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Oil Filter
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMy dealer had used spacers for the chrome oil filter cover some time ago. ? At the last oil change (and rear tire) early in July, Kawasaki supplied a revised chrome oil filter cover to fit the new filter, ? Chris Spence, 2000 W650 St.Catharines Ontario Canada ? |
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
john gary simpson
The V-Max is an impressive motor and makes a great swap into a Royal Star.? But I stand on my statement (which has NOTHING to do with performance), the Harley Big Twin is the bib block Chevvy of the motorcycle world - big bore, power in the bottom end, limited rpm. You gotta remember that the 348 and 454 were designed as truck engines. Only the 396 was designed as a race engine. Your essays are comparing apples with oranges, so there's no point to be made.? Like I said before, if you're gonna compare harley with Jap bikes, make your comparisons with the Jap big twins that are market positioend with Harley, and have made a small dent in Harley's market. As for a panacke engine sound, you're speaking of the Jap twins, with their offset cranks, not the Harley Twin which is actually a two-cylinder radial engine. It sounds more like a V8 than a VW!
James Franklin wrote: The V-Max still holds the motorcycle record for 60 MPH to 80 MPH roll on.
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
john gary simpson
I'm in total agreement with you on THIS part of your essay.
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
This is really interesting stuff... By coincidence I have just changed
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the petcock on my wife's "new" 400/4, because it had no reserve. The bike had been suffering also from overflowing carbs. The old petcock filter was split (which explained the carb overflow probs) and more interesting was the sealing washer which has two holes in it forthe main supply stand and the reserve. The rubber had not reacted well to never being exposed to gas until last year, and the holes were pretty much closed up. So, cahnge the petcock and a whole load of symptoms disappear including rough running from under fuelling.... Let us know if the strange behaviour is gone! Ruari ----- Original Message -----
From: "dvdberman" <dvdberman@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives What the heck. DID look it over with the glass. The arrow wasvisible as you said...which explains a whole SL of strange problems I'dbeen having lately, namely backfires & misfires on long distancehwy treks. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only ?7.99 a month for your first 3 months! |
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
Ruari McLennan
Let us know if the strange behaviour is gone!
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Ruari ----- Original Message -----
From: "dvdberman" <dvdberman@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives What the heck. DID look it over with the glass. The arrow was visible as you said...which explains a whole SL of strange problems I'd been having lately, namely backfires & misfires on long distance hwy treks. |
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
Yeah... My Norge has dropped oil level between 600 and 6000 service (not enough to warrant top up - about top mark down to 1/3).? We have run two Skoda Fabias (VW1.9 TDI engine) and both of those used full synth from the start. The difference is the amount of attention you have to pay to ensuring you check levels.? The cars both used over a litre in the first 3000 miles ?
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Second point, I have obviously ridden more Harleys than you have V-Maxs or Magnas..either of those bikes will loft the front tire by cracking the throttle, and roll away from a stop in 5th gear. Before you start making stuff up to feel better about that archiac design, look at a line chart of HP/Torque of those engines..show me where the big twin has an advantage.
