Irn Bru, all right...

Ruari

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I lost my magazine collection in my divorce, so 10 to one was from my memory as my home references are pretty much gone.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:23:58 -0700

James
I believe the original 1970 XS1 had 9:1 compression, and all subsequent XS's
had 8.4:1.
Just FYI. Source and my challengeable memory.

Dennis

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Ruari McLennan
Victoria BC

The Victory has promise, their own engine and a parent company with a proven track record.

Kawasaki's Drifter is still the best "Indian" ever made. Hendee would have liked it. bean counters and greed killed the Springfield Indian after Hendee died.

Besides in magazines, I have never seen a EH, haven't seen a dealership either..not unusual in Hawaii I guess, but I used to spend one month a year riding around on the mainland..and never saw one.

I am not a cruiser guy, so I don't mourn the loss of EH or Indian as much as I do Norton or Vincent.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:59:52 -0700 (PDT)

Unfortunately the state taxpayers spent the money on the building. The Hanlons did a LOT of promoting, and signed up many dealerships, but they stayed with their plan to have an in-house engine instead of using a Harley=clone engine. That delayed the product by nearly three years. When they finally put it into production, it was basically untested and unrefined, Every buyer was a beta tester! The good part is that fixes for the problems have been developed by the X community and the community support structure is fantastic. After bottoming out, used X prices are heading back up. Onceset up properly (about $2000), the X is one heck of a cruising motorcycle. Mine beat all comers at Phil Peterson's Miami Harley Davidson Anniversary Dyno Shootout, including the lone Hayabusa that came to embarass the American motorcycles.
CMC/Indian imrpoved dramatically, but never got past being just another Harley clone with skirted fenders. It simply wasn't an Indian.
But had Excelsior hit the market three years sooner with a 1200 Sporty motor, there may have been enough sales to build a following and a war chest by the time they finished developing that magnificent little engine that they had designed by those Engish racing guys!

James Franklin <jimw650@...> wrote:
But now that we have brought EH into it, never read a test where the
journalists liked it, and what I did read about the company is, they spent
way too much on an extravagant office building and perks for the brothers
who started it, and should have spent more money on promotion and
establishing dealerships.

For the CMC Indian, for their last two years, they had a new CEO and build
quality was way up..but they burned a lot of bridges with their initial
bikes, mostly CDI and other component problems..but the bike was more of an
assembled than a manufactured bike.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:31:23 -1000

Actually, that quote attributed to me, was not from me, don't know where it
came from, but was probably a reply to what I had written earlier about the
CMC

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:42:43 -0000

Excelsior-Henderson bit the dust when the dotcoms took off. They
needed money to ramp up production, and most of their investors
pulled out and started putting their money in dotcoms instead. Too
bad. My 11 second EH was one of the most satisfying bikes I ever
owned!--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin"
<jimw650@...> wrote:

The Excelsior/Henderson people screwed that up even though they

had huge

backing money. Indian (California Motorcycle Company version, not

the

Springfield company original) sold really poor quality motorcycles

in the

beginning, some of it was bad suppliers...the bike was a

composite, and some

of it of course, was trying to build too many, too soon. In their

last

couple of years the product was better quality, but the bike had a

limited

market, and those really interested probably bought the original

bikes and

got burned.



James Franklin
P.O. Box 289
Waimanalo, HI 96795-0289
USA
808-225-0994 (cell)




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From: "kevin_cooklin" <kcooklin@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:00:38 -0000

Hey, Den--

If I remember our goodly Gene had a GB? They are not cheap

anymore.

Distant memories
tell me my own papa (I'm not Italian but am using this for

literary effect

only) bought one,
then lost it in a poker game. The dog. He could have waited for

me to take

it for a spin.
But it's a gorgeous bike. To. Be. Sure.

Ninja. I probably just need to hop on one sometime and go crazy.

In all

honesty, I've had
this anti-crotch-rocket mentality all my life, and I don't know

why.

There's no reason for
it. I graduated from high school in 1980. There's absolutely no

sense to

it. So I need to
overcome the prejudice and give it a go. Come on out and let me

take yours

for a spin. I
still would sell off my house for a 750 Norton Roadster, though.

It be in

the blood.

Don't completely rule out the new Norton, although all bets are

most likely

on failure.
Huge undertaking, and underfunding is always the killer. [The

attempt to

bring back the
Indian is an architypal model on the subject, and they had BIG

funding].

Still, I like a guy
or gal who is so passionate about what he does that he/she f____s

up the

funding, doesn't
get it right, and yet..... had to do it. Artists, creative folk,

so rarely

get the accounting, but
they get everything else. Let's hope he gets through it.

