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30M APRS-over-VARA - Activity Increasing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI am seeing more stations today on the new
30-Meters APRS-over-VARA channel at 10.148.20 MHz USB
"dial frequency".? The screen capture below from UIview shows
what I was seeing here in central Michigan as of about 09:54 US
Eastern (1454 UTC) 6 Dec 24. Note GM4HYG in northern Scotland in the
upper-right corner. The green circle is the radio footprint, on
the ground, of the Space station.? KJ4ERJ's hamshack computer
system generates the space station object and inserts it into
the APRS Internet System? Apparently it is still running on
"autopilot" even though KJ4ERJ passed away several days ago. This is a temporary second 30m APRS-over-VARA?
receive/igate setup running at WA8LMF-6? --? until my main VARA
APRS receive/igate on the currrent 10.147.60 USB channel moves
to this new channel on 1 January 2025.??? |
Re: VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent
Patricia, Its all antennas, distortion,? and propagation.? Vara (and all protocols for that matter) have mechanisms for measuring the S:N and frame success rate (How many SUCCESSFUL bytes transmitted per minute.? If that number falls below a certain threshold the protocol?killls?the link rather than taking many minutes of airtime up with low probability?of passing a complete message.? What can help?? Several things: 1) Pick a frequency band and distance which have better propagation.? e.g.? Some bands are better at night or day.? Generally longer distances are weak....but not always.? 2) Short messages of course transfer faster ....avoid big attachments. 3) Check and optimise your antenna. Height, SWR etc. 4) Make sure your radio drive is set to optimum.? Too much audio drive can result in distortion (due to ALC)? ?For the 7300 you want the ALC no more than about 1/4 scale.? Almost all protocols work best with minimal distortion and near optimum power settings.? 5) Select stations and bands based on propagation (history and propagation maps)? ?Also make sure the stations are running (e.g 24/7 etc)? Good Luck Rick Muething, KN6KB? Winlink Development Team On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 9:27?AM Patricia Dominguez via <WA4WSZ=[email protected]> wrote:
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VARA HF Disconnects Before Messages Are Sent
I am new to
VARA HF and to the group.? Last week I set up my W11 computer and
IC-7300 radio. I was able to start sending messages using Vara HF.? I
didn't use Winlink for a couple of days.? When I tried to send a message
a few days ago I could not connect to any station. I checked every
sound setting I could find on my computer and reduced my transmit power.
I don't know what changed.? Yesterday I connected to two different
stations, but both dropped the connection after more than 5 minutes into
transmitting the message. The send rate was extremely low.? I would
appreciate any suggestions you may have. Patricia WA4WSZ |
New 30M APRS-overVARA Freq Uptake Starting!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI'm starting to see stations on the new 30-meters APRS-over-VARA channel already.?? I've setup a temporary second radio/computer setup to monitor and igate the new channel? on 10.148.200 MHz USB "dial frequency" until the main igate switches over on Jan 1st, 2025.?? The setup is my TS-2000, an Acer 11.8"
"netbook" mini-laptop and a SignaLink USB interface connected to
a 40' tuner-fed vertical. The screencap below shows UIview and VARA
running as of 10:50 AM US Eastern Time (15:50 UTC) on 5 Dec
2024.?? Note the narrowed noise bandwidth in the VARA
waterfall.? I have set the DSP variable IF of the TS-2000 to 900
Hz - wide enough to pass both the APRS-over-VARA channel and the
classic packet APRS channel just below the VARA channel.? About 4 hours earlier this morning, I was seeing G4HYG at the tip of the UK in the far upper-right of this screen.? [Once the switch-over to the new channel
becomes complete on Jan 1st, you will be seeing this map on my
main 30M VARA APRS webserver.? I suspect that due to VARA's? --VASTLY--
superior performance compared to classic AX.25 packet, we will
be seeing far more stations from the other side of the Atlantic.
