before they bopped
it on the head. Another time they came across a chteau and found a
load of big barrels in the cellar, the Canadian just smashed holes in
them and lay under them drinking the contents as it cascaded over
them; Unc' didn't partake as he was a strict Methodist but it didn't
stop him rolling about, cracking up at the memories :>)
--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> wrote:

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike
down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two

of them,

and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their

bikes

down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being
shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier

to rock

it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@> wrote:
>
> The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and
severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and
> severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good
reading.
>
> Jake
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@>
>
>
> Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
> the practicalities
>

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I don't think it is required to have a rider on. I suppose that's OK if it sags the same amount front and rear...

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I only decided to leave the crash bars on the bike to protect it
(engine casing etc); I didn't leave them on for my benefit.

The British Army used to use a skid pan to teach their despatch riders
to lay the bike down; whether that was to protect the riders from
enemy fire or it was thought to have other safety benefits I have no
idea.

Couple of little stories from my uncle's war days.

The first and probably his favourite was the time he was sent on
despatch. He came to a junction, the approach of which was manned by
an MP. My uncle asked directions and the MP replied that when he got
the junction my Unc' was to turn left, so of course my Unc' turned
left. However the MP was facing my Unc' when he told him, so my Unc'
turned his left, which was the Mp's right. After several miles he
started to wonder what the little plumes/spurts of dirt were that
where popping up around his bike, a few seconds later realisation hit
and he spun the bike round and hightailed out (well as fast as a WW2
Brit bike could hightail) away from the enemy machine gun fire that he
was encountering.

One for you Rauri...he spent times on secondment, he was in NI for a
bit as a batman/driver, cushy job, but most of his time was spent in
the field on active service, and one of these secondments was with the
Canadians; he loved it! Said they never called their officers by
anything except their first names and whilst they worked and fought
hard they also had a lot of laughs, he used to laugh until he cried at
the memories of one of the Canadian forage groups he went on. They
came across a big pig and decided pork should be on the menu, but one
of the Canadian wags decided to ride it rodeo style before they bopped
it on the head. Another time they came across a ch?teau and found a
load of big barrels in the cellar, the Canadian just smashed holes in
them and lay under them drinking the contents as it cascaded over
them; Unc' didn't partake as he was a strict Methodist but it didn't
stop him rolling about, cracking up at the memories :>)
--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> wrote:

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike
down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two

of them,

and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their

bikes

down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being
shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier

to rock

it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@> wrote:
>
> The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and
severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and
> severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good
reading.
>
> Jake
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@>
>
>
> Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
> the practicalities
>

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I checked the bike off the stand, with the missus sitting on it, and
the oil sight window is full, although I am pretty certain that the
oil is only just over the top of the sight window.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:

Halfway up the window when the bike is dead level and upright. If it is
overfull and you run at high speed it can blow oil vapour into the
airbox....but only a bit.

Mine doesn't seem to care!

Jon

Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high level? my
oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again. So where
is the upper limit?



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Presumably that means you are running mini-zooms?

HAve you dyno'ed the bike?

What sort of power increase are you getting?

And are the whole silencer, including down pipes, or are they just the
end cans, which meant you had to cut your stock down-pipes to suit.

Are you getting through MOT's OK?

They certainly look nice


--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@...> wrote:

www.raask.se
Click W650... look for Minizooms.
Hear me afore you see me!!
Roy.



----- Original Message -----
From: musicmatty@...
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] W's look like.....


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From: Roy Easthill <roy@...>
Date: 2007/07/04 Wed AM 08:26:36 CDT
To: "W650riders@yahoogroup" <W650riders@...>
Subject: [W650riders] W's look like.....

***
Roy, where did you get your exhuast system for your W? looks great.
Music Matty

I still reckon my W looks more like my old?? A65 than a

Bonnie.Here's the 2 of them.Roy

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Ruari,

Thanks! I'll keep it for future use. Hubby adjusted what could be adjusted.

