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The Sportster gearbox is actually pretty tough, but it is clunky though.



James Franklin
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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:11:24 -0000

A friend of mine has the hots for a Buell (not the latest one).
I recall that Sportster gear boxes used to be notoriously fragile.
Is that all a thing of the past or are they still a weak point?
Pete

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The Sportster gearbox is actually pretty tough, but it is clunky though.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

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From: "petetibble"
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Subject: [W650riders] While we're on the subject of HDs...
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:11:24 -0000

A friend of mine has the hots for a Buell (not the latest one).
I recall that Sportster gear boxes used to be notoriously fragile.
Is that all a thing of the past or are they still a weak point?
Pete

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From: W650riders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ADRIAN
Sent: Tue 17/07/2007 17:21
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [W650riders] NWC - RETRO jAWAS

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Check this out - you can buy retro Jawas now!

Adrian

Ferraris and Porsches DEFINITELY get their rings broken in at the
factory before they are sold. They power part of the Porsche factory
from the dynos. This is because they are obliged to guarantee a
minimum power output and the only way to ensure this is to bed the
rings properly. They do this by loading the motor and revving it to
the red line several times. The cycling of hard load and relax to
idle super-heats the rings while they are still rough, melting the
ring's high spots and creating a smooth gas tight surfce. The rapid
drop to idle in-between the rev-outs bathes the rings in cooling oil
vapour.
Several race car engine bulders do the same thing, and in fact if you
baby a motor without doing this as your first action, the rings will
never properly bed-in.

Synthetics cannot stop this initial high spot heating and
melting...They're good but not THAT good...they only manage around
100 deg C above mineral oils before they break down. That's enough to
guarantee zero wear at normal engine temps, but they'll run-in fine
during those initial few bursts.

Jon

> That's not entirely true. New engines that are perfectly honed
from the factory don't require ring-seating and can use synthetic
from the get go. If you rebuild your engines at home and have less
than perfect equipment, as I do, you STILL need to seat your rings
with fossil oil. They will take ten times as long, if ever, to seat
using synthetic oil.
>
> Ray Nielsen .> wrote: --- In
W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "bufallobiff"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---Moto-Guzzi has synthetic in them from the factory and it's
> > the "break in" oil.
> >
> Break in oils these days are regular motor oils. Mobil 1's web site
> com> used to have a FAQ section where they addressed
the
> issue of break in vs. synthetic oil.
>
> They noted that some Corvettes, Aston-Martins, Porsches and a few
> other brands came from the factory with Mobil 1 in the crankcase.
> In a nutshell, NO problems with using a synthetic during break in.
>
> I've changed to Mobil 1 in my new bikes at the first change
> interval, usually around 600 miles. No problems and many have
> achieved high mileage (several over 100 K miles). These bikes ran
> the gamut from a 1100cc Gold Wing, a Suzuki Burgman scooter, W650,
> Bandit 1200, Suzuki Boulevard M50 and more that I can't remember --
> about 15-18 bikes in the last 24 years.
>
> Just my two bits worth.
>
> Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I have a 2000 model W650 with mufflers that are welded on to the head
pipes (factory installation). I've been considering a change to
Dunstall replica type mufflers but have some reservations. Once the
original equipment mufflers are cut off, is there an easy way to
reattach them without having them look like a cobbled up mess? The
small covers at the pipe/muffler junction are tack welded on. From
all of the correspondence that I've seen so far, the main jets are
likely to be close to the right size. I have a Dynojet kit with jets,
needles,springs, etc., and it appears that the modification would
benefit from at least the needle change. Some correspondence has also
recommended the exact point at which the Mufflers should be cut off.

Has anyone done this modification and then reattached the original
mufflers? It looks like a sleeve could be fabricated to clamp to the
head pipes and the original mufflers, but I'm not sure how clean it would look.

Brent Burtschell
Los Alamos, New Mexico

The SABMAG groupe says Wednesday is Ride Your Bike To Work Day.? I hadn't seen it mentioned elsewhere.?? Keith Williams

I've never been brave enough to use the technique on a new motor,

right. that 's the way to optimise powr out of your mill. It does

an oil change every few operatins for a very few miles





Larry Botheras



Essex UK

W650 Wrench

2007 Moto Guzzi Norge

1977 KH400

1978 CD175

1994 Ural Solo







From: W650riders@... [mailto:W650riders@...] On
Behalf Of Jon Haddock
Sent: 17 July 2007 20:41
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil/ Oil Additives



Ferraris and Porsches DEFINITELY get their rings broken in at the
factory before they are sold. They power part of the Porsche factory
from the dynos. This is because they are obliged to guarantee a
minimum power output and the only way to ensure this is to bed the
rings properly. They do this by loading the motor and revving it to
the red line several times. The cycling of hard load and relax to
idle super-heats the rings while they are still rough, melting the
ring's high spots and creating a smooth gas tight surfce. The rapid
drop to idle in-between the rev-outs bathes the rings in cooling oil
vapour.
Several race car engine bulders do the same thing, and in fact if you
baby a motor without doing this as your first action, the rings will
never properly bed-in.

Synthetics cannot stop this initial high spot heating and
melting...They're good but not THAT good...they only manage around
100 deg C above mineral oils before they break down. That's enough to
guarantee zero wear at normal engine temps, but they'll run-in fine
during those initial few bursts.

Jon

That's not entirely true. New engines that are perfectly honed

from the factory don't require ring-seating and can use synthetic
from the get go. If you rebuild your engines at home and have less
than perfect equipment, as I do, you STILL need to seat your rings
with fossil oil. They will take ten times as long, if ever, to seat
using synthetic oil.

Ray Nielsen <rnielse1@> wrote: --- In

W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"bufallobiff" <mschuder@>

wrote:

---Moto-Guzzi has synthetic in them from the factory and it's
the "break in" oil.

Break in oils these days are regular motor oils. Mobil 1's web site
<www.mobil1.com> used to have a FAQ section where they addressed

the

issue of break in vs. synthetic oil.

They noted that some Corvettes, Aston-Martins, Porsches and a few
other brands came from the factory with Mobil 1 in the crankcase.
In a nutshell, NO problems with using a synthetic during break in.

I've changed to Mobil 1 in my new bikes at the first change
interval, usually around 600 miles. No problems and many have
achieved high mileage (several over 100 K miles). These bikes ran
the gamut from a 1100cc Gold Wing, a Suzuki Burgman scooter, W650,
Bandit 1200, Suzuki Boulevard M50 and more that I can't remember --
about 15-18 bikes in the last 24 years.

Just my two bits worth.

Ray Nielsen, in Minneapolis.






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