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Re: What sets the Vara modem speed?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 12/5/2024 10:32 AM, wa5luy wrote:
That's essentially the same setup as my mobile, except that I am running a Panasonic Toughbook CF-53 laptop with Windows 7.???? [Note that "under the hood" Windows 2000 and XP are both variants of Windows 5.x.? While Windows Vista, 7, 8.x, 10 and 11 are all variants of Windows 6.x.]
You can see which bandwidth mode VARA is in by noting the position of the vertical red bandwidth markers in the waterfall display.?? In the screencap below of UIview and VARA on a TS-2000 at home
with an Acer "netbook" 11.8" mini-laptop and Win 7, you can see
the position of the markers for the 500 Hz mode.? (By the way, this is a display of the NEW? 10.148.200
APRS-over-VARA channel, screen-capped at 10:55 US Eastern time 5
Dec 24. Earlier this morning I was seeing G4HYG at the top of the
UK in the upper-right corner of the picture.) I've never had to fuss with the bandwidth settings.? When VARA is
started by itself, it defaults to the 2300 Hz pair.? When I then
start up the connection with VSPE and UIview, it narrows to the
500 Hz bandwidth.? This happens automatically when a KISS-over-IP
connection is made to the VARA KISS port.? By default, the VARA
KISS port is IP port 8100, set in the VARA? "Settings..", "VARA
Settings:" dialog.? This can be changed if needed.
Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com |
Re: What sets the Vara modem speed?
Stephen,
Thank you for clearing that up. I should have said bandwidth but when I got into ham radio the fastest data speed bandwidth was a good CW operator.
I copy both of your Vara stations all day here in Arkansas. S7 to S9 most of the time during the day.?
Another question.
I have set up a HF mobile station, WA5LUY-5, on a Bmax Windows 10 computer running Pinpoint and Vara. It works fine but the location beacon takes 20 seconds to send. I suspect Pinpoint is not using a compressed format.
For a change I set up the same station on a XP laptop using U-View, VSPE Emulator and Vara. The beacon sends but is not decoded.? Listening to the beacon it starts out at the 500 bandwidth, then switches to a higher bandwidth.?
Your mobile station does not do this switch. What am I missing in the configuration? Is it something in Ui-View?
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Wayne
WA5LUY |
Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
My local RACES team is helping to stand up winlink between hospitals in the county. We've succeeeded passing ICS forms during two SET exercises this year. The served hospitals are 20 miles apart separated by terrain that made direct line of sight communication unreliable. We used VARA FM on mobile, portable, and fixed stations in various combinations to test various configurations. We learned a lot from the exercises which involved a mixed bag of win 10/11 computers and various modems (Signalink and Digirig mostly).
Here's a compilation of our lessons learned: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows 11 is moving towards more locked down systems, and seems to adopt a "it just works" design philosophy like apple. Like if you plug a usb sound device in it hasn't seen before, you must want to play tunes through it, so it makes it default, and makes it the current device. 10 did this. But 11 has changed the Settings GUI to make it even harder for us hobby schlubs to bend it to our will. I had written pages of notes, trying to makes sense of of the new sound settings I finished building a new Win 11 system this week, so I had to make the home Winlink work again. I'd heard about Windows 10/11 "God Mode" while researching the build and decided to look at it. It exposes all of the old-style control panels and settings you'd ever need, and many I'd never heard of. We need this, and it's built into win 10/11 already. We only need to enable it. Here's a good link to learn more: Use "Manage Sound Devices" in God Mode to: Rename your sound device, both input and output, so you can find it. Turn off AGC Turn off enhancements Turn off Spatial Sound Turn off System Sounds Set levels On Input, you can click "Listen" and route it to your speakers to make sure it's working. Also verifies that you've got the right device. Probably more.. Next, in device manager, use the COM port properties/Advanced/Assign Port number to set a default port number to your PTT com port, to make it obvious when you look. Use a high enough port number to keep it away from the automatically assigned one for headsets, flash drives and the like. Win 11 supports up to 256 USB ports, but VARA only