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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension

Ruari McLennan
 

OK, I called Dave Quinn re the rear shocks and found that the travel
on the Hagon 33007s is 3.2", so total sag of 27 mm is actually 33% of
that, bang on the money! (or close enough)

But, I cannot find any info as to the front fork travel, which he
says is usually in the service or owners manual specifications. One
should look at 25-33% of that as a rough rule of thumb for sag, too,
he says.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Ruari

--- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
wrote:

How do I determine, "full travel?"

Ruari
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonhaddock@...
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Sag or Preload; & suspension



'Sitting on' sag should be approximately 1/4 of full travel.

Pre-load is simply turning a ring to pre-compress the spring so
when you are moving the ring up to squash the spring you are
increasing pre-load. Bear in mind all you do is limit the low speed
springing. Once the spring starts to compress it compresses at the
normal rate irrespective of preload settings because springs compress
linearly.


Hi, I popped by the motorcycle co-op today and they measured my
W650 preload "sag."
They are not terribly familiar with older style bikes, they are
a sportbike/racer shop.

I have Hagon progressive front fork springs, and Hagon 20 Kg.
rear classic shocks.
I weigh 198 lbs dry and 217 on the bike with gear.

They suggested 30 mm front; and 35 mm. rear was right for
sportbikes.
My results were: Front 50 mm.; and rear 27 mm.

Any comments from you folks? I wonder if sportbike
measurements are applicable here, particularly when the W650 rear
shocks are so vertical by comparison.

Ruari McLennan
Victoria BC


NWC: motorcycle sales site

 

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I got a flyer about this site from the AMA. I've never seen it before, so don't know if it's news to anyone else.
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Lots of motorcycles for sale. Free listings.
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gene in OR
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"Where you've been is gone, where you're goin' ain't happened yet and where you are ain't no good unless you can git away from it"
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-Hazel Motes-


Re: Chain tension

Martin Taylor
 

1. if the teeth are hooked i.e. very worn on the pointy bit.. best to replace.If the sprockets are symmetrical the tight spot on your chain is probably either siezure of that part of the linkage or stretching due to heavy sudden accelaration.
2. the useage of the chain is exactly the same as a closed chain. The only important thing to remember is that the closed end of the spring clip which seals the join on the new chain is in the direction of travel. If the open end of the spring clip faces the direction of travel the whole thing will pull apart.
3. I have fitted a scottoiler to my W and this keeps the chain lubricated. They are fairly easy to fit and seem to do the job. I have had mine for about 2000 miles.

________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of zottomagic
Sent: Thu 05/07/2007 18:26
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Chain tension



Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried
a master link chain - anything different about them in use? (e.g.
lifetime, lube/clean, etc).

What should I look for on the sprockets? The teeth seem symmetric
(leading & trailing edges look the same).

Any recommendations for a particular chain or supplier?

/ Rob

--- In W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> , "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...>
wrote:

Get a chain splitter, push the rivet out, attach the new chain to
the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a
chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the
sprockets out and replace if necessary.


Re: W's look like.....

Roy Easthill
 

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The one with a trouser leg rolled up??
Roy.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:56 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: W's look like.....

No doubt that fiver you slip the "nice wee man" doesn't hurt, Roy, I
hear your brother enjoys doing your MOT work these days.

Ruari

--- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Easthill" wrote:
>
> Yes to Minizooms,
> The noise is OK as long as you don't give it the wellie in enclosed
places or closed in streets.
> Scares the hell out of the cattle and sheep on the country roads when
there's nobody about and I can wind it up (but I've got an old score to
settle with them anyway).
> No problem with the 3 MOT's I've had since I fitted them.
> He's a nice wee man tho.
> Roy


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Re: How I spent the 4th of July

Anita Reid
 

Should've stayed in bed. LOL

Anita

Gene Fitch wrote:

LOL! You understand I'm laughing WITH you, not AT you.?? ;->
?
Happy 5th Keith. Hope it goes better today. How was the lunch special?
?
gene in OR
?
----- Original Message -----
Let me tell you how I spent the fourth---Before we got out of the house a kerosine lamp chimney hit the floor, I stepped in dogshit and tracked it thru the kitchen , and then Maggie decided we needed to ride the Shadow to Claremore, 55 miles away, to eat the senior lunch special at Golden Corral.? When we came out SHAZAM flat rear tire !? Walked to AutoZone and got?2 big cans of ?Fixaflat.? This got us to Oologah where I found we were still losing air.? I found a 3/4" staple with both ends buried in the carcass,? Fortunately I had a set of that rubber string stuff with the augar file and insertion eye.? I pulled out the staple and air gushed from the holes which I kept losing save for spitting on the area.? I managed to get the file in and raped it real good? It was at this point I discovered the glue dried up probably a year or two ago.? However, the Fixaflat made the seal and I made 20 miles to Nowata and checked again and discovered the pressure was the same as Oologah.? On to Bartlesille to nap and rest my sunburnt face.? YUCK? Damn, I am sure glad I had the rubber stuff and will never be without it or that slimy stuff in the can again.? In the process I had to look at my tire and discover it is due for replacement??? This scoot has to have the bags and mufflers pulled to remove the wheel, assuming you have some way to suport the bike since nobody puts centerstands on anymore? I can even remove the rear section of the fender on my 56 Matchless single.?? Keith Williams


