----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis J. Guggemos

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

Friday the 13th done come on a _________ (insert day of week here, but not "Friday")

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Dennis

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----- Original Message -----

From: Gene Fitch

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruari McLennan"
> We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
> identification and correct wording, I forget it).

We have seen the enemy and he are us.

-Pogo-

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis J. Guggemos

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

pogo

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ruari McLennan

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

I never looked at Itsthewar - so I peeked just now - I assumed that
itsthewar was the whole Yahoo world with a couple of WRiders chiming in from
time to time -OhmiGawd it's the same people -
We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
identification and correct wording, I forget it).
Instead, it seems the WRiders are the whole world! Or war.

Ruari

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The quote is from Pogo



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:53:25 -0700

I never looked at Itsthewar - so I peeked just now - I assumed that
itsthewar was the whole Yahoo world with a couple of WRiders chiming in from
time to time -OhmiGawd it's the same people -
We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
identification and correct wording, I forget it).
Instead, it seems the WRiders are the whole world! Or war.

Ruari

----- Original Message -----
From: <jake@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC


Hey Roy! It's
You may talk all funny and such, but you're very welcome there!

Jake


Original Message:
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From: Roy Easthill roy@...

BlankI've lost the new 'Its the War' group E-mail address.
I don't join in much but like to see what others are discussing.
Can someone remind me please?
Or am I not worthy...
Roy.



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pogo

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ruari McLennan

To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

I never looked at Itsthewar - so I peeked just now - I assumed that
itsthewar was the whole Yahoo world with a couple of WRiders chiming in from
time to time -OhmiGawd it's the same people -
We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
identification and correct wording, I forget it).
Instead, it seems the WRiders are the whole world! Or war.

Ruari

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene Fitch

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruari McLennan"
> We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
> identification and correct wording, I forget it).

We have seen the enemy and he are us.

-Pogo-

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruari McLennan

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC..Was Its the War NWC

I never looked at Itsthewar - so I peeked just now - I assumed that
itsthewar was the whole Yahoo world with a couple of WRiders chiming in from
time to time -OhmiGawd it's the same people -
We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
identification and correct wording, I forget it).
Instead, it seems the WRiders are the whole world! Or war.

Ruari

.

We have seen the enemy - and he is us! (valuable prize for correct quote
identification and correct wording, I forget it).

----- Original Message -----

From: Ruari McLennan

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] NWC: The Art of the Motorcycle book

So I go right away, you bloody tease, and it says Used - unavailable - out of stock!

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Ruari

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis J. Guggemos

To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:14 AM

Subject: [W650riders] NWC: The Art of the Motorcycle book

Cruising around Barnes $ Noble booksellers on line, I ran across used copies in good condition of The Art of the Motorcycle, from the Guggenheim display for only $19.50.? If you collect bike books, or only want to have one, this is the one to get. Beautiful pictures.

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Dennis

----- Original Message -----

From: Ray Ford

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:21 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson

That model of the Henderson was the first patrol vehicle the Ontario Provincial Police used, with in-line four cyl. engines. Surprisingly, it took them almost ten years to add cars to the fleet. I wonder how they got about during the winter? There's a small pic of the Henderson at:

Ray F.



On 13-Jul-07, at 2:29 PM, Larry Botheras wrote:

CAROLE Nash, the lady who owns the big UK bike insurance broker owns a fire truck red one like that….

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Larry Botheras

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Essex UK

W650 Wrench

2007 Moto Guzzi Norge

1977 KH400

1978 CD175

1994 Ural Solo

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From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On Behalf Of Ruari McLennan
Sent: 12 July 2007 23:05
To: W650 Riders
Subject: [W650riders] Henderson

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Hi:

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Here's that '31 Henderson again.

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Ruari

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----- Original Message -----

From: Anita Reid

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:24 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] throttle sensor adjustment

It's a special tool, I think best would be to ask a Kawasaki Dealer or mechanic and the standard he is not 100% sure about it either. I would call up a Kawasaki mechanic and ask for advice on the standard.

Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...> wrote:

Good shot at it, Anita!??? And thank your husband for us.? But...? Just to forestall the thousands of other people who will (I hope) display their ignorance by asking the same thing...??

And to put your husband on the hot seat, which is part of the fun? of our group (I've been there, believe me)

What's a throttle sensor setting adapter?? and what is standard?

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Ruari

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----- Original Message -----

From: Anita Reid

To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:44 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] throttle sensor adjustment

This is the info I got from my husband.

Connect the throttle sensor setting adapter between the sensor wire connectors.

start engine

operate engine at idle speed

loosen sensor mounting screws

adjust sensor mounting position to set the sensor output voltage to standard and tighten the mounting screws.