Did you sell the W because you were tired of it or because you

wanted to

gain a couple of
other cool bikes?

kev




--- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos"

<djguggms@>

wrote:

Kev

The GB is buckets of fun, and a sure conversation starter just

like the

W. The Ninja isn't
a 114hp 600 four, just a lowly 65 hp twin. Tops out around 130 I

hear but

I'll never find
out for myself. It does get to the ton in a hurry though. It has a

pretty

fair power band,
kind of like a super W, useable low end, comes on the cam about 6k

and pulls

like a m-f-
r. Red line at 11k but max power at around 8800. They cheaped out

on the

suspension,
the only adjustment is rear spring preload. The forks are just

beefier W

forks. However
that frame is super stiff, the racers love it.

Sold the W to a guy that walked into the local dealer where I

had left

word. Seems like a
nice kid, said that's they way he would have wanted to fix it up

so I saved

him a lot of
trouble. He does a lot of 2-up with his gf and they like it.

They're not

really near here so
not likely I'll see it again.

I read a bike tabloid a month or so ago that told of the demise

of the

Norton. I suppose
if they can find another bunch of money it could still be a go. I

don't

trust everything I read
on their website now as the $ meltdown happened months ago but the

website

didn't say
anything about it.

Dennis






----- Original Message -----
From: kevin_cooklin
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:29 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all....


Dennis--

Wow, two other bikes.... and sold your W. Hey, the GB500 has

to be a

blast, as does the

Ninja. I'm pretty sure I'd kill myself with a Ninja. Of

course, now

that you've sold the W,

you must resign your office! Kidding, of course. Did you sell

the W to

a pal, or on Ebay,

or.... just curious.

Did the new Norton just call it quits recently? I was

checking them as

recently as a
month

ago; at that time they indicated they'd quit their factory

and were in

search for another.

They were also seeking more money, of course. But they had

not formally

thrown in
the

towel. What a shame. But heck, that new Ducati Sport Classic,

the GT,

sure looks nice.

Haven't seen one for real yet.

Yes, need to get out there more on the bike. It's already

feeling like

fall here in PA.

Best,

kev
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In my experience, changing an 883 into a 1200 is an afternoon's work and three hundred bucks. That makes the 883 comparison moot.

James Franklin wrote:

A stock 1200 Sportster is doing the 1/4 in 13.02...half a second quicker
than the fastest W 650 I have ever seen a test on. At 100 MPH (the HDs
terminal speed), 1/2 second would be about 75 feet ahead, the W rider would
know he lost, but the Sportster rider would know he was close.

The 1200 makes 64.4 HP, 20 more than a stock W.

It's stock torque is 72.7 lb-ft at 3700 RPM, which would be around 70 MPH,
or twice what the W has at that speed in 5th.

A W, not even a 50 HP W, is not much of a roll-on challenge for a 1200
Sportster.

But an 883, which costs (supposedly) closer to the W, really isn't in the
same performance class.

The 883 makes 43.1 HP, about two less than the average W, yet weighs 50 lbs
more.

the 883 makes 43 ft lbs torque at 4550 RPM, the W 37.5 5100 RPM (that is
around 80 MPH for the W)

The best 1/4 mile I have seen for an 883..15.16 sec at 88.33 MPH (that puts
it right there with a good Honda CB 350 or a Suzuki X6 Hustler). The
slowest W test I have is 14.33 @ 92.34

The W, when compared to the Sportster, is a revver. When you compare it to
a stock 883, you get a lot more performance for your money. The 883 needs
pipes, and a cam, with a little chip manipulation to match a stock W. Not
much after market hi-perf stuff is available for the W, but the W is a
retro, and it is quicker than a 60s Bonneville or Lightning. And the W is
pretty low key, it has a compression ratio of only 8.4 to 1, whereas the
Yamaha XS 650 was 10 to 1. Has anyone shaved the heads on a W to see what
kind of power is available there? Jon, you just did pipes and jets and got
50 HP.

Jon, you probably beat the rider, not the machine, if what you rolled away
from was a 1200 and you did it in 5th gear, but there is no dishonor in
downshifting if the other bike has a 500cc advantage. I have ridden a lot of
Sportsters (883s/1000s/1200s)..none of the rubber mounted engine ones
yet..but I never rode a Sportster as comfortable as the W, or as confidant
at parking lot speeds. And I bet Lucy was much more comfortable on the back
of your W than she would have been on that skinny slab HD provides for a
passenger on the Sportster.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Jonhaddock@..."
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To:
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:56:42 +0100


Well a stock one isn't as quick as a W650 which is about as slow as modern
motorcycles get....which makes the Sporty pretty slow. Certainly my warmed
up W will beat a loud piped 1200 Sporty from 60 to 100 plus....two
up.....And Lucy was on the back when we did it...


