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Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

Kevin Groenke @ PersonMakeObject
 

That one is NOT for your cast iron mk4 David - that is a cast aluminum one for the later zamac sl1000.
The correct one is less tapered and has a more smooth rounded shape.?

Kevin Groenke
PersonMakeObject.com


On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 7:26 AM davebjames via <davebjames=[email protected]> wrote:
Is this the correct one for my machine, old model mk4


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

Doesn't look like it. The cast iron one has a round flange where it meets the headstock... or where the column has been attached in the case of the photo.

On the whole if the ad doesn't make it clear then it's more likely the newer style.


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

Is this the correct one for my machine, old model mk4


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

Thank you to all who have put me on the right track, I was not aware there were different columns. I think all the ones I looked at on ebay were the wrong ones. I will try to look for a manual on the net for the Mk 4.


Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered

 

> No hammered finish

I would wait for a re-stock of Verde Green rustoleum.


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:55?AM Tamra <tamrabrogdon@...> wrote:
My local Commercial Sherwin Williams will color match and put it in a spray can, but we are looking at a minimum of 12 cans and $150....
this does not have a hammered finish, so you would have to buy the??clear hammered finish from Rustoleum.? It is available at Amazon.

It is only $28 for a quart of paint and I could purchase 1/2 pint paint cans, and would be a lot less expensive, perhaps $2 for a 1/2 Pint container and lid, Unlined....??

32 oz in a quart
1/2 pint is 8 oz,?

$7 + $2 paint can is $9.... seems to me that the spray cans are easier for $3.50...

Your thoughts?

Tamra


Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered

 

My local Commercial Sherwin Williams will color match and put it in a spray can, but we are looking at a minimum of 12 cans and $150....
this does not have a hammered finish, so you would have to buy the??clear hammered finish from Rustoleum.? It is available at Amazon.

It is only $28 for a quart of paint and I could purchase 1/2 pint paint cans, and would be a lot less expensive, perhaps $2 for a 1/2 Pint container and lid, Unlined....??

32 oz in a quart
1/2 pint is 8 oz,?

$7 + $2 paint can is $9.... seems to me that the spray cans are easier for $3.50...

Your thoughts?

Tamra


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

Kevin Groenke @ PersonMakeObject
 

David, your Unimat looks like an "mk4" which requires the "early version" cast iron, tapered bolt, mill adapter.


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 7:43 AM David James via <davebjames=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi there,

The one I have bought is very old, I think it is the SL. Attached is a photo, maybe I must wait until it arrives before I buy one. Thanks for the tip.



Regards

David James


On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Andy Carlson
Can't help with supplying one but do bear in mind that the column, headstock and milling bracket have two distinct versions. AFAIK you can't mix and match.

The earlier column has a tapered hole straight through the middle of the spigot into which a bolt with a tapered section screws. The later one has a groove (or is it two?) all around the circumference of the spigot.

My Uni has the earlier style... which is why I'm a bit vague on the later style.


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

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Hi Gang:

The old style have a bolt with a taper that goes through the stud on the head stock and the milling column. The stud on the head stock rotates to angle the head.

The new style the column has one blind hole to accept the locking set screw. The head stock has two grooves to allow the head to rotate with or with out the 20mm spacer. ( I have a 19mm (3/4") spacer that works fine )

I've made two bases for the milling column so I can mount it behind the machine for more flexibility. I think you could make your own base, column and head adapter. Using a shaft you could use an adapter like this:

Misumi also has shaft bases and are easy to deal with.

But if I were making a milling column I would build with a dovetail with a lead screw so I could accurately move the head up and down.

Good luck, Carl.


On 3/22/2023 8:30 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

Can't help with supplying one but do bear in mind that the column, headstock and milling bracket have two distinct versions. AFAIK you can't mix and match.

The earlier column has a tapered hole straight through the middle of the spigot into which a bolt with a tapered section screws. The later one has a groove (or is it two?) all around the circumference of the spigot.