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I have easily pulled away from a big twin Soft Tail with $1800 worth of cams and stroker kit with my 1200 Venture..which weighs 100 lbs more..roll on, no down shifting involved, we were going up Pali HWY (passing slower traffic), which is a pretty steep incline, and I was carrying a passenger, he wasn't. I didn't even know we were competing until we stopped at Anna Millers and he told me he couldn't catch me. Again, I have heard many stories about how strong Harleys pull (I spent a 600 mile day on a Road King, and it did feel strong..but the emphases is on feel), how much HP they can make from those two big cylinders, but you know in any area of piston engine performance, more cylinders make more power..why would you even think that a twin of the same capacity as a 3 or 4 with the same size engine would some how defy physics? You can run 750cc twins in the 600cc class, 1000cc twins in the 750 class because more cylinders give more power...and the 750/1000s that do well in competition don't have two valve heads with one intake manifold serving both cylinders. I liked the Road King, I liked the FXRS Super Glide better, and I liked the Sportster Sport..but not as well as those other two. Bottom line, I bought the W because I like the way it looks and feels...there were a lot of motorcycles in that price range, and even cheaper, that offered more performance, but high performance isn't/wasn't my main concern. If I were to buy a Harley, it wouldn't be for hi-performance..there are way too many bikes that work better than Harleys in that area, it would be for looks and feel. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:01:45 -0700 (PDT) I don't know what your experience with Harleys is, but I have built many EVO Harleys to better than 90 horsepower and never had one fail yet. The stock crank is good for a build to better than 120 hp. The V-max and Magnas are high rev motors with scant similarity to stump-pulling big blocks. More power? Of course. But totally different character, more akin to small block Chevvies that make their power high up (like my 8000 rpm built 65 fuelie engine in my MGTF) If you want to classify any Japanese engines as having big block Chevy character, start with the myriad of big inch Japanese twins that are desparately trying to carve into Harley's cruiser market. James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote: The list of bikes that will roll away from a Harley without downshifting or over revving, is too long to list here. The Harley is closer compared to a John Deer than a big block Chevy..you want the sound and feel of a Chevy V-8, you want a Yamaha V-Max, or a Honda 1100 Magna. The Evos made about 60 HP, but their crank came from a 35 HP design..leave the engine alone, put a tuned but less restrive pipe on it, it was just find, but build it to make 80 - 90 HP, you have a grenade. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: john gary simpson Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:13:46 -0700 (PDT) I'm speaking as a prior owner. In regard to smooth shifting, vibration and top-heaviness, I agree. In terms of riding balance and handling, both my 883 and my1200 were good bikes. In terms of performance, my 883 was a slacker, but my 1200 would haul butt. In terms of reliability and ease of maintenance, all of my Harleys were hands down the most reliable and easist to work on. But it's the intangibles that make the Harley a Harley - the feel of the engine at mid and low throttle, the styling, the personality. As the old saying goes, if ya gotta ask... On performance, all stock harleys are extremely restricted and can easiloy and cheaply make 25% to 50% more power. A stock EVO big twin averages 46 hp out of the box, and easily make 80hp with nothing but simple intake and exhaust changes. Most Japanese bikes will stomp a Harley in an all-out drag, but at everyday loafing throttle, a harley's huge low-end torque keeps it ahead of the pack effortlessly. Effort is the key. Do you want to be revving your bike to the limit all of the time to make it perform? The Harley is the big block Chevy of the motorcycle world....shhesh; I'm about to talk myself into another harley.... "larry.botheras@..." wrote: I'm afraid I am speaking from a position of knowledge... Second worst bike I ever rode... the worst was an 883 ----Original Message----
From: eustisgary@... Date: 16/07/2007 1:41 To: Subj: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Have you actually ridden a 1200 Sporty?--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" wrote: feel slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD neverquote) but it is a lot heavier[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of JohnWhat are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster? ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. _________________________________________________________________ Go to temporary photos site - :: Send an email to W650riders-nomail@... to stop email delivery. :: Send an email to W650riders-normal@... to resume email delivery. Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! |
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
The V-Max still holds the motorcycle record for 60 MPH to 80 MPH roll on. Yes, it does sound more like a 327 small block than a 454, but even at that, a small block V-8 is closer to a large block V-8 sound, than the VW pancake 4 sounding big twin.