Re: Update on the front wheel shimmy.

 

Don't know about the RoadRiders. They are a new tyre since the UK company got bought out. Let us know how they fare!

----- Original Message -----
From: "pete7953" <peter.sluman@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Update on the front wheel shimmy.


Thanks again to all the inputs on this. I'm pleased to report that with
a new front tyre, that matches the new rear, the shimmy has gone!

For the record, I've fitted Avon Roadriders, and even on a gentle
scrubbing in ride the bike seems transformed.

Thanks Pete



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Re: Chain tension

 

I use DID 'X' ring. It has rubber seals to keep crap out of the joints, only needs a light oiling to keep nice, doesn't stretch, and doesn't therefore hook the sprockets or need adjustment. It's designed for much more powerful bikes so the W hardly bothers it at all. Spend money on the over-engineered expensive good stuff and it seems you only spend once!

Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried
a master link chain - anything different about them in use? (e.g.
lifetime, lube/clean, etc).

What should I look for on the sprockets? The teeth seem symmetric
(leading & trailing edges look the same).

Any recommendations for a particular chain or supplier?

/ Rob


--- In W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...>
wrote:

Get a chain splitter, push the rivet out, attach the new chain to
the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a
chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the
sprockets out and replace if necessary.



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Re: How to remove the front wheel.

Larry Botheras
 

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…not part of the tool kit.? You need to buy one…

?

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Larry Botheras

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Essex UK

W650 Wrench

2007 Moto Guzzi Norge

1977 KH400

1978 CD175

1994 Ural Solo

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From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of pete7953
Sent: 05 July 2007 18:30
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: How to remove the front wheel.

?

Thanks for that info. Now, I wonder where the hex driver from the
tool kit has gone? I've never opened it until now, so maybe the
previous owner(s) kept hold of it. Bugger.



Update on the front wheel shimmy.

pete7953
 

Thanks again to all the inputs on this. I'm pleased to report that with
a new front tyre, that matches the new rear, the shimmy has gone!

For the record, I've fitted Avon Roadriders, and even on a gentle
scrubbing in ride the bike seems transformed.

Thanks Pete


Re: How I spent the 4th of July

 

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LOL! You understand I'm laughing WITH you, not AT you.?? ;->
?
Happy 5th Keith. Hope it goes better today. How was the lunch special?
?
gene in OR
?

----- Original Message -----
Let me tell you how I spent the fourth---Before we got out of the house a kerosine lamp chimney hit the floor, I stepped in dogshit and tracked it thru the kitchen , and then Maggie decided we needed to ride the Shadow to Claremore, 55 miles away, to eat the senior lunch special at Golden Corral.? When we came out SHAZAM flat rear tire !? Walked to AutoZone and got?2 big cans of ?Fixaflat.? This got us to Oologah where I found we were still losing air.? I found a 3/4" staple with both ends buried in the carcass,? Fortunately I had a set of that rubber string stuff with the augar file and insertion eye.? I pulled out the staple and air gushed from the holes which I kept losing save for spitting on the area.? I managed to get the file in and raped it real good? It was at this point I discovered the glue dried up probably a year or two ago.? However, the Fixaflat made the seal and I made 20 miles to Nowata and checked again and discovered the pressure was the same as Oologah.? On to Bartlesille to nap and rest my sunburnt face.? YUCK? Damn, I am sure glad I had the rubber stuff and will never be without it or that slimy stuff in the can again.? In the process I had to look at my tire and discover it is due for replacement??? This scoot has to have the bags and mufflers pulled to remove the wheel, assuming you have some way to suport the bike since nobody puts centerstands on anymore? I can even remove the rear section of the fender on my 56 Matchless single.?? Keith Williams


Re: How to remove the front wheel.

pete7953
 

Thanks for that info. Now, I wonder where the hex driver from the
tool kit has gone? I've never opened it until now, so maybe the
previous owner(s) kept hold of it. Bugger.