My Uni has the earlier style... which is why I'm a bit vague on the later style.


Re: Unimat PC motor

 

Hi Keith,?

By any chance could you share the supplier of pulleys for the UNIMAT Pc??

My motor pulley gear is kinda worn and need replacing.?

Thanks!

JP


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

Hi there,

The one I have bought is very old, I think it is the SL. Attached is a photo, maybe I must wait until it arrives before I buy one. Thanks for the tip.



Regards

David James


On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 20:30, Andy Carlson
<andycarlson@...> wrote:
Can't help with supplying one but do bear in mind that the column, headstock and milling bracket have two distinct versions. AFAIK you can't mix and match.

The earlier column has a tapered hole straight through the middle of the spigot into which a bolt with a tapered section screws. The later one has a groove (or is it two?) all around the circumference of the spigot.

My Uni has the earlier style... which is why I'm a bit vague on the later style.


Re: Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

Can't help with supplying one but do bear in mind that the column, headstock and milling bracket have two distinct versions. AFAIK you can't mix and match.

The earlier column has a tapered hole straight through the middle of the spigot into which a bolt with a tapered section screws. The later one has a groove (or is it two?) all around the circumference of the spigot.

My Uni has the earlier style... which is why I'm a bit vague on the later style.


Unimat SL - Vertical column & Headstock Adapter

 

I am a new member here and the new proud owner of a Unimat SL, it is an old machine and not complete, it has no vertical column and head stock adapter for milling . I have found a number on Ebay but none of them want to ship out of the US & UK to where I live on Borneo Island. It would be much appreciated if someone had such items they wanted to dispose of and would be willing to ship abroad or knew of someone who could help.
Looking forward to learning how to use this little machine, may need some pointers from you folks on this group, thanks in advance


Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered

David Derjan
 

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They also have this color.


Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered

 

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Just wanted to throw this bit of info out there for you guys looking for original color. Testors makes an Olive Drab that is VERY similar to the factory Unimat green color. It can be found at Michaels, HobbyLobby, and most other crafts/hobby shops for about $6.99 a can. One can is just the right amount to cover the DB200 if you do 2 coats. It's also a paint/primer spray lacquer so it holds up pretty well to scratches/scuffs once it hardens and dries.? Takes about 20 minutes to dry to touch and 24hrs to fully cure at room temperature. It's not quite a 100% match but it's pretty close. Hope this helps!!

-Dave




Re: Maximum endmill size for U3 / PC Vertical Mill?

 

Just measured the spindle bore on my Basic - it's an M14 thread so it's no surprise that it is about 10.16 bore, like the U3. If using collets to hold bar or milling cutters it sort-of makes sense to get ER16s, which do up to 10 mm. I sometimes use ER25s as I have a holder designed for the job, and on the U3 I have a replacement ram which takes ER11, giving me up to 7 mm diameter, same as the usual drill chuck but more accurate and much more compact. I really don't like the tailstock on the Basic, so I may make a new one which will also take the ER11 ram (there is an ER16 version available too). As for the milling cutter, the motor is only about 40 W, so you won't find much use for a cutter above 6 mm, I would have thought. There are some DC motors that will fit and claim over 100 W power, but I haven't tried one yet. I intend to fit the Basic with modern high torque stepper motors and a substantial spindle motor in the hope of getting a useful NC lathe out of it.


Re: Maximum endmill size for U3 / PC Vertical Mill?

 

Thank you all!?

This makes sense. I am not in a rush for time, so the idea of larger tools and lighter cuts will work well for me!

I'll start off with an ER16 and add a 25 or 32 as needed.


On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 10:11?PM John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...> wrote:
You have a PC Basic.? The motors are small.? 3/8 mill should be OK.? For this an ER16 will work.? I have an ER25 set.? The benefit is for holding larger items in the lathe such as tubing.


Re: Maximum endmill size for U3 / PC Vertical Mill?