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I can't even tell you how many impressive stories I have heard about HD performance at track side while watching everything else pass the HDs. Harley's only record, world land speed, is held by a V-8, not a V-Twin. Harleys still feel like they are accelerating hard when the other, smoother bikes are rolling away from them. The Evos were an impressive improvement over the Shovels, but the HP #s you quote are well beyond anything that would last..the crank isn't strong enough, niether are the rods..it is because of weak parts that S&S became what they are today. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@...> Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:01:45 -0700 (PDT) I don't know what your experience with Harleys is, but I have built many EVO Harleys to better than 90 horsepower and never had one fail yet. The stock crank is good for a build to better than 120 hp. The V-max and Magnas are high rev motors with scant similarity to stump-pulling big blocks. More power? Of course. But totally different character, more akin to small block Chevvies that make their power high up (like my 8000 rpm built 65 fuelie engine in my MGTF) If you want to classify any Japanese engines as having big block Chevy character, start with the myriad of big inch Japanese twins that are desparately trying to carve into Harley's cruiser market. James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote: The list of bikes that will roll away from a Harley without downshifting or over revving, is too long to list here. The Harley is closer compared to a John Deer than a big block Chevy..you want the sound and feel of a Chevy V-8, you want a Yamaha V-Max, or a Honda 1100 Magna. The Evos made about 60 HP, but their crank came from a 35 HP design..leave the engine alone, put a tuned but less restrive pipe on it, it was just find, but build it to make 80 - 90 HP, you have a grenade. James Franklin 2411 Pine Summit DR. E Jacksonville, Florida 32211 808-225-0994 (cell) From: john gary simpson Reply-To: W650riders@... To: W650riders@... Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:13:46 -0700 (PDT) I'm speaking as a prior owner. In regard to smooth shifting, vibration and top-heaviness, I agree. In terms of riding balance and handling, both my 883 and my1200 were good bikes. In terms of performance, my 883 was a slacker, but my 1200 would haul butt. In terms of reliability and ease of maintenance, all of my Harleys were hands down the most reliable and easist to work on. But it's the intangibles that make the Harley a Harley - the feel of the engine at mid and low throttle, the styling, the personality. As the old saying goes, if ya gotta ask... On performance, all stock harleys are extremely restricted and can easiloy and cheaply make 25% to 50% more power. A stock EVO big twin averages 46 hp out of the box, and easily make 80hp with nothing but simple intake and exhaust changes. Most Japanese bikes will stomp a Harley in an all-out drag, but at everyday loafing throttle, a harley's huge low-end torque keeps it ahead of the pack effortlessly. Effort is the key. Do you want to be revving your bike to the limit all of the time to make it perform? The Harley is the big block Chevy of the motorcycle world....shhesh; I'm about to talk myself into another harley.... "larry.botheras@..." wrote: I'm afraid I am speaking from a position of knowledge... Second worst bike I ever rode... the worst was an 883 ----Original Message----
From: eustisgary@... Date: 16/07/2007 1:41 To: Subj: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650 Have you actually ridden a 1200 Sporty?--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" wrote: feel slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD neverquote) but it is a lot heavier[mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of JohnWhat are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster? ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only 9.99 a month for your first 3 months! --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. _________________________________________________________________ Go to temporary photos site - :: Send an email to W650riders-nomail@... to stop email delivery. :: Send an email to W650riders-normal@... to resume email delivery. Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! |
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Re: Leno and the Rockstore
Thanks to Ray Nielsen's memory being much better than mine....his post
today....#129615....is pretty much on target from what I recall and is close enough for me. No further search is necessary is far as I'm concerned. Vernon responses, you can zero in on a time you think is right.
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Re: Leno and the Rockstore
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýVernon
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If you go to the group website, a search for? Leno?
brings about 150 responses, you can zero in on a time you think is
right.
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
---Moto-Guzzi has synthetic in them from the factory and it's
the "break in" oil. In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote: break-in, then switch to synthetic. Now, it's certainly still no problem toswitch after break-in, in fact recommended, but many think you can usesynthetic during break-in too!when it thewasn't used during "break-in"? Also, got any views about using overlonger than stock Purolator PureOne Oil Filter? I've got just I'm4000 miles on my W (got it last spring with only 250 miles!!!). ideadue for an O/C now, and feel a filter change wouldn't be a bad abouttoo. Walmart'sand what is in my W650 now. It's a common oil used for turbodieselsso should do well in a Grand National I would think. Most synthetics.....Mobil-have it for relatively cheap compared to other better1for example.Nicholsons delivery.performance.#5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan. :: delivery. |
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Re: Leno and the Rockstore
Yep, that's close to the issue....the next post #17537 is even
closer....what I remember was a fuller quote and more recent than five years ago....at least as I recall. Vernon Look at message 17536 on the group site.though.