--- In W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor"
<martin.taylor@...> wrote:

Front wheel removal....Put a weight on the rear of the bike to
lift the front wheel off the ground, then using large hex driver
from tool kit, undo the right hand hex (looking towards the front of
the bike)
leave the other one tight until you have unwound the right hand
part of the spindle. Then loosen the left hand one, pull out the
spindle and the wheel will come out easily. Note that the spacers on
either side of the wheel are different sizes and need to go back in
the same side they came out from. When you try and reinstate the
wheel, take the weight off the back of the bike, put the spacers
either side of the wheel, gently pull the bike down onto the wheel
and then isert the spindle again. Tighten the left hand hex first,
then the right hand one. Job done...BEFORE riding off, pump the front
brake a few times otherwise you will get a nasty surprise.
________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of pete7953
Sent: Wed 04/07/2007 18:14
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] How to remove the front wheel.



Firstly, thanks to everyone who replied with help on my shimmy
problem.
hopefully when I get a new front tyre to match the new rear, it
will go
away. However, until then, I have just tried to get the front wheel
out
but it looks like 2 rather large hex wrenches are required. Is one
side
a 'bolt' and the other a 'nut', or are both fixings 'nuts' I also
presume the 2 forward face hex socket screws come out as well.
sadly,
there are no wrenches in the tool kit.

So what is the correct procedure for front wheel removal?

Thanks,

pete


Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN

Laura
 


Re: Chain tension

 

Thanks Martin & Dennis. That's much easier. I've clearly never tried
a master link chain - anything different about them in use? (e.g.
lifetime, lube/clean, etc).

What should I look for on the sprockets? The teeth seem symmetric
(leading & trailing edges look the same).

Any recommendations for a particular chain or supplier?

/ Rob


--- In W650riders@..., "Martin Taylor" <martin.taylor@...>
wrote:

Get a chain splitter, push the rivet out, attach the new chain to
the old one and pull through before joining the new one up. Buy a
chain with a master link. Works perfectly. Don't forget to check the
sprockets out and replace if necessary.


Re: W's look like.....

jimmi mc gaw
 

one of scotlands finest (retired } can always get a MOT






--- In W650riders@..., "Ruari McLennan" <r.mclennan@...>
wrote:

No doubt that fiver you slip the "nice wee man" doesn't hurt, Roy,
I
hear your brother enjoys doing your MOT work these days.

Ruari


--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@> wrote:

Yes to Minizooms,
The noise is OK as long as you don't give it the wellie in
enclosed
places or closed in streets.
Scares the hell out of the cattle and sheep on the country roads
when
there's nobody about and I can wind it up (but I've got an old
score to
settle with them anyway).
No problem with the 3 MOT's I've had since I fitted them.
He's a nice wee man tho.
Roy


Re: CL W650 Petition ?

Kirk Johnson
 

Vernon,
I went to Craigslist - Los Angeles - Motorcycles, then entered W650.
?
I do not know how to do a national Craiglslist search.
Kirk

jv_roberts2000 wrote:

You found a way to do a national search using Craigslist?? Or did you
just do it for specific geographic clusters??

Vernon

>
> I was on Craigslist today and searched, what else,
> W650.
>
> An add appeared with a link for a petition to import
> the new Ws to the US.
> It seems curious that this bloke hasn't posted to any
> W650 groups that I'm aware of.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know something about it.
>
> Kirk
>



Re: Oil level...

 

The hanging down pipes are the thing. Any oil will dribble from there. A light coating on the inside of the plastic airbox won't touch anything, and I suppose if a serios quantity runs from the drain pipe I would slide out the filters and wash them, but otherwise probably not bother. The weather is so shit at the moment one feels very unmotivated re bike stuff...

Jon

Yeah, Nige, why don't you pop off the right side cover, pull out the
air filter, and have a keek into the right airbox with a torch to see
if there's any oil coating the inside? Also pull out the little
plug at the bottom of the rubber tube leading off the airbox, to see
if any oil drips out, should give you some idea if you're getting too
much up in there...

I would encourage you to put the bike on the centrestand on a level
surface with 16.5-17 mm. (11/16") thick chocks (bits of plank) under
the tires, and wait 'til it's cold, for accurate checking of the oil
level. Trying to do it off the stand or with a rider on is fraught
with difficulties (as well as moaning!) The slightest bit off-centre
gives a false read. As well, trying to check while the oil's hot
after a run is hopeless, it expands into the wrong chamber and gives
a "too full" false reading. I leave the bike on their chocks so when
it is cold the next day I check before starting off.

Ruari




--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:


It's not that big a deal....Mine is too the top of the window. It
hasn't
used any and it doesn't seem to blow any out. I think it might have
to be
well above before you get problems.