>A 1200 Sporty is by no means slow. It's about as fast a Harley
> platform as there is. /--- In W650riders@..., "Alexander
> Ward" wrote:
>>
>> I've been lurking on this list for years, but now I have to chime
> in
>> on this topic.
>>
>> I think the Sportster is a great partner to the W650. I have both
> a
>> 2000 W650 and a 1996 Sportster XL1200S Sport. The Sport has
>> adjustable Showa forks and dual front discs. If you add rearsets
> and
>> clipons and a decent seat, then it becomes a really fun scoot. '
>>
>> No, it is not particularly fast, but the wide flat powerband
>> and more than ample torque combine with decent handling and
> braking
>> to make it easy to ride without requiring a lot of work. If you
>> switch to 17" wheels and sticky tires it gets even better. Don't
>> worry about the vibration if you buy an older one with a solid-
> mount
>> engine, just install BalanceMasters active vibration dampers and
>> fiddle with the final drive ratios (or even switch to chain drive)
>> and once it is dialed in, then just enjoy it.
>>
>> Although any Japanese 600 can run rings around it, that is
> balanced
>> out by the double-takes from all of the head-to-toe leather-clad
>> dumplings on their cool Harleys who are cruising along at 30mph
> when
>> you pass them on the outside of a curve.
>>
>> You do have to think about it though. One of the classic
> disparaging
>> comments about Harleys is that they vibrate so much that parts
> fall
>> off. It is true, too. the first time I rode the Sporty any
>> distance, both mirrors, the taillight, and one turn signal fell
> off.
>> I felt like I had finally gained admittance to a long and proud
>> tradition!
>>
>> At any rate, keep the W650, get a Sportster too.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> --- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty
> will
>> feel
>> > slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD
> never
>> quote)
>> > but it is a lot heavier
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: W650riders@...
>> [mailto:W650riders@...] On
>> > Behalf Of John
>> > Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
>> > To: W650riders@...
>> > Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the
> w.
>> What
>> > are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?
>> >
>>
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How much does the Halrey weigh, James?

Ruari

#4 - The manual is wrong. :)

Jake

Thanks, Kirk, I will sign now!

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James
I believe the original 1970 XS1 had 9:1 compression, and all subsequent XS's had 8.4:1.
Just FYI. Source and my challengeable memory.

Dennis

A stock 1200 Sportster is doing the 1/4 in 13.02...half a second quicker than the fastest W 650 I have ever seen a test on. At 100 MPH (the HDs terminal speed), 1/2 second would be about 75 feet ahead, the W rider would know he lost, but the Sportster rider would know he was close.

The 1200 makes 64.4 HP, 20 more than a stock W.

It's stock torque is 72.7 lb-ft at 3700 RPM, which would be around 70 MPH, or twice what the W has at that speed in 5th.

A W, not even a 50 HP W, is not much of a roll-on challenge for a 1200 Sportster.

But an 883, which costs (supposedly) closer to the W, really isn't in the same performance class.

The 883 makes 43.1 HP, about two less than the average W, yet weighs 50 lbs more.

the 883 makes 43 ft lbs torque at 4550 RPM, the W 37.5 5100 RPM (that is around 80 MPH for the W)

The best 1/4 mile I have seen for an 883..15.16 sec at 88.33 MPH (that puts it right there with a good Honda CB 350 or a Suzuki X6 Hustler). The slowest W test I have is 14.33 @ 92.34

The W, when compared to the Sportster, is a revver. When you compare it to a stock 883, you get a lot more performance for your money. The 883 needs pipes, and a cam, with a little chip manipulation to match a stock W. Not much after market hi-perf stuff is available for the W, but the W is a retro, and it is quicker than a 60s Bonneville or Lightning. And the W is pretty low key, it has a compression ratio of only 8.4 to 1, whereas the Yamaha XS 650 was 10 to 1. Has anyone shaved the heads on a W to see what kind of power is available there? Jon, you just did pipes and jets and got 50 HP.

Jon, you probably beat the rider, not the machine, if what you rolled away from was a 1200 and you did it in 5th gear, but there is no dishonor in downshifting if the other bike has a 500cc advantage. I have ridden a lot of Sportsters (883s/1000s/1200s)..none of the rubber mounted engine ones yet..but I never rode a Sportster as comfortable as the W, or as confidant at parking lot speeds. And I bet Lucy was much more comfortable on the back of your W than she would have been on that skinny slab HD provides for a passenger on the Sportster.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:56:42 +0100


Well a stock one isn't as quick as a W650 which is about as slow as modern
motorcycles get....which makes the Sporty pretty slow. Certainly my warmed
up W will beat a loud piped 1200 Sporty from 60 to 100 plus....two
up.....And Lucy was on the back when we did it...

A 1200 Sporty is by no means slow. It's about as fast a Harley
platform as there is. /--- In W650riders@..., "Alexander
Ward" <award@...> wrote:

I've been lurking on this list for years, but now I have to chime

in

on this topic.

I think the Sportster is a great partner to the W650. I have both

a

2000 W650 and a 1996 Sportster XL1200S Sport. The Sport has
adjustable Showa forks and dual front discs. If you add rearsets

and

clipons and a decent seat, then it becomes a really fun scoot. '

No, it is not particularly fast, but the wide flat powerband
and more than ample torque combine with decent handling and

braking

to make it easy to ride without requiring a lot of work. If you
switch to 17" wheels and sticky tires it gets even better. Don't
worry about the vibration if you buy an older one with a solid-

mount

engine, just install BalanceMasters active vibration dampers and
fiddle with the final drive ratios (or even switch to chain drive)
and once it is dialed in, then just enjoy it.