offers up to 16, so I assigned ports 11 and 12 to my two Digirigs. Yes, it can tell them apart. ------------------------- We had problems with Windows lost on a virtual desktop that was available at home when we had the laptop at home connected to another monitor. Here's how to fix: "To move a window that is off screen, hover over its taskbar icon, right click on the window thumbnail, select ¡®Move¡¯ and use the arrow keys to move it. Left click to release it." ----------------------------- Finally, If you're using a Digirig, by all means go in and cut the jumper to add 20 db of attenuation. It helps a lot to bring all the level settings into midrange. Great overview for an FT-891 here: Just the mod: Don't forget to rename the soundcard side! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps! 73, Jeff KN8A |
Re: What sets the Vara modem speed?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 12/3/2024 5:11 PM, wa5luy wrote:
Just got back from a road trip to northern Michigan. The 500 vs 2300 setting is NOT the speed.? It's the occupied
bandwidth.? In either bandwidth, a variety of data rates are
possible.? The wider 2300-hz bandwidth DOES allow higher maximum
data rates --BUT-- APRS-over-VARA always uses the lowest data
rate. Applications can command (select) the bandwidth to use, but the
speed is determined automatically by VARA based on it's experience
with a given station. Normally, VARA starts out using a slow speed to initiate a
contact with a station.? VARA then gradually increases speed based
on it's experience with ACKs/NAKs/retries on successive packets to
a given station. This behavior happens automatically on WinLink,
VarAC Chat or any other app where you establish a two-way
hand-shaking "connected" relationship with another
station, especially when transferring larger files. However, APRS is a non-connected? one-to-many? broadcast mode. There IS NO connection or interchange with a given station. Each transmission is just "blasted out" over the air to anyone who might hear it.? Since there is no two-way ACK/NAK interchange with a given station, there is no way for transmit speed to automatically increment.? It remains at the default lowest starting speed each time.? Since APRS beacons (especially if you use the compressed or Mic-E
format) are short, (if you don't load them up with frivolous
comments like your location name when the beacon is already
sending your lat/long, or announcing you are an igate when the
symbol already says this) the low speed is not really an issue.?
The low speed is partly why APRS-over-VARA beacons are so
incredibly robust.?? All my APRS beacon/igate/webserver stations on 2M / 30M / 60M,
both fixed and mobile, are running multiple copies of UIview32.??
When VARA starts up with the KISS connection to UIview on my end,
it automatically switches to the 500 Hz bandwidth.? VarAC Chat
also defaults to commanding the 500 Hz bandwidth. Note that the moment, I an operating the old (10.147.600 MHz USB "dial freq") 30M APRS frequency, and also transmitting test beacons every 5 mins on the new 30M channel (10.148.200 MHz USB "dial freq) at the same time. ? G4HYG is also beaconing on the new frequency from the far northern UK.? ??? Stephen H. Smith??? wa8lmf (at) aol.com |
Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
One obscure thing I learned about Windows audio and all of these digital tools is the output channel isn't always visible in the sound applet and settings until after it does the first outbound call. Once that is done then the outbound device exists and the volume can be adjusted. Drove me nuts looking for a volume control that didn't exist until I realized what was happening.
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And for what it is worth (that's FWIW for those that like shorthand), there are several tools that put back the Windows 10 sound control panel in Windows 11. Just for search classic volume control for Windows 11 and you should find a few options. The one I took is free, I believe contains three files, and is truly the reliable Windows 10 applet for sound. It hides in the system tray and just works.
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Doug / N3JXB
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Re: What sets the Vara modem speed?
Within VARA HF 2300, there are 16 speed levels. I did some tests using Winlink Express. Higher speed levels are only activated if (1) the quality of the link is sufficient and (2) there is enough data waiting to be transmitted. With a local Winlink RMS on 10m, my VARA levels are varying between 7 (549bps) and 11 (2682bps).
By the way, is a digital net to exercise Winlink once a week.
