You should know that a wider tire than the stock 130 will slow lean over, so this isn't a performance "upgrade", it will mostly be an appearance change..and the older bikes had skinnier tires than our 130s though, so you are going to change that nostalgic look.

Sport bikes don't have fat tires to get more traction, the compound their tire is made of gives them the traction..the wider tire gives more surface area which helps dissapate heat. Sport bikes compensate for the additional weight and resistance to lean by using shorter rims, typically 17 inch rims, although 16s were popular front rim size in the 80s.

A wider tire will most likely require a wider rim as well.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "bushido47" <bushido47@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Rear tire width question
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:23:04 -0000

Does anyone know what the maximum rear tire width can be without
complications? I would like to upgrade to a 140 or 150 if possible.

Thanks

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Hello Pete,

Deceleration wobble, has always happened to me (on other bikes, never the Ws) when my tires were worn, or front air pressure was incorrect. Worn steering head bearings could be the culpret as well.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "pete7953" <peter.sluman@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Couple of newbie questions.
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:05:45 -0000

Hello everyone, just got my W650 a few weeks ago and a couple of issues
have arisen. probably been dealt with before but who knows.

Handlebar Shake: when throttling back from 50+ or so mph, the
handlebars give a wobble/shake at between 45-50mph, ok if you've got
both hand on the handlebars, but if for some reason you don't, there is
a noticeable shimmy until the speed drops to 40-45mph. Thought it mught
have been down to a worn (very) rear tyre, but a new one has made no
difference.

Momentary cough: sometimes, the engine gives a 'cough'. It alwaqys
recovers instantly and then won't happen again for the rest of the ride.

Any suggestions for these issues, or are they all like it?

Thanks

Pete

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Trials riding is very challenging, I admire the skill of the people who do that, but frankly, I lack the patience to develop that skill.

Trail riding, or cow trailing may be what you call green laning, just off road riding for fun..few rules, mostly common since..like, don't jump over something unless you know what's on the otherside.

The 650 dual sports (F650, DR 650 or KLR 650) are a bit much for trail riding, you want a small spunky motorcycle that you could pick up all by yourself if necessary. I have a DT 250, that's more than enough..but might be more work than you want..kick start only, and it is old and can be persnickety.

I would recommend a Yamaha XT 225, Suzuki DR 200, or a Kawasaki Sherpa 250. These all have electric starts, are light and agile, and have a reasonable seat height.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:19:47 +0100

Trials? Is that motocross? exciting. I like the idea of riding in the woods,
think it's called greenlaning. Liked riding on the grass at the rally next
weekend. Are people here going to rallies at all. Think our next one is the
summer breezer near biggin hill in kent/london.

Was that F650s not v high? or are you tall?

Laura


On 29/06/07, Hazel Clarke <hazel@...> wrote:

That's a good plan. I was meant to be making my first attempts at trials
riding in Stafford this weekend but the venue is flooded :-(



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*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 12:59 PM
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AGAIN

If I try touring the world can I miss out Stafford so as to give me some
chance of succeeding :)
Dick

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*To:* W650riders@...
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 11:50 AM
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AGAIN

It would be good for riding through those floods! You would have to tour
the world if you got one, anyway, so shouldn't let the weather here put you
off :-)

They are too big to appeal to me but I sat on one of the F650s a few
years ago at the NEC, not expecting to like it, and it was probably the most
comfortable bike I've ever sat on. It was the model where you can store
your helmet where the tank "should" be, very quirky. Would have been my
next choice if I hadn't got the W650, I think.

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In Florida, you could get a learner's permit/restricted license actually, when you were 14 years old (I turned 14 in 1964)..this would allow you to drive a car with an adult in the car with you, or to ride a motorcycle alone (there was a restriction on HP for that motorcycle until you were 16 yrs old though..>5 HP, and you could get a regular license to drive a car when you were 16 yrs old.)

My brother had had motorcycles for years, but he was 8 years older than me and had bought his bikes, 750cc Harley Davidson KD models (the side valve predescessor to the Sportster) while he was stationed in Washington State..over 3000 miles from my Mother, who was not a motorcycle fan.

I really wanted to have a motorcycle, now my brother had returned from service and he bought a Jawa 50 to ride back and forth to work. That made me want a bike even more. Problem was, my mother was afraid of them and it was going to be a hard sell. it took about a year of whinning to get permission, but in 1965 I bought my brother's Jawa, he had moved up to a Honda 305 Dream.

The key factor in convincing my Mom that it was OK to have a motorcycle, was that my Dad had owned a Whizzer motorbike..Dad had a motorcycle, Georgie had a motorcycle...why can't I have a motorcycle..waa, waa, waa.

The earliest indication that I might be prone to MBS was, in 1968, I owned the Jawa 50 (trail bike only by then), a Honda 50 Supersport (CA110), a Honda S90 and a Suzuki Olympian 150. I also had a 1957 Plymouth Savoy..1968 was a very good year.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Hazel Clarke" <hazel@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:09:17 +0100

I was very lucky, although I didn't realise it at the time. My Mum had saved up about 350 so I could buy a car when I was 18. When I announced I was going to buy a GP100 she didn't object at all. It wasn't until years later that my Dad told me she had never liked his bikes so I can't imagine she was pleased with my decision. Mind you, it's only in the last couple of months that my Dad has admitted that he had a Lambretta before he owned the AJS and Panther that I remember.......