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Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
john gary simpson
Yep! That's where the less iron and more aluminum comes from!
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
What the heck. DID look it over with the glass. The arrow was visible
as you said...which explains a whole SL of strange problems I'd been having lately, namely backfires & misfires on long distance hwy treks. Some were so rough they'd buck you right off if you didn't ALWAYS expect the unexpected on any two- wheeler. It felt like the timing had gone gonzo or I had a bad batch of gas. So I mixed some Turbo Blue with unleaded Mobil premium (2:1 ratio),ditched the tool kit (to increase air flow), and the problem went away. I also started doping my fill ups with a 1/2 oz. or so of Stabil. BUT NOW, I'm convinced the fuel tap mix up was the culprit. I just bet I was unknowingly running on RES all the time, and at times ran it bone dry on the fly (no pun intended), and depending on how must twist I was exerting, the RES was using up whatever was flowing to it from the main tank as fast as it got there. AND OF COURSE when I started up the next day or made only a short trip, it would run like nothing was wrong because the RES had time overnight to fully replenish from the main tank. We'll see tomorrow at 6am how all of this shakes out when I go for a sunrise ride with the tap in what NOW should be the correct position. As a side note about Mobil fuel vs other brands, I've always fared better with it. I think it has to do with flame fronts and detonation resistance characteristics at partial throtlle as well as WOT. Afterall, octane under the RM2 formula give you only an average octane number. Much thanks to everyone who responded to my initial thread. DB --- In W650riders@..., Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote: backward at "Reserve." The long end is the pointer. It should normally pointforward, under "Fuel." To confirm, grab a magnifying glass and lookclosely at the edge of the tap handle. You should see a tiny almost invisiblemoulded arrow. I painted my arrow black to make it visible.Grand turboNational because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the slightbetter than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the snugged upincrease in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better ofpretty good. delivery.the flange covering the "RES" lettering. :: delivery. |
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
Ray Nielsen
--- In W650riders@..., "dvdberman" <dvdberman@...> wrote:
it wasn't used during "break-in"? Also, got any views about using theI don't think the short Kawasaki filters are available any more, unless you find them in stock. Kawasaki has changed the part number to the longer, standard filter. One would either have to fit spacers and longer bolts to use the filter cover, or eliminate it altogether. Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis. |
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Re: Oil/ Oil Additives
Ray Nielsen
--- In W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000"
<jv_roberts2000@...> wrote: Technically Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 is NOT a true synthetic oil. It's actually a Type 3 oil, highly refined to eliminate virtually all of the wax content, then fortified with additives to achieve the properties of a synthetic. True synthetics are type 4 PAO (for poly alpha olefin) or type 5 (for diester) bases. The Federal people have ruled a few years ago that similar oils could be called synthetics by the seller -- Castrol won a case against Mobil on that point with their Syntec oil. I think the agency was the Federal Trade Commission. That said, I do believe the stuff is a very good choice for use in a motorcycle because of the diesel rating (SI-4), plus the SL/SM rating I think in has also. NO friction modifiers and some Suzuki Bandit owners report great results using the stuff. One guy claimed to have only had two oil changes in over 100K miles on a Bandit 1200, with only filter changes at much shorter intervals. I tried it in a Bandit 1200 after reading that claim on the Bandit site, but found the bike used a bit of oil between changes compared to none with Mobil 1 15W-50 Gold Cap. No big deal, but I tried it because Mobil was not shipping the 15W-50 stuff and local sources were out of it for a few weeks right when I needed an oil and filter change. Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis and going for a ride tomorrow. |
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Re: Leno and the Rockstore
Ray Nielsen
--- In W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000"
<jv_roberts2000@...> wrote: the exact statement supposedly made but it was kinda slightly derogatory,though. I'm pretty sure it was the Love Ride, not the Rock Store. The comment was along the lines of "It looks good, like a transvestite, but I'm not sure about it when you get on top of it" or something similar. I think that was referring the power level, not the looks. Ray Nielsen, and I may be misquoting by quite a bit. |
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