Although any Japanese 600 can run rings around it, that is

balanced

out by the double-takes from all of the head-to-toe leather-clad
dumplings on their cool Harleys who are cruising along at 30mph

when

you pass them on the outside of a curve.

You do have to think about it though. One of the classic

disparaging

comments about Harleys is that they vibrate so much that parts

fall

off. It is true, too. the first time I rode the Sporty any
distance, both mirrors, the taillight, and one turn signal fell

off.

I felt like I had finally gained admittance to a long and proud
tradition!

At any rate, keep the W650, get a Sportster too.

Alex

--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@> wrote:

Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty

will

feel

slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD

never

quote)

but it is a lot heavier



From: W650riders@...

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Behalf Of John
Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650



I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the

w.

What

are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?

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#1 Just joined W650riders a few days ago and really appreciate all
the
great tech advice.

#2 I've seen some mention about Shell Rotella 15W40
really smoothing out downshifts. True? Also, can the same be
accomplished with an additive? I onced tried the Rotella in my Grand
National because a buddy said it could handle the heat of the turbo
better than 5W30. In the end, I went back to 5W30 because the slight
increase in pressure from the Rotella gave me nothing in better
performance.

#3 I saw an old thread about the annoying headlight rattle. I
fixed mine without bending the flanges on the lamps ring, but
instead, ran a couple wraps of teflon tape at the seal. It snugged up
pretty good.

#4 What actually WAS the final word on the fuel tap? To be safe, I
always top off the tank before heading out. My W is a 2000 and on
page 35 of the OM it shows the "ON" position with the LONGER end of
the flange covering the "RES" lettering.

#5 Any members in Oakland County, Michigan.

Kindest Regards,

DB

But now that we have brought EH into it, never read a test where the
journalists liked it, and what I did read about the company is, they spent
way too much on an extravagant office building and perks for the brothers
who started it, and should have spent more money on promotion and
establishing dealerships.

For the CMC Indian, for their last two years, they had a new CEO and build
quality was way up..but they burned a lot of bridges with their initial
bikes, mostly CDI and other component problems..but the bike was more of an
assembled than a manufactured bike.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:31:23 -1000

Actually, that quote attributed to me, was not from me, don't know where it
came from, but was probably a reply to what I had written earlier about the
CMC

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:42:43 -0000

Excelsior-Henderson bit the dust when the dotcoms took off. They
needed money to ramp up production, and most of their investors
pulled out and started putting their money in dotcoms instead. Too
bad. My 11 second EH was one of the most satisfying bikes I ever
owned!--- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "James Franklin"
> wrote:
>
> The Excelsior/Henderson people screwed that up even though they
had huge
> backing money. Indian (California Motorcycle Company version, not
the
> Springfield company original) sold really poor quality motorcycles
in the
> beginning, some of it was bad suppliers...the bike was a
composite, and some
> of it of course, was trying to build too many, too soon. In their
last
> couple of years the product was better quality, but the bike had a
limited
> market, and those really interested probably bought the original
bikes and
> got burned.
>
>
>
> James Franklin
> P.O. Box 289
> Waimanalo, HI 96795-0289
> USA
> 808-225-0994 (cell)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "kevin_cooklin" .>
> Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:00:38 -0000
>
> Hey, Den--
>
> If I remember our goodly Gene had a GB? They are not cheap
anymore.
> Distant memories
> tell me my own papa (I'm not Italian but am using this for
literary effect
> only) bought one,
> then lost it in a poker game. The dog. He could have waited for
me to take
> it for a spin.
> But it's a gorgeous bike. To. Be. Sure.
>
> Ninja. I probably just need to hop on one sometime and go crazy.
In all
> honesty, I've had
> this anti-crotch-rocket mentality all my life, and I don't know
why.
> There's no reason for
> it. I graduated from high school in 1980. There's absolutely no
sense to
> it. So I need to
> overcome the prejudice and give it a go. Come on out and let me
take yours
> for a spin. I
> still would sell off my house for a 750 Norton Roadster, though.
It be in
> the blood.
>
> Don't completely rule out the new Norton, although all bets are
most likely
> on failure.
> Huge undertaking, and underfunding is always the killer. [The
attempt to
> bring back the
> Indian is an architypal model on the subject, and they had BIG
funding].
> Still, I like a guy
> or gal who is so passionate about what he does that he/she f____s
up the
> funding, doesn't
> get it right, and yet..... had to do it. Artists, creative folk,
so rarely
> get the accounting, but
> they get everything else. Let's hope he gets through it.
>
> Did you sell the W because you were tired of it or because you
wanted to
> gain a couple of
> other cool bikes?
>
> kev
>
>
>
>
> --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis J. Guggemos"