Haze

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When I was coming up for my 16th birthday and wanted to ask my dad if I could have a bike (Those were the days when you asked permission from your parents) I leant against the mantle piece on which stood the trophies that he had won for trials riding on his Red Hunter.. It made it harder for him if he wanted to say no. fortunately he said "Of course you can". the only proviso was that I didn't buy a scooter
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Hazel Clarke
To: W650riders@...
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] :WAS goodwood breakfast club NOW MBS STRIKES AGAIN


Lots of questions, Laura!

Greenlaning/trail riding is not the same as trials & trials is not the same as motocross. Have a look for the TRF website for an idea of trails/greenlaning. Trials is more about getting around sections and you lose points for having to put your foot down. My Dad used to marshall at trials events and we used to get "dragged" around with him; although I enjoyed it I'm not so sure about my mum and brother. I want to try trials and trails - they both appeal. I told my Dad I wanted to try trials, thinking he'd be pleased but he was quite worried. He reckons its a family trait that Clarkes don't bounce when they fall off, they just go splat! I'll just have to try not to fall off much, then :-)

We're off to the BSA international rally in Belgium next Friday. Unfortunately, I haven't got my BSA sorted and Jon's developed an alarming rattle from the engine the other day so neither of us will be on BSAs - just have to hope we won't get kicked off the site!

I'm average height (5'5" ish) but shortish legs - just long enough to reach the ground though. The F650 isn't really low like a cruiser. I think I've seen a few favourable reviews of it by women riders.

Haze

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As long as it isn't Region 1 encoded it'll play fine.

Jon

I could send you a CD of what I took on my last vacation if you sent me your address.

There may be a problem though. I know that if I send you a VHS copy, you wouldn't be able to view it as our formats record differently..but I am not sure that the digital systems are that different.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: NHC: onboard videocam?
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:40:59 +0100


'Gift' is the phrase you use. Get a US lister to buy it for you...They can
then post it as a gift...Something the retailer might not do.

640 by 480 pixels at 30 frames per second is not great...My digital camera
can do that. Images look rough on a TV screen but if you use Windows movie
maker and once your edit is done save it to your PC as an AVI file. It'll be
huge, but it'll be the best quality you'll get and you can then ake
compressed versions of it and compare them to find a compromise between
quality and size.
Also, check that you get a PAL version....our TV is 625 line at 25 frames
per second, the States use NTSC which is 480 TVL at 30 fps....

Jon

My te has MPEG2 portable recorders which record to hard-drive/card....Full
DVD quality but the units are the size of a big paperback book. We have
loads of colour bullet cams at work...I might experiment one day and do a
ride down the lanes to Salisbury.....


James

I am very interested in what you have to say about the ATC2000 bullet
cam you ahve just bought. I have been thinking about getting one of
these and spent most of yesterday afternoon researching them, told you
I was bored, and, whislt some footage looks poor, other footage looks
fine, whether this is the way it is compressed in order to be hosted I
have no idea.

I can order the cam from the states for 49 plus 18 p&p, however does
anyone know if I have to pay import taxes, customs at this end or can
I just get the seller to put SAMPLE on the packet, as Ia hve heard
this gets around any problems?

--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...> wrote:

I got a camera mount from CYCLE GEAR, it has suction cups on four

short legs

(which won't even hold the mount to the tank) which protect the

tank. With

the camera in place you can still top off the gas on the Hawk (I had

this on

my Hawk at ECHR 2007). I used to just bungy the camera to my tank

bag..got

some pretty good shots that way, but there was occassionally slipage.

We mounted my 8mm cam to Nance's helmet last year (the thing is kind of
heavy, Nance has such a good sense of humor) and she got some very good
video.

I bought a 20/Twenty helmet cam, it turns out your camera has to

have an

input, mine doesn't, so I sold that and bought an Oregon Scientific

Helmet

Camera..it is self contained, records to a 2 GB flash card, used

that as my

"tail camera" this year at ECHR, but it comes with a handlebar mount

and a

mounting system to attach to your helmet..haven't figuired out how

to mount

to my modular though.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Just Me <twoguesses@...>
Reply-To: Just Me <twoguesses@...>
To: HAWKGT-L@...
Subject: Re: NHC: onboard videocam?
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:07:25 -0700

I've seen setups rigged up to the gas cap. Not sure if they're out
there for the hawk though. Seems like a helmet cam would be too
jittery...

-c

On 6/28/07, J. Braun <braunj@...> wrote:

A friend recently pointed me at this one.


Maybe not the highest quality but so cheap you could just buy it.

Anybody have any experience with it?

J.

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I'm not sure I would call that an upgrade unless you are just going for
a custom look. I went the other way with my new rear, a 120/80. Call
me crazy but I think it handles better at slow speeds with the narrower
tire. And yes, I like the look better.

Leonard

Widest I've seen so far is a 130. Anybody seen larger? Why would you be going with a wider tire?

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That will soon me Hazel on her Bantam :)
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