 

You have a PC Basic.? The motors are small.? 3/8 mill should be OK.? For this an ER16 will work.? I have an ER25 set.? The benefit is for holding larger items in the lathe such as tubing.


Re: Maximum endmill size for U3 / PC Vertical Mill?

 

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Hi JP:

There isn't any relationship between collet size and accuracy.

The limit isn't the size of the cutter, but more the depth of the cut. I would go larger so more tools will fit. I'm in favor of light cuts and more of them.

I have an ER32 chuck for my Unimat SL and have used it often.

Carl.

On 3/20/2023 9:56 PM, powster@... wrote:

Hi all, I'm considering? ER16 / ER20 / ER25 collet holder for my PC/Basic vertical mill.

Couple of questions:

- Is a larger collet holder better for accuracy (eg. larger = less runout?)

- Is there a endmill size that is "too large" for a stock U3 (and / or PC/Basic) given the smallish motor??

If 12mm is unfeasible, then ER25 doesn't make as much sense as an ER25.

?

Thanks!

JP


Maximum endmill size for U3 / PC Vertical Mill?

 

Hi all, I'm considering? ER16 / ER20 / ER25 collet holder for my PC/Basic vertical mill.

Couple of questions:

- Is a larger collet holder better for accuracy (eg. larger = less runout?)

- Is there a endmill size that is "too large" for a stock U3 (and / or PC/Basic) given the smallish motor??

If 12mm is unfeasible, then ER25 doesn't make as much sense as an ER25.

?

Thanks!

JP


Re: Case / base for newly acquired PC/basic

 

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Hi Gang:

Be sure to seal the surfaces, cutting oil will really sink in plywood or MDF. Steel needs oil not to rust, Formica is my second choice. I like to add a pencil groove to the front edge, I use a table saw on a diagonal to cut the radius.

I know weight makes the tool heavier to lift, but it really helps with the noise and vibration.

Carl.

On 3/20/2023 12:25 AM, Keith S. Angus wrote:

I did something like this a while back, when I built a bench specifically for making miniature parts for an F1 team. I was aiming to use my SL & U3 lathes, plus the little Proxxon mill. I made a cubby hole under the bench with wooden rails both sides to act as drawer runners. I made some wooden bases to fit on these runners, and bolted my machines to them. I added steel equipment handles which bolted right through the bases, so were unlikely to come unstuck. I made the bases of ?" MDF, because I had lots of it lying around, left over from constructing kitchen cabinets (or something like that). I also used them to build the bench, with a bit of kitchen worktop - on top. I could then put away all three machines under the bench leaving the top clear for hand work. I did find I had just enough room to get two machines running side by side.

Lessons to learn. The boards were based on the size of the SL, which has now gone off to Australia. This was big enough for the Proxxon mill, but for the U3 it was a tight fit. As for my PC/Basic, that came later and is definitely not going to fit. One day, when I am feeling strong I will modify the bench and make bigger machine bases. I will also add small racks, maybe just blocks with useful sized holes in them, to keep things like tommy bars, hex & chuck keys close by. For machines with 24 V motors and speed controls I might put the controllers on the boards so they are convenient to reach, but leave the 24 V power supply elsewhere so there is no high voltage on the board.

One day when I can dig my way back into the garage I will take some pictures so folks can see what I mean, and decide whether it is the sort of thing they need.

As for the base, use good quality wood. I would look for good quality ply, with a nice smooth surface. Round off the corners, sand the edges and maybe seal with. Consider adding a lip round the edge paint or varnish so small parts will not fall off. If the boards slide around on your bench get some large rubber feet or add some pads of sheet rubber to provide grip. For suitable handles go to a local hardware shop and look at some of the bigger door and drawer handles. Get something chunky, but remember, not so big it blocks access to the lathe.

Think ahead, and plan it out on a big sheet of paper on the bench. Then you will find the things you forgot about are not so important.