Oops...LOL...yeah your right I checked the chain with her sitting
on
it, with her moaning, and checked the oil with her holding one
side of
the bike, with her moaning. But yeah the bike was off the stand,
on
our garage floor and upright.



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Re: Oil level...

 

Nige,

What sort of oil are you using? A few years ago whilst on holiday in Italy I gave the W a day long thrash, in company with a 900 Ninja. We sat for 450 miles, at 90/100 stopping only for petrol (Autostrada from Frejuce(sp?) to Anconna). Temp was 40 + C. I was using mineral oil and had checked the level the day before. The oil went from the top of the sight glass to below the minimum, gulp. Topped her up, and no harm done apparently. I have since changed to synthetic, and she hasn't used any oil since...I wouldn't worry about being a jot over, just take her out and cane her, good & proper....

Mark,

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil level...


Oops...LOL...yeah your right I checked the chain with her sitting on
it, with her moaning, and checked the oil with her holding one side of
the bike, with her moaning. But yeah the bike was off the stand, on
our garage floor and upright.

it is a bit over so I am going to try and get some out using a syringe
and tubing.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:


I don't think it is required to have a rider on. I suppose that's OK
if it
sags the same amount front and rear...


I checked the bike off the stand, with the missus sitting on it, and
the oil sight window is full, although I am pretty certain that the
oil is only just over the top of the sight window.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:


Halfway up the window when the bike is dead level and upright. If
it is
overfull and you run at high speed it can blow oil vapour into the
airbox....but only a bit.

Mine doesn't seem to care!

Jon


Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high
level? my
oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again.
So where
is the upper limit?



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Re: W's look like.....

Ruari McLennan
 

No doubt that fiver you slip the "nice wee man" doesn't hurt, Roy, I
hear your brother enjoys doing your MOT work these days.

Ruari


--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@...> wrote:

Yes to Minizooms,
The noise is OK as long as you don't give it the wellie in enclosed
places or closed in streets.
Scares the hell out of the cattle and sheep on the country roads when
there's nobody about and I can wind it up (but I've got an old score to
settle with them anyway).
No problem with the 3 MOT's I've had since I fitted them.
He's a nice wee man tho.
Roy


Re: Oil level...

Ruari McLennan
 

Yeah, Nige, why don't you pop off the right side cover, pull out the
air filter, and have a keek into the right airbox with a torch to see
if there's any oil coating the inside? Also pull out the little
plug at the bottom of the rubber tube leading off the airbox, to see
if any oil drips out, should give you some idea if you're getting too
much up in there...

I would encourage you to put the bike on the centrestand on a level
surface with 16.5-17 mm. (11/16") thick chocks (bits of plank) under
the tires, and wait 'til it's cold, for accurate checking of the oil
level. Trying to do it off the stand or with a rider on is fraught
with difficulties (as well as moaning!) The slightest bit off-centre
gives a false read. As well, trying to check while the oil's hot
after a run is hopeless, it expands into the wrong chamber and gives
a "too full" false reading. I leave the bike on their chocks so when
it is cold the next day I check before starting off.

Ruari




--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:


It's not that big a deal....Mine is too the top of the window. It
hasn't
used any and it doesn't seem to blow any out. I think it might have
to be
well above before you get problems.


Oops...LOL...yeah your right I checked the chain with her sitting
on
it, with her moaning, and checked the oil with her holding one
side of
the bike, with her moaning. But yeah the bike was off the stand,
on
our garage floor and upright.


Re: W's look like.....

Roy Easthill
 

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Yes to Minizooms,
No to dyno'ed, so dunno to power increase.?
I've got rid of the?cannister and pipework under the tank?etc and fitted coasters,?different size front sprocket, different jets and needles, taken out the tool tray, drilled 1'' holes in airboxes an?footered with the?carb settings.
The Raasks come with downpipes?with?seperate baffled exhausts clamped together.
The bike just burbles along until you open it up and then it sounds just like the old Nortons and Beezas.
The noise is OK as long as you don't give it?the wellie in enclosed places or closed in streets.
But they can certainly turn heads, the older guys always comment on how the bike? sounds and looks?like their old bikes.
Scares the hell out of the cattle and sheep on the country roads when there's nobody about and I can wind it up?(but I've got an old score to settle with them anyway).
To be honest I could'nt tell you if there is?much difference?in the performance before and after.
I just love the sound, brings back memories and I enjoy just riding?the?bike.
No problem with the 3 MOT's I've had since I fitted them.
He's a nice wee man tho.
Roy?
?
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:58 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: W's look like.....

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