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73, Markus HB9BRJ |
Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
Thanks all, I managed to get it worked out but I can't really say how.? What I did was open VARA FM, VARA HF, and Soundmodem all at the same time, which for some strange reason allowed me to use the volume sliders for VARA, then I removed and reinstalled Soundmodem and suddenly it works.? ?Appreciate the help, my son in law who is a computer tech support guy would probably? just chalk it up to hitting sufficient amount of pain to appease the Windows Gods, but it does in fact work as intended now even though my head is sore for beating it against the wall.
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Matt |
Re: What sets the Vara modem speed?
On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 4:11?PM wa5luy via <wa5luy=[email protected]> wrote:
Generally APRS clients use the relatively dumb KISS interface, so they can't issue a command to set the bandwidth in VARA. Other clients such as Winlink Express and BPQ can set the bandwidth because they use what I assume is an API for interacting with VARA - by default on TCP 8300. It appears that you can change the bandwidth setting using the VARA terminal, but I've not tried it followed by using the KISS interface for APRS. 73, Lee K5DAT
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What sets the Vara modem speed?
Does anyone know what sets the modem speed for Vara??
I suspect it is something in the connected client software. For example, Winlink changes the speed when connecting to various stations.
I have been experimenting with Pinpoint with Vara for a mobile station. I don't see a way to change the speed from 500 to 2300. The position report works at 500 but takes 20 seconds which I think is way too long.
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Looking at WA8LMF's stations -6 is beaconing at 2300 and -5 is beaconing at 500.
Stephen, please chime in here and tell me if I am correct. Also, I would like to know what is running -6.
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Wayne?
WA5LUY
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Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
In W11 you can also get to sound settings by right clicking on the speaker icon in the task bar; then scroll down the resulting system > sound page, and click on ¡°more sound settings¡±; then in the familiar W10 interfaces you can set defaults, properties (levels), etc.
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Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
If you don't wish to go the "Command Prompt" route, you can simply type "Control Panel" in the Windows 11 search box.? When the Control Panel window opens, select the "Sound" icon and make your adjustments for incoming and outgoing levels.? Be sure to select the correct devices when setting levels.?? |
Re: Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
Good afternoon - Have you tried adjusting using the W11 Sound settings?
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To access those settings (similar to the way W10 was set up, but getting to the settings is a bit tricky), open a Command Prompt and enter
mmsys.cpl
this should open the sound settings and you can take it from there.
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Good luck!
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73, Ken NB6S
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P.S. Tip of the cap to Scott Currie NS7C for first showing me this trick. |
Win 11/Soundmodem/VARA challenges (volume slider)
Hi all-
First post here, I'm having somewhat of a unique issue from what I'm seeing (or the lack thereof I guess).? Trying to chase down a low audio transmit via a Signalink on VARA FM, VARA HF, and also manifests on Soundmodem.? I'm sure it's a stupidly simple thing that's a switch I'm not switching in the software.
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Basically I think the problem is that Win 11 Sound Mixer won't let me adjust the volume for the apps, as I can see it won't do that.? ?I don't know how to convince Windows to let me do that.? I've tried everything I can think of, including shutting off the Firewall temporarily to see if that's the issue.? No joy.? Best I can do is a partial connection using Soundmodem where I have to basically crank the transmit wattage from 5 to 30 and use the J3 jumper in Signalink and max both transmit and receive on the box.
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Symptoms are that I can take the same radio/SignaLink/antenna system with a Win 10 computer and everything is rock solid and works fine.? I take it to Win 11 computer with all the setups the exact same with the exception of the volume slider on the sound mixer, and the only way I can get any success at all is with Soundmodem using the J3 audio max jumper within the Signalink.? ?Signalink tech support says it has to be something stupid in Windows, I agree, but it's smarter than me.? Again the issue isn't the radio, nor the signalink, it's got to be something within Windows.
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Has anyone ever encountered this and knows what stupid little thing I'm missing?
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Thanks! |