He actually only adjusted my throttle not the sensor.

james .net> wrote:

I have found that my bike's acceleration at full throttle at,say, 3,500-
4,000 rpm, is underwhelming in terms of an increase over 3/4 throttle.
I'm beginning to suspect that the throttle position sensor, which does
not provide full advance of 35 degrees until 5,000,is too conservative.
Happily, the throttle sensor is adjustable. Naturally, one does not
want to go to far with this as it may provoke "knock." Does any have
any experience adjusting this thing for a better advance curve?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis J. Guggemos

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:14 AM

Subject: [W650riders] NWC: The Art of the Motorcycle book

Cruising around Barnes $ Noble booksellers on line, I ran across used copies in good condition of The Art of the Motorcycle, from the Guggenheim display for only $19.50.? If you collect bike books, or only want to have one, this is the one to get. Beautiful pictures.

?

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Dennis

To operate the hand shift..

You start the bike by kicking it through, control grip opposite the
throttle, operated in a similer way as the throttle..retard to start, then
advance as you pick up speed..cars and bikes advance automatically now of
course.

While pressing down on the clutch with your left foot, you would select
first by pushing the gear shift forward with your hand, the lever was on one
side of the tank (Harley, I believe, had a left hand shift, right hand
throttle, Indian..a right hand shift, left hand throttle..anyway, I would
remember better had I ever operated one, but I only read about it..and
thought the foot clutch thing was a stupid idea, so I really didn't retain
the info all that well). Each of the successive gears was selected by
pulling the lever back..most had three..some had a reverse as side cars were
very common then.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:17:19 -0700

Thanks for the primer, James. How did the hand shift work, exactly? Twist
shifting?

And on another unrelated topic, I vaguely recall my Dad telling me some
bikes had a hand operated timing advance control lever for descending hills
etc., but I didn't listen well enough, do you know what proportion pre-
1960 had them? And UK or Britbikes?

Ruari


----- Original Message -----
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson

Most of the early motorcycles had them, at least early American
motorcycles..my book on American motorcycles features over 100 makes..I
left
it at my brothers house where I cannot look at it right now, but I do
remember seeing the foot clutch/hand shift on many of them..I think
technically, it has to be the spring loaded foot clutch and not the
"see-saw" type to be an actual suicide clutch, but having a foot operated
clutch on a motorcycle doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

We didn't start getting hand clutch/foot shift in USA made motorcycles
until
after WWII. The HDs made under license by a Japanese company made the
change before the licensor ever considered it, and the original
Springfield
Indian (which owned Henderson) went to its grave with foot clutches.

Suicide shifts were the spring loaded foot clutch, hand shift guys.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:53:10 -0700

Errr... Despite my vast knowledge of other fields, I'm still groping my
way
in bikes - what's a suicide shifter? Jake making the wrong bikini joke?

Ruari
----- Original Message -----
From: Tachokay@...
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Henderson


Close, but no suicide shifter... I thought only Harleys and Indians had
the suicide shifter...

In a message dated 7/12/2007 6:07:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
r.mclennan@... writes:


Hi:

Here's that '31 Henderson again.

Ruari




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The hand operated advance/retard lever was common on Brit bikes before the
development of the spring loaded auto-advance mechanism. You set it retarded
for starting, minimising kick-backs and ensuring a slow, lazy tick-over from
cold, and advanced it for fast running. You could also retard the ignition
to slog up hills, which was ideal if you were pulling a chair with the
family on board!

Jon

Thanks, Keith, do you mean you actually had to keep the pressure on
while riding down the road?

Ruari

--- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, Keith Williams ...>
wrote:
>
> I don't know if all are aware of what a "suicide shifter" or more
correctly suicide clutch was. It was where the over-center spring
was removed from the heel and toe rocker peddle so that it wasn't bi-
stable. as designed. You had to maintain toe pressure on the front
part to keep it clutched in gear and you were in a heap 'o hurt if
you overbalanced at a stoplight and had to remove your foot from the
clutch. Keith Williams
>
> Tachokay@... wrote: Close, but no suicide shifter... I
thought only Harleys and Indians had the suicide shifter...
>
> In a message dated 7/12/2007 6:07:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
r.mclennan@... writes:
>
> Hi:
>
> Here's that '31 Henderson again.
>
> Ruari
>
>
>
> Rrrose.
> @>-->--
>

Hello,

Do u know anyone that needs or wants a new barley used custom seat for a w650? $900 was paid for it and it only costs about $100 to refit it. I'm asking $200

Thanks,
-John
2065959753