> wrote:
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > The GB is buckets of fun, and a sure conversation starter just
like the
> W. The Ninja isn't
> a 114hp 600 four, just a lowly 65 hp twin. Tops out around 130 I
hear but
> I'll never find
> out for myself. It does get to the ton in a hurry though. It has a
pretty
> fair power band,
> kind of like a super W, useable low end, comes on the cam about 6k
and pulls
> like a m-f-
> r. Red line at 11k but max power at around 8800. They cheaped out
on the
> suspension,
> the only adjustment is rear spring preload. The forks are just
beefier W
> forks. However
> that frame is super stiff, the racers love it.
> >
> > Sold the W to a guy that walked into the local dealer where I
had left
> word. Seems like a
> nice kid, said that's they way he would have wanted to fix it up
so I saved
> him a lot of
> trouble. He does a lot of 2-up with his gf and they like it.
They're not
> really near here so
> not likely I'll see it again.
> >
> > I read a bike tabloid a month or so ago that told of the demise
of the
> Norton. I suppose
> if they can find another bunch of money it could still be a go. I
don't
> trust everything I read
> on their website now as the $ meltdown happened months ago but the
website
> didn't say
> anything about it.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kevin_cooklin
> > To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:29 AM
> > Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all....
> >
> >
> > Dennis--
> >
> > Wow, two other bikes.... and sold your W. Hey, the GB500 has
to be a
> blast, as does the
> > Ninja. I'm pretty sure I'd kill myself with a Ninja. Of
course, now
> that you've sold the W,
> > you must resign your office! Kidding, of course. Did you sell
the W to
> a pal, or on Ebay,
> > or.... just curious.
> >
> > Did the new Norton just call it quits recently? I was
checking them as
> recently as a
> month
> > ago; at that time they indicated they'd quit their factory
and were in
> search for another.
> > They were also seeking more money, of course. But they had
not formally
> thrown in
> the
> > towel. What a shame. But heck, that new Ducati Sport Classic,
the GT,
> sure looks nice.
> > Haven't seen one for real yet.
> >
> > Yes, need to get out there more on the bike. It's already
feeling like
> fall here in PA.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > kev
> > Recent Activity
> > a.. 16New Members
> > b.. 1New Files
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Well a stock one isn't as quick as a W650 which is about as slow as modern motorcycles get....which makes the Sporty pretty slow. Certainly my warmed up W will beat a loud piped 1200 Sporty from 60 to 100 plus....two up.....And Lucy was on the back when we did it...

I always considered the CMC/Indian to be something P.T. Barnum would have been proud to have sold.

James Franklin wrote:

Actually, that quote attributed to me, was not from me, don't know where it
came from, but was probably a reply to what I had written earlier about the
CMC

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:42:43 -0000

Excelsior-Henderson bit the dust when the dotcoms took off. They
needed money to ramp up production, and most of their investors
pulled out and started putting their money in dotcoms instead. Too
bad. My 11 second EH was one of the most satisfying bikes I ever
owned!--- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "James Franklin"
> wrote:
>
> The Excelsior/Henderson people screwed that up even though they
had huge
> backing money. Indian (California Motorcycle Company version, not
the
> Springfield company original) sold really poor quality motorcycles
in the
> beginning, some of it was bad suppliers...the bike was a
composite, and some
> of it of course, was trying to build too many, too soon. In their
last
> couple of years the product was better quality, but the bike had a
limited
> market, and those really interested probably bought the original
bikes and
> got burned.
>
>
>
> James Franklin
> P.O. Box 289
> Waimanalo, HI 96795-0289
> USA
> 808-225-0994 (cell)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "kevin_cooklin" .>
> Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:00:38 -0000
>
> Hey, Den--
>
> If I remember our goodly Gene had a GB? They are not cheap
anymore.
> Distant memories
> tell me my own papa (I'm not Italian but am using this for
literary effect
> only) bought one,
> then lost it in a poker game. The dog. He could have waited for
me to take
> it for a spin.
> But it's a gorgeous bike. To. Be. Sure.
>
> Ninja. I probably just need to hop on one sometime and go crazy.
In all
> honesty, I've had
> this anti-crotch-rocket mentality all my life, and I don't know
why.
> There's no reason for
> it. I graduated from high school in 1980. There's absolutely no
sense to
> it. So I need to
> overcome the prejudice and give it a go. Come on out and let me
take yours
> for a spin. I
> still would sell off my house for a 750 Norton Roadster, though.
It be in
> the blood.
>
> Don't completely rule out the new Norton, although all bets are
most likely
> on failure.
> Huge undertaking, and underfunding is always the killer. [The
attempt to
> bring back the
> Indian is an architypal model on the subject, and they had BIG
funding].
> Still, I like a guy
> or gal who is so passionate about what he does that he/she f____s
up the
> funding, doesn't
> get it right, and yet..... had to do it. Artists, creative folk,
so rarely
> get the accounting, but
> they get everything else. Let's hope he gets through it.
>
> Did you sell the W because you were tired of it or because you
wanted to
> gain a couple of
> other cool bikes?
>
> kev
>
>
>
>
> --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis J. Guggemos"

