Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MDS STRIKES AGAIN
I tend to just lift all four fingers off the bar on the throttle side for bikes....Most who are looking tend to look to the hands and see that. For cars who have let me past I use the continental dangling leg...very chic.
When I don't get a wave it's generally a newer machine....or a very old shabby commuter...which may or may not be significant.
Jon
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As to waving bit have you tried using more than 2 fingers :) have a look
for a HD rider he/she might just return to your wave ----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:07 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MDS STRIKES AGAIN
LOL...didn't realise it was that expensive.
There you thinking about a new bike and it was only a few weeks ago
you were thinking about packing in biking and just getting a little
commuter. What was the 800 like, I actually like the one with the half
fairing, rather than the full fairing, although that is based only on
looks as I have never ridden one...hence my question before about
trying them.
As to a GS, its back to the being intimidated by a big bike syndrome
again I'm afraid. In terms of what the bike can do I reckon it would
be the perfect bike for me but size is scary...cue Jake with Bishop
and actress jokes :>)
Still at least if you get a Beemer maybe there will one on the road
that will wave to me; at present, on my commute, I see a big RT, a
Honda Hornet, Triumph Bonnie (really nice colour scheme) and none of
them will wave, whether this is because I am on my little stroker or
whether they are just miserable s*ds I have no idea.
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Re: Exhausts & retro noise
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They lok and sound like the Fishpipes to
me!...Sorry!
OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!!?
Where do we get them?
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Re: Rear tire width question
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The 120 is taller actually. The 120/90 is 12cms
wide and 10.8 cms tall. The 4.00/18 is 4 inches ( 10.2cms) wide and 4 inches (
10.2cms) tall. I traded height for fast turning. It's also ?10 cheaper!
Is the 120/90 as close to the 4.00/!* you use
such as to make no difference?
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I would hesitate to put a 120/80 on. These
bikes are prone to sitting down at the rear and a 120/80 will lower the back
more than the stock 130/80.
?
The tyre you want is a 120/90...slightly
taller.
?
Either tyre will improve low speed handling
because the rolling radius is closer to the front tyre's.
?
Putting a fat rear tyre on will simply bugger
up the handling. It will feel wierd tipping into bends because the rear
radius is so much bigger than the front's, it'll have significantly
LESS grip, especially in the wet, because the LARGER
contact patch will have less pressure ( weight) per square inch...And it'll
look stupid, like someone fitted a big rear tyre to pretend they have a
really powerful engine and never go round corners. ...:-)
?
Jon
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> I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade unless you are just
going for
> a custom look.? I went the other way with my new
rear, a 120/80.? Call
> me crazy but I think it handles better
at slow speeds with the narrower
> tire.? And yes, I like the
look better.
>
> Leonard
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>> Does anyone
know what the maximum rear tire width can be without
>>
complications?? I would like to upgrade to a 140 or 150 if
possible.
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>> Thanks
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Re: Rear tire width question
No...the '80' is a percentage of the other figure so a 120/80 is 80% of 120 mm which is 96 mm...Or 9.6 cms tall. The 120/90 is 108mm or 10.8 cms tall and the 130/80 is 10.5 cms. The 120/90 is 1.2 cms, or half an inch taller...And when we are talking about the weave occurring somewhere within the 4" of rear end travel, half an inch is significant...even that 3mm between the 120/90 and the 130/80 seems to make a difference!
It's not the '90' bit that is the rolling radius, but the 120. The rear tyre is 120mm wide, the front is 100mm wide so the 120 is 20mm, or 2cms wider than the front whereas the 130 is, yup, you guessed it, 30mm wider. Getting the tyre widths similar helps the bike roll smoothly over
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----- Original Message ----- From: "ed_massey" <emassey@...> To: <W650riders@...> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [W650riders] Re: Rear tire width question Why would a 120/80 lower the bike more than the stock 130/80? Isn't
the 120/130 designating the width only? If they're both 80s they
should be the same height. As far as putting a 90 on the rear come
closer to the rolling radius of the front, why not put a lower height
tire on the front to come closer to the rolling radius of the rear?
--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
wrote:
I would hesitate to put a 120/80 on. These bikes are prone to
sitting down at the rear and a 120/80 will lower the back more than
the stock 130/80.
The tyre you want is a 120/90...slightly taller.
Either tyre will improve low speed handling because the rolling
radius is closer to the front tyre's.