Ruari McLennan wrote:

开云体育

Let me tell you how I spent the fourth---Before we got out of the house a kerosine lamp chimney hit the floor, I stepped in dogshit and tracked it thru the kitchen , and then Maggie decided we needed to ride the Shadow to Claremore, 55 miles away, to eat the senior lunch special at Golden Corral.? When we came out SHAZAM flat rear tire !? Walked to AutoZone and got?2 big cans of ?Fixaflat.? This got us to Oologah where I found we were still losing air.? I found a 3/4" staple with both ends buried in the carcass,? Fortunately I had a set of that rubber string stuff with the augar file and insertion eye.? I pulled out the staple and air gushed from the holes which I kept losing save for spitting on the area.? I managed to get the file in and raped it real good? It was at this point I discovered the glue dried up probably a year or two ago.? However, the Fixaflat made the seal and I made 20 miles to Nowata and checked again and discovered the pressure was the same as Oologah.? On to Bartlesille to nap and rest my sunburnt face.? YUCK? Damn, I am sure glad I had the rubber stuff and will never be without it or that slimy stuff in the can again.? In the process I had to look at my tire and discover it is due for replacement??? This scoot has to have the bags and mufflers pulled to remove the wheel, assuming you have some way to suport the bike since nobody puts centerstands on anymore? I can even remove the rear section of the fender on my 56 Matchless single.?? Keith Williams

Laura, if you haven't done so already you should check out
"www.loisontheloose.com" and her adventures with an XT225.

You could do a sequel, "lauraontheloose".

Vernon

开云体育

I took two bikes to Pensacola.

Beverly took me to see Beatlemania Saturday Night.

On Sunday, I got Beverly riding the NS 50, last time she rode on the front of a bike, it was a Honda CB 125 at the school where I taught. I took Sandy for a ride on the W, and taught Josh, Sandy's son how to ride on the NS 50.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: Riding to Pensacola today, could have W650 or Hawk content
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:31:29 -1000

Hey Pete,

I used to base my TWO ride on the class schedule at the UH, that isn't a
consideration this year..so I am going the first week of September, that is
when our buddy Mariana is available.

I really should book my rooms now so asto be ready.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Pete Cordell" <plkkc@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Riding to Pensacola today, could have W650 or
Hawk content
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:19:04 -0000

Jim,
You still coming up to TWO later this summer? I'm just trying to
juggle/plan/wheedle some vacation time around Aug and or Sept.

Pete C



--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
wrote:

Well, I slept in today, it is 7:16 AM as I type this. I will be

going to

Pensacola today..I was thinking of driving my truck..big rain>

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

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Rose,

Just borrow my truck and go get that bike.

How's the V-Star doing by the way, and is your W back on her feet?



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Tachokay@...
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] the bike has to go
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:56:14 EDT

Dayum, Dale, I wish I was up your way! :)

In a message dated 7/1/2007 5:19:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dalekaren@... writes:

I have a 2000 W 650 for sale.
3000 miles, blue and silver, new batt. last year,
this bike is in new condition. no modifications,
current and clear title, tabs, reg.
I am located in the minnesota, twin cities area.
I have owned this bike for 5 years, just don;t ride it any more.
Please help me with this sale, I have found a new toy that I have to
have.
Dale Larsen
dalekaren@...
(651)483-8517

Rrrose.
@>-->--

_________________________________________________________________

When I was teaching, I heard a lot of stories about laying the bike down...in 1000 crashes, it was deemed to be the right thing in two of them, and of course people would ask why the CHP was taught to lay their bikes down..because they get behind them for cover..like to keep from being shot...most of us aren't faced with that scenereo.

Crash bars will reduce damage to the bike, and will make it easier to rock it back up on its tires, but they really aren't for you.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Bored here at work...so...
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:13:43 -0000

Hmmm...I wasn't thinking about me...I was thinking more in line with
save the engine!!

