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No one that I know of just enlarged the 883 to 1200cc without pipes and
usually an after market carb, but even at your $300 guesstimate..it costs
$600 bucks more (higher initial cost plus heads/sleeves, pistons/rings) to
make a Harley that was already bigger, to match the performance of a mild
mannered 650 twin.

If I were going to get a Sportster, it would have to be the Sportster Sport,
and that would be just because I like the look and feel...buying a Harley
for performance is like flying commercial airlines for peanuts or marrying
for sex.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT)

In my experience, changing an 883 into a 1200 is an afternoon's work and
three hundred bucks. That makes the 883 comparison moot.

James Franklin <jimw650@hotmail.com> wrote: A stock 1200 Sportster is doing
the 1/4 in 13.02...half a second quicker
than the fastest W 650 I have ever seen a test on. At 100 MPH (the HDs
terminal speed), 1/2 second would be about 75 feet ahead, the W rider would
know he lost, but the Sportster rider would know he was close.

The 1200 makes 64.4 HP, 20 more than a stock W.

It's stock torque is 72.7 lb-ft at 3700 RPM, which would be around 70 MPH,
or twice what the W has at that speed in 5th.

A W, not even a 50 HP W, is not much of a roll-on challenge for a 1200
Sportster.

But an 883, which costs (supposedly) closer to the W, really isn't in the
same performance class.

The 883 makes 43.1 HP, about two less than the average W, yet weighs 50 lbs
more.

the 883 makes 43 ft lbs torque at 4550 RPM, the W 37.5 5100 RPM (that is
around 80 MPH for the W)

The best 1/4 mile I have seen for an 883..15.16 sec at 88.33 MPH (that puts
it right there with a good Honda CB 350 or a Suzuki X6 Hustler). The
slowest W test I have is 14.33 @ 92.34

The W, when compared to the Sportster, is a revver. When you compare it to
a stock 883, you get a lot more performance for your money. The 883 needs
pipes, and a cam, with a little chip manipulation to match a stock W. Not
much after market hi-perf stuff is available for the W, but the W is a
retro, and it is quicker than a 60s Bonneville or Lightning. And the W is
pretty low key, it has a compression ratio of only 8.4 to 1, whereas the
Yamaha XS 650 was 10 to 1. Has anyone shaved the heads on a W to see what
kind of power is available there? Jon, you just did pipes and jets and got
50 HP.

Jon, you probably beat the rider, not the machine, if what you rolled away
from was a 1200 and you did it in 5th gear, but there is no dishonor in
downshifting if the other bike has a 500cc advantage. I have ridden a lot of
Sportsters (883s/1000s/1200s)..none of the rubber mounted engine ones
yet..but I never rode a Sportster as comfortable as the W, or as confidant
at parking lot speeds. And I bet Lucy was much more comfortable on the back
of your W than she would have been on that skinny slab HD provides for a
passenger on the Sportster.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: "Jonhaddock@onetel.net"
Reply-To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
To:
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: Thinking about getting rid of my w650
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:56:42 +0100

Well a stock one isn't as quick as a W650 which is about as slow as modern
motorcycles get....which makes the Sporty pretty slow. Certainly my warmed
up W will beat a loud piped 1200 Sporty from 60 to 100 plus....two
up.....And Lucy was on the back when we did it...

>A 1200 Sporty is by no means slow. It's about as fast a Harley
> platform as there is. /--- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander
> Ward" wrote:
>>
>> I've been lurking on this list for years, but now I have to chime
> in
>> on this topic.
>>
>> I think the Sportster is a great partner to the W650. I have both
> a
>> 2000 W650 and a 1996 Sportster XL1200S Sport. The Sport has
>> adjustable Showa forks and dual front discs. If you add rearsets
> and
>> clipons and a decent seat, then it becomes a really fun scoot. '
>>
>> No, it is not particularly fast, but the wide flat powerband
>> and more than ample torque combine with decent handling and
> braking
>> to make it easy to ride without requiring a lot of work. If you
>> switch to 17" wheels and sticky tires it gets even better. Don't
>> worry about the vibration if you buy an older one with a solid-
> mount
>> engine, just install BalanceMasters active vibration dampers and
>> fiddle with the final drive ratios (or even switch to chain drive)
>> and once it is dialed in, then just enjoy it.
>>
>> Although any Japanese 600 can run rings around it, that is
> balanced
>> out by the double-takes from all of the head-to-toe leather-clad
>> dumplings on their cool Harleys who are cruising along at 30mph
> when
>> you pass them on the outside of a curve.
>>
>> You do have to think about it though. One of the classic
> disparaging
>> comments about Harleys is that they vibrate so much that parts
> fall
>> off. It is true, too. the first time I rode the Sporty any
>> distance, both mirrors, the taillight, and one turn signal fell
> off.
>> I felt like I had finally gained admittance to a long and proud
>> tradition!
>>
>> At any rate, keep the W650, get a Sportster too.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Botheras"
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Think long and hard. unless it's tricked up the 1200 sporty
> will
>> feel
>> > slower than the W IMHO, it's not that much more powerful (HD
> never
>> quote)
>> > but it is a lot heavier
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:W650riders@yahoogroups.com] On
>> > Behalf Of John
>> > Sent: 11 July 2007 06:39
>> > To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: [W650riders] Thinking about getting rid of my w650
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I found a sportster 1200r that's tempting me to get rid of the
> w.
>> What
>> > are your thoughts on the 2006 sportster 1200 roadster?
>> >
>>
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