Putting a fat rear tyre on will simply bugger up the handling. It
will feel wierd tipping into bends because the rear radius is so much
bigger than the front's, it'll have significantly LESS grip,
especially in the wet, because the LARGER contact patch will have less
pressure ( weight) per square inch...And it'll look stupid, like
someone fitted a big rear tyre to pretend they have a really powerful
engine and never go round corners. ...:-)
Jon
I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade unless you are just
going for
a custom look. I went the other way with my new rear, a 120/80.
Call
me crazy but I think it handles better at slow speeds with the
narrower
tire. And yes, I like the look better.
Leonard
--- In W650riders@..., "bushido47" <bushido47@> wrote:
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complications? I would like to upgrade to a 140 or 150 if possible.
Thanks
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Thruxton is?only 85 miles and?can
be?almost all up the A roads which makes for a nice ride on a Harley....
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No haven't been. hm not sure I'll like that. Yep know where
Brands Hatch is not far. Friend is going to the next race first weekend of
August but we're planning on going to another rally with a few friends. That's
v near to brands again (summer breezer near biggin hill) think my friend wants
to combine the two.
Laura
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your welcome. Have you been to a big race meet
yet? If not you really should add it to your motorcycling experiences.
Brands is only 57 miles from Brighton and easy to find
Dick
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Hi Dick,
Yeah it's all becoming a lot clearer, thanks v
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Re: Rear tire width question
Thanks for that info Dennis. Stock 130/80 sidewall height = 104mm 100/90 sidewall height = 90mm So with a 14mm sidewall height difference x 2 as there are two sidewalls in the diameter) the rear has 28mm or one inch taller overall sidewall height than the front tire. So the stock 100/90 19 and the stock 130/80 18 fully assembled and inflated are actually the same size. If this is true then why go to a 120/90 rear and upset the balance? --- In W650riders@..., "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@...> wrote:
Ed
The "80" part is the percentage of the width (the 120 or 130 part).
So, 80% of 120 is less than 80% of 130, so you get a less tall tire with a 120/80.
Dennis
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Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:33 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Rear tire width question
Why would a 120/80 lower the bike more than the stock 130/80? Isn't
the 120/130 designating the width only? If they're both 80s they
should be the same height. As far as putting a 90 on the rear come
closer to the rolling radius of the front, why not put a lower height
tire on the front to come closer to the rolling radius of the rear?
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welcome. Have you been to a big race meet yet? If not you really should add it
to your motorcycling experiences. Brands is only 57 miles from Brighton and
easy to find
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Yeah it's all becoming a lot clearer, thanks v much!
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OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!!?
Where do we get them?
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And are they slip-ons?
?
Ruari
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OK, folks, THIS is the SOUND I want!!!? Where
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And are they slip-ons?
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Re: Rear tire width question
Is the 120/90 as close to the 4.00/!* you use such
as to make no difference?
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I would hesitate to put a 120/80 on. These bikes
are prone to sitting down at the rear and a 120/80 will lower the back more
than the stock 130/80.
?
The tyre you want is a 120/90...slightly
taller.
?
Either tyre will improve low speed handling
because the rolling radius is closer to the front tyre's.
?
Putting a fat rear tyre on will simply bugger up
the handling. It will feel wierd tipping into bends because the rear radius is
so much bigger than the front's, it'll have significantly
LESS grip, especially in the wet, because the LARGER contact
patch will have less pressure ( weight) per square inch...And it'll look
stupid, like someone fitted a big rear tyre to pretend they have a really
powerful engine and never go round corners. ...:-)
?
Jon
?
?
> I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade unless you are just
going for
> a custom look.? I went the other way with my new rear,
a 120/80.? Call
> me crazy but I think it handles better at slow
speeds with the narrower
> tire.? And yes, I like the look
better.
>
> Leonard
>
> --- In W650riders@...,
"bushido47" wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone
know what the maximum rear tire width can be without
>>
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>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: Rear tire width question
Ed
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The "80" part is the percentage of the width (the 120 or 130
part). So, 80% of 120 is less than 80% of 130, so you get a less tall tire with
a 120/80.
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Why would a 120/80 lower the bike more than the stock 130/80? Isn't
the
120/130 designating the width only? If they're both 80s they
should be the
same height. As far as putting a 90 on the rear come
closer to the rolling
radius of the front, why not put a lower height
tire on the front to come
closer to the rolling radius of the
rear?