> wrote:
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > The GB is buckets of fun, and a sure conversation starter just
like the
> W. The Ninja isn't
> a 114hp 600 four, just a lowly 65 hp twin. Tops out around 130 I
hear but
> I'll never find
> out for myself. It does get to the ton in a hurry though. It has a
pretty
> fair power band,
> kind of like a super W, useable low end, comes on the cam about 6k
and pulls
> like a m-f-
> r. Red line at 11k but max power at around 8800. They cheaped out
on the
> suspension,
> the only adjustment is rear spring preload. The forks are just
beefier W
> forks. However
> that frame is super stiff, the racers love it.
> >
> > Sold the W to a guy that walked into the local dealer where I
had left
> word. Seems like a
> nice kid, said that's they way he would have wanted to fix it up
so I saved
> him a lot of
> trouble. He does a lot of 2-up with his gf and they like it.
They're not
> really near here so
> not likely I'll see it again.
> >
> > I read a bike tabloid a month or so ago that told of the demise
of the
> Norton. I suppose
> if they can find another bunch of money it could still be a go. I
don't
> trust everything I read
> on their website now as the $ meltdown happened months ago but the
website
> didn't say
> anything about it.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kevin_cooklin
> > To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:29 AM
> > Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all....
> >
> >
> > Dennis--
> >
> > Wow, two other bikes.... and sold your W. Hey, the GB500 has
to be a
> blast, as does the
> > Ninja. I'm pretty sure I'd kill myself with a Ninja. Of
course, now
> that you've sold the W,
> > you must resign your office! Kidding, of course. Did you sell
the W to
> a pal, or on Ebay,
> > or.... just curious.
> >
> > Did the new Norton just call it quits recently? I was
checking them as
> recently as a
> month
> > ago; at that time they indicated they'd quit their factory
and were in
> search for another.
> > They were also seeking more money, of course. But they had
not formally
> thrown in
> the
> > towel. What a shame. But heck, that new Ducati Sport Classic,
the GT,
> sure looks nice.
> > Haven't seen one for real yet.
> >
> > Yes, need to get out there more on the bike. It's already
feeling like
> fall here in PA.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > kev
> > Recent Activity
> > a.. 16New Members
> > b.. 1New Files
> > Visit Your Group
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > a.. Kawasaki motorcycles
> > b.. Kawasaki vulcan
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> > Space News
> >
> > Get the latest
> >
> > space related news
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But now that we have brought EH into it, never read a test where the journalists liked it, and what I did read about the company is, they spent way too much on an extravagant office building and perks for the brothers who started it, and should have spent more money on promotion and establishing dealerships.

For the CMC Indian, for their last two years, they had a new CEO and build quality was way up..but they burned a lot of bridges with their initial bikes, mostly CDI and other component problems..but the bike was more of an assembled than a manufactured bike.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: RE: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:31:23 -1000

Actually, that quote attributed to me, was not from me, don't know where it
came from, but was probably a reply to what I had written earlier about the
CMC