My uncle was a despatch rider/ convoy outrider during the war; the
first thing he was taught to do was slid the bike and dismount, thus
saving his legs. No, I tell a lie the first thing he was taught was
how to swim when he was stationed at Cattrick, this involved being
lobbed into the deep end; I suppose this is where the term 'sink or
swim' comes from.


--- In W650riders@..., "Captain Jake" <jake@...> wrote:

The practical nature of crash bars is to reduce the number and

severity of lower-body injuries while increasing the number and

severity of upper-body injuries, according to the HURT report. Good

reading.

Jake

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>


Crash bars - not yet, still un-decided. I hate the look but can see
the practicalities

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Laura,

The Honda NX 250 is a good street bike, a little heavy for trails though...and that plastic fairing that looks so neat, wait til you drop it. The suspension was way too soft, White Brothers and progressive have springs that will help it out. Very good motor though, wide power band for a 250.

Anyway, the Honda NX 125 would be better for "cow trailing" choice if you were going with a NX. The NX 650 was better sorted than the 250 was, suspension and brakes seem to match the bigger NX much better. Its been more than 10 years since we got the NXs here in the States. A riding buddy of mine had the NX 250, and it was a good street bike, but he never rode it off road that I know of, and I never rode it off road either.

We do not get the XR 250 here anymore, only the XR 650, but I remember it (XR 250) being pretty tall, check with WHAT BIKE periodical in UK for availability and seat height..

Kawasaki doesn't sale the SHERPA 250 here anymore, 5 or 6 years now, but they may be available there..they were light, not too tall and had an electric start. Kawasaki sells the KLX250S here now, dual sport, electric start..but the seat is 34.8 inches off the ground..almost a meter! I would be uncomfortable with that, and my inseam is 32".

Suzuki also makes a serious dual sport 250, the DRZ250..35" seat height..not for me, but the DR200SE has electric start..carries 3.5 gallons of fuel so you can play for a long time, and has a seat that is less than 32" off the ground unladen. The DR200SE costs $3949 new.

Yamaha has two dual sports that might be fun for you, the XT225 is the one that I am most familiar with, have more time in the saddle than the others I have mentioned. This bike has electric start, and a seat that is less than 32 inches off the ground...I would like to have the power of the old XT 350, but the lower seat and the electric start on the XT225 make it a pretty nice little ride. At $4199 it seems a little expensive, but Yamaha quality control has always been very high. 2.3 gallon tank.

Yamaha's TW 200 has fat tires that track over sand effortlessly. Funny looking thing but easy to ride, it has a seat height of just over 31 inches. Its heavier than than the XT by about 30 lbs. and carries only 1.9 gal.s of gas. It costs $3799.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:19:42 +0100

Gets v confusing, yes commuting, urban riding for which I understand it's v
good. I''m just thinking about it not rushing to the shop tomorrwo.

Laura


On 02/07/07, daniel finn <finnman@...> wrote:

That's why I don't live in the UK, no NX's. I'd forgotten the reason.
SORRY Laura I was certain that you wanted to street ride too. We don't have
a KING JON in the colonies to save us from outsiders opinions,knowledge and
riding experience. I beg your forgiveness OH god of all things bike, but
we're not coming back to the motherland. Get an NX you'll love it. He can't
kill all of us.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Jonhaddock@...
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN



Hmm...Those weren't based on the XR though...they're water-cooled for
starters...Not available in the UK and not many grey imports brought in
because they weren't as good as an XR at fast stuff and weren't as good as a
Serow at nadgery trails . Quite heavy too...

Laura: The best of all those 250's was the Honda NX 250 from '88,'89 and
very cool with it's mini fairing. Here's a pic of my NX 650, they looked
alike. Used they're reasonably priced. Daniel

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN

Hm if I would be interested in such a yamaha xt225 (or 250) what would be
I be looking at moneywise? I understand it would be good for town/commuting.
I do fancy one of those, riding position seems comfortable. But you know I
go through phases so please don't take it that I will go and buy one
tomorrow, I'm likely to change my mind again as women do!! Haven't even sat
one. Are they easy to get hold of?