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Re: Rear tire width question
Why would a 120/80 lower the bike more than the stock 130/80? Isn't the 120/130 designating the width only? If they're both 80s they should be the same height. As far as putting a 90 on the rear come closer to the rolling radius of the front, why not put a lower height tire on the front to come closer to the rolling radius of the rear? --- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:
I would hesitate to put a 120/80 on. These bikes are prone to
sitting down at the rear and a 120/80 will lower the back more than the stock 130/80.
The tyre you want is a 120/90...slightly taller.
Either tyre will improve low speed handling because the rolling
radius is closer to the front tyre's.
Putting a fat rear tyre on will simply bugger up the handling. It
will feel wierd tipping into bends because the rear radius is so much bigger than the front's, it'll have significantly LESS grip, especially in the wet, because the LARGER contact patch will have less pressure ( weight) per square inch...And it'll look stupid, like someone fitted a big rear tyre to pretend they have a really powerful engine and never go round corners. ...:-)
Jon
I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade unless you are just
going for a custom look. I went the other way with my new rear, a 120/80.
Call me crazy but I think it handles better at slow speeds with the
narrower tire. And yes, I like the look better.
Leonard
--- In W650riders@..., "bushido47" <bushido47@> wrote:
Does anyone know what the maximum rear tire width can be without
complications? I would like to upgrade to a 140 or 150 if possible.
Thanks
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You never know until you try.. It is certainly
experiencing it once
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No haven't been. hm not sure I'll like that.
Laura
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Ha ha....That's what we call 'a dab'. Every time
you put your face down you gain points!
What?lovely sounding?thumpers.
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I can see myself disqualified in the first 20
feet for putting my face down.
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gene in OR
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I had this sort of
thing in mind:-)
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From: Laura
>Trials? Is that
motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding
>in the woods, think
it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on
>the grass at the rally
next weekend.
Laura, here's some trials riding:
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your welcome. Have you been to a big race meet yet?
If not you really should add it to your motorcycling experiences. Brands is only
57 miles from Brighton and easy to find
Dick
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Hi Dick,
Yeah it's all becoming a lot clearer, thanks v
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Kind of a Pilgrim-pirate-in-a-ticker-tape-parade
look.?? ;->
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The crash at the end was pretty funny. Was it
because they were drinking and looking at the girl?
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gene in OR (where we only speak English...and not
very well at that)
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As it's the Dutch TT this
weekend (on now on Eurosport - yes on the sat not the sunday) here's a classic
dutch bikesong for you all. I sang along to it as a teenager while reading the
lyrics (do teenagers still do that?) anyway did hear of BSA and Norton and it
wasn't until 26 years later that these names began to mean anything! It's been
chosen as the best bikesong at the TT last year apparently.
Laura
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What?lovely sounding?thumpers.
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I can see myself disqualified in the first 20 feet
for putting my face down.
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I had this sort of thing
in mind:-)
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>Trials? Is that motocross?
exciting. I like the idea of riding
>in the woods, think it's called
greenlaning. Liked riding on
>the grass at the rally next weekend.
Laura, here's some trials riding:
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Hi?Laura I will try to explain.
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Moto GP- 2 wheeled equivalent of F1 pure racing
bikes 800cc 4 strokes. Rossi Pedrosa ect.
250 GP -pure racing bikes 250cc 2
strokes
125 GP-pure racing bikes?125cc 2
strokes
All above held at the same meeting
World Super Bikes- 1000cc bikes based on production
bikes albeit very loosely
World Super Sport-600cc bikes based on production
bikes albeit very loosely
All above held at the same meeting
British Super Bikes - 1000cc bikes based on
production bikes albeit very loosely. Only held at British circuits with the
exception of one round which is held at Mondello Park near Dublin
British Super Sport-600cc bikes based on production
bikes albeit very loosely Only held at British circuits with the exception of
one round which is held at Mondello Park near Dublin
All above held at the same meeting.
No rider competes in more than one class these
days.
I hope this goes some way to making it
clearer
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I have been trying to understand it all. At a TT (circuit)
there's MotoGP which is racing on bikes of between 500cc and 800cc (?) all
over europe (or other parts of world as well).
Then there's racing on
smaller machines.
And there's WSB and so on.
What is sort of
'the' event? I don't really watch it (yet) but do the Pedrosas and the Rossis
do both? WSB and MotoGP. Suppose GP is well the GP so that must be the main
racing event then? Pfff complicated.
Laura
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