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:42:43 -0000

Excelsior-Henderson bit the dust when the dotcoms took off. They
needed money to ramp up production, and most of their investors
pulled out and started putting their money in dotcoms instead. Too
bad. My 11 second EH was one of the most satisfying bikes I ever
owned!--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin"
<jimw650@...> wrote:
>
> The Excelsior/Henderson people screwed that up even though they
had huge
> backing money. Indian (California Motorcycle Company version, not
the
> Springfield company original) sold really poor quality motorcycles
in the
> beginning, some of it was bad suppliers...the bike was a
composite, and some
> of it of course, was trying to build too many, too soon. In their
last
> couple of years the product was better quality, but the bike had a
limited
> market, and those really interested probably bought the original
bikes and
> got burned.
>
>
>
> James Franklin
> P.O. Box 289
> Waimanalo, HI 96795-0289
> USA
> 808-225-0994 (cell)
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "kevin_cooklin" <kcooklin@...>
> Reply-To: W650riders@...
> To: W650riders@...
> Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:00:38 -0000
>
> Hey, Den--
>
> If I remember our goodly Gene had a GB? They are not cheap
anymore.
> Distant memories
> tell me my own papa (I'm not Italian but am using this for
literary effect
> only) bought one,
> then lost it in a poker game. The dog. He could have waited for
me to take
> it for a spin.
> But it's a gorgeous bike. To. Be. Sure.
>
> Ninja. I probably just need to hop on one sometime and go crazy.
In all
> honesty, I've had
> this anti-crotch-rocket mentality all my life, and I don't know
why.
> There's no reason for
> it. I graduated from high school in 1980. There's absolutely no
sense to
> it. So I need to
> overcome the prejudice and give it a go. Come on out and let me
take yours
> for a spin. I
> still would sell off my house for a 750 Norton Roadster, though.
It be in
> the blood.
>
> Don't completely rule out the new Norton, although all bets are
most likely
> on failure.
> Huge undertaking, and underfunding is always the killer. [The
attempt to
> bring back the
> Indian is an architypal model on the subject, and they had BIG
funding].
> Still, I like a guy
> or gal who is so passionate about what he does that he/she f____s
up the
> funding, doesn't
> get it right, and yet..... had to do it. Artists, creative folk,
so rarely
> get the accounting, but
> they get everything else. Let's hope he gets through it.
>
> Did you sell the W because you were tired of it or because you
wanted to
> gain a couple of
> other cool bikes?
>
> kev
>
>
>
>
> --- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos"
<djguggms@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > The GB is buckets of fun, and a sure conversation starter just
like the
> W. The Ninja isn't
> a 114hp 600 four, just a lowly 65 hp twin. Tops out around 130 I
hear but
> I'll never find
> out for myself. It does get to the ton in a hurry though. It has a
pretty
> fair power band,
> kind of like a super W, useable low end, comes on the cam about 6k
and pulls
> like a m-f-
> r. Red line at 11k but max power at around 8800. They cheaped out
on the
> suspension,
> the only adjustment is rear spring preload. The forks are just
beefier W
> forks. However
> that frame is super stiff, the racers love it.
> >
> > Sold the W to a guy that walked into the local dealer where I
had left
> word. Seems like a
> nice kid, said that's they way he would have wanted to fix it up
so I saved
> him a lot of
> trouble. He does a lot of 2-up with his gf and they like it.
They're not
> really near here so
> not likely I'll see it again.
> >
> > I read a bike tabloid a month or so ago that told of the demise
of the
> Norton. I suppose
> if they can find another bunch of money it could still be a go. I
don't
> trust everything I read
> on their website now as the $ meltdown happened months ago but the
website
> didn't say
> anything about it.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kevin_cooklin
> > To: W650riders@...
> > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:29 AM
> > Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all....
> >
> >
> > Dennis--
> >
> > Wow, two other bikes.... and sold your W. Hey, the GB500 has
to be a
> blast, as does the
> > Ninja. I'm pretty sure I'd kill myself with a Ninja. Of
course, now
> that you've sold the W,
> > you must resign your office! Kidding, of course. Did you sell
the W to
> a pal, or on Ebay,
> > or.... just curious.
> >
> > Did the new Norton just call it quits recently? I was
checking them as
> recently as a
> month
> > ago; at that time they indicated they'd quit their factory
and were in
> search for another.
> > They were also seeking more money, of course. But they had
not formally
> thrown in
> the
> > towel. What a shame. But heck, that new Ducati Sport Classic,
the GT,
> sure looks nice.
> > Haven't seen one for real yet.
> >
> > Yes, need to get out there more on the bike. It's already
feeling like
> fall here in PA.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > kev
> > Recent Activity
> > a.. 16New Members
> > b.. 1New Files
> > Visit Your Group
> > SPONSORED LINKS
> > a.. Kawasaki motorcycles
> > b.. Kawasaki vulcan
> > c.. Kawasaki motorcycle accessory
> > d.. Kawasaki motorcycle exhaust
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> > Space News
> >
> > Get the latest
> >
> > space related news
> >
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> > Get it Free!
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Have you actually ridden a 1200 Sporty?--- In
W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras" <larry.botheras@...>
wrote:

Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty will

feel

slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD never

quote)

but it is a lot heavier



From: W650riders@...

[mailto:W650riders@...] On

Behalf Of John
Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650



I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the w.

What

are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?

A 1200 Sporty is by no means slow. It's about as fast a Harley
platform as there is. /--- In W650riders@..., "Alexander
Ward" <award@...> wrote:

I've been lurking on this list for years, but now I have to chime

in

on this topic.

I think the Sportster is a great partner to the W650. I have both

a

2000 W650 and a 1996 Sportster XL1200S Sport. The Sport has
adjustable Showa forks and dual front discs. If you add rearsets

and

clipons and a decent seat, then it becomes a really fun scoot. '

No, it is not particularly fast, but the wide flat powerband
and more than ample torque combine with decent handling and

braking

to make it easy to ride without requiring a lot of work. If you
switch to 17" wheels and sticky tires it gets even better. Don't
worry about the vibration if you buy an older one with a solid-

mount

engine, just install BalanceMasters active vibration dampers and
fiddle with the final drive ratios (or even switch to chain drive)
and once it is dialed in, then just enjoy it.

Although any Japanese 600 can run rings around it, that is

balanced

out by the double-takes from all of the head-to-toe leather-clad
dumplings on their cool Harleys who are cruising along at 30mph

when

you pass them on the outside of a curve.

You do have to think about it though. One of the classic

disparaging

comments about Harleys is that they vibrate so much that parts

fall

off. It is true, too. the first time I rode the Sporty any
distance, both mirrors, the taillight, and one turn signal fell

off.