Laura



On 01/07/07, James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote:

Laura, Honda CRs are two strokes and they are high performance
racable..the
XRs and the XLs are 4 strokes.

The Suzuki DR 200, the Yamaha XT 225 (Serrow), and the Kawasaki Sherpa
250
are all electric start 4 strokes with seat heights at 30 inches or less
unladen.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@... >
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES
AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:15:59 +0100

OK. So that's a 2-stroke noisy bike then. Quite like the idea. Are they
cheap could I have them as second bike?
KTMs look cool, definitely too high. A friend just had to have his food

reshaped as he came off doing a wheelie at 70 (we think).
Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Yes, they ARE high, some higher than others, but the Honda XR 250's

are

OK. I find I can manage those well with my 27" inside leg, but I

can't

ride
the KTM's for instance.

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*From:* Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:03 PM
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STRIKES

AGAIN

I've sort of been interested in them as they look comfy (riding

position),

well the ones I saw but don't know what they were. But they are mostly
high
aren't they. Thanks for that long explanation really helpful.

Laura


On 30/06/07, Jonhaddock@... < jonhaddock@...
<jonhaddock@...+>> wrote:

That is modern trials...The bikes are 250cc or 300cc two stroke

singles,

tuned for instant wheelies with loads of bottom end grunt. They are

very

low
geared and have absolutely NO seat...just a painted black area
approximately
where the seat would have been.

Other off-road sports are:

Motocross where the bikes are tuned for power and like trials, have

no

lights and are not road legal. MX bikes actually handle really well

but

are
stupidly tall to give them masses of suspension travel...expect

seat

heights
in excess of 960mm. Proper Supermotos are basically Motocross bikes

with

road front wheels on.

Enduro...Where the bikes are very similar to motocross but are more

softly
tuned with gear ratios more suitable to road use, and have lighting
sets.
These bikes are usually road legal in the UK and make literally

stunning

commuters. In all seriousness, you would have to try very hard

indeed

to

find a better bike than a late model Honda XR250 for general urban
duties.
They weigh...brace yourself...230 lbs....under half your

Harley...and

30

bhp
in a bike that light makes for serious performance. My old Yamaha

465

with
42 bhp would shut down any musclebike under the sun up to 60 mph. A

lot

of
Enduro bikes were bought as 'greenlaners'. Green lanes are

Roads...i.e.

'Rights of way open to all traffic' which were not tarmac. In other
words,
forgotten about or not used. Because they were roads, bikes still

had

to

be
fully road legal and obey national speed limits. They are often

just

muddy
tracks across moors and rivers and to be honest, full-on Enduro

bikes

are
not designed for such tricky and challenging narrow paths....But

being

macho
men we used 'em anyway!

Trail. These bikes are less extreme and less robust. They have less
suspension travel, less power and are often more civilised. You

used to

find
some in every makers range but today in the UK, only grey imports

are

found.
They were popular amongst older trail riders ( the ones who knew

what

they
were doing). James has mentioned the Yam Serow, the Kawasaki Sherpa

and

so
on, but older bikes like the XT250 were very good and frankly, the

XR250

Honda is so good and usable it'll cross into both camps.

All off-road bikes are brilliant fun, combining punchy motors with
incredibly light weight. Both motocross and Enduro bikes have to

have

superb
handling stability because they are built to win races on bumpy

rough

ground
and as a consequence, round town or the lanes, a motocross or

enduro

bike
with road oriented tyres on usually blows 'proper' road bikes into

the

weeds.

They are incredibly comfy too...really soft seats and amazingly

good

suspension make for a real armchair riding position.

Very high credibility too......

Jon

From: Laura

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
in the woods, think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
the grass at the rally next weekend.

Laura, here's some trials riding:




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