I felt like I had finally gained admittance to a long and proud
tradition!

At any rate, keep the W650, get a Sportster too.

Alex

--- In W650riders@..., "Larry Botheras"
<larry.botheras@> wrote:

Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty

will

feel

slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD

never

quote)

but it is a lot heavier



From: W650riders@...

[mailto:W650riders@...] On

Behalf Of John
Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650



I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the

w.

What

are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?

Actually, that quote attributed to me, was not from me, don't know where it came from, but was probably a reply to what I had written earlier about the CMC



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "john gary simpson" <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:42:43 -0000

Excelsior-Henderson bit the dust when the dotcoms took off. They
needed money to ramp up production, and most of their investors
pulled out and started putting their money in dotcoms instead. Too
bad. My 11 second EH was one of the most satisfying bikes I ever
owned!--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin"
<jimw650@...> wrote:

The Excelsior/Henderson people screwed that up even though they

had huge

backing money. Indian (California Motorcycle Company version, not

the

Springfield company original) sold really poor quality motorcycles

in the

beginning, some of it was bad suppliers...the bike was a

composite, and some

of it of course, was trying to build too many, too soon. In their

last

couple of years the product was better quality, but the bike had a

limited

market, and those really interested probably bought the original

bikes and

got burned.



James Franklin
P.O. Box 289
Waimanalo, HI 96795-0289
USA
808-225-0994 (cell)




----Original Message Follows----
From: "kevin_cooklin" <kcooklin@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all.... nwc
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 02:00:38 -0000

Hey, Den--

If I remember our goodly Gene had a GB? They are not cheap

anymore.

Distant memories
tell me my own papa (I'm not Italian but am using this for

literary effect

only) bought one,
then lost it in a poker game. The dog. He could have waited for

me to take

it for a spin.
But it's a gorgeous bike. To. Be. Sure.

Ninja. I probably just need to hop on one sometime and go crazy.

In all

honesty, I've had
this anti-crotch-rocket mentality all my life, and I don't know

why.

There's no reason for
it. I graduated from high school in 1980. There's absolutely no

sense to

it. So I need to
overcome the prejudice and give it a go. Come on out and let me

take yours

for a spin. I
still would sell off my house for a 750 Norton Roadster, though.

It be in

the blood.

Don't completely rule out the new Norton, although all bets are

most likely

on failure.
Huge undertaking, and underfunding is always the killer. [The

attempt to

bring back the
Indian is an architypal model on the subject, and they had BIG

funding].

Still, I like a guy
or gal who is so passionate about what he does that he/she f____s

up the

funding, doesn't
get it right, and yet..... had to do it. Artists, creative folk,

so rarely

get the accounting, but
they get everything else. Let's hope he gets through it.

Did you sell the W because you were tired of it or because you

wanted to

gain a couple of
other cool bikes?

kev




--- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos"

<djguggms@>

wrote:
>
> Kev
>
> The GB is buckets of fun, and a sure conversation starter just

like the

W. The Ninja isn't
a 114hp 600 four, just a lowly 65 hp twin. Tops out around 130 I

hear but

I'll never find
out for myself. It does get to the ton in a hurry though. It has a

pretty

fair power band,
kind of like a super W, useable low end, comes on the cam about 6k

and pulls

like a m-f-
r. Red line at 11k but max power at around 8800. They cheaped out

on the

suspension,
the only adjustment is rear spring preload. The forks are just

beefier W

forks. However
that frame is super stiff, the racers love it.
>
> Sold the W to a guy that walked into the local dealer where I

had left

word. Seems like a
nice kid, said that's they way he would have wanted to fix it up

so I saved

him a lot of
trouble. He does a lot of 2-up with his gf and they like it.

They're not

really near here so
not likely I'll see it again.
>
> I read a bike tabloid a month or so ago that told of the demise

of the

Norton. I suppose
if they can find another bunch of money it could still be a go. I

don't

trust everything I read
on their website now as the $ meltdown happened months ago but the

website

didn't say
anything about it.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kevin_cooklin
> To: W650riders@...
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:29 AM
> Subject: [W650riders] Re: 95, 295, 495 Highways, all....
>
>
> Dennis--
>
> Wow, two other bikes.... and sold your W. Hey, the GB500 has

to be a

blast, as does the
> Ninja. I'm pretty sure I'd kill myself with a Ninja. Of

course, now

that you've sold the W,
> you must resign your office! Kidding, of course. Did you sell

the W to

a pal, or on Ebay,
> or.... just curious.
>
> Did the new Norton just call it quits recently? I was

checking them as

recently as a
month
> ago; at that time they indicated they'd quit their factory

and were in

search for another.
> They were also seeking more money, of course. But they had

not formally

thrown in
the
> towel. What a shame. But heck, that new Ducati Sport Classic,

the GT,

sure looks nice.
> Haven't seen one for real yet.
>
> Yes, need to get out there more on the bike. It's already

feeling like

fall here in PA.
>
> Best,
>
> kev
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