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ANYONE HAVE THE RIGHT URL FOR THE APRS SEVER LIST...


THANKS,
JOHN - W4JML

yes

Kurt and it is ON here 24/24 and never bugged but i am still on XP Pro (

oh sacrilege)and works great on older pc so no need to buy a new one.

73

gef




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De : ui-view@... <ui-view@...> de la part de Kurt ksaves2@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...>
Envoy� : 4 f関rier 2018 14:55
� : ui-view@...
Objet : Re: [UI-View] satellite



But, it's the only one that can take a "video" in real time, save it and play it back at a variety of speeds. Yes it's aged, getting maps can be a pain now. The interface for navigating around a mapis quirky but it's the only one that does real time recording. I've got it on several tablets on the Micro SD storage.
Other stuff can save the positions and one can recall a particular station and "Blammm!" it's painted all at once.

Kurt KC9LDH From: "Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view]" <ui-view@...>
To: "ui-view@..." <ui-view@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [UI-View] satellite

oui sylvain,

je sais ca mais je veut une identification sur mon uiview ici,,

anyway we can see that uiview is beginning to show some weakness after all those years ,not that it is not good because there still so many users outhere but time is passing also for a software.

i like it,simple and stable!

thanks Sylvain

Gervais

ve2ckn

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But, it's the only one that can take a "video" in real time, save it and play it back at a variety of speeds.聽 Yes it's aged, getting maps can be a pain now.聽 The interface for navigating around a mapis quirky but it's the only one that does real time recording.聽 I've got it on several tablets on the Micro SD storage.
Other stuff can save the positions and one can recall a particular station and "Blammm!" it's painted all at once.

Kurt KC9LDH From: "Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view]" <ui-view@...>
To: "ui-view@..." <ui-view@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [UI-View] satellite

聽 oui sylvain,

je sais ca mais je veut une identification sur mon uiview ici,,


anyway we can see that uiview is beginning to show some weakness after all those years ,not that it is not good because there still so many users outhere but time is passing also for a software.

i like it,simple and stable!



thanks Sylvain

Gervais

ve2ckn



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was thinking about what stephen wrote before!!

gervais



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De : ui-view@... <ui-view@...> de la part de Keith VE7GDH ve7gdh@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...>
Envoy� : 2 f関rier 2018 00:03
� : ui-view@...
Objet : Re: [UI-View] satellite



Gervais VE2CKN wrote...

we can see that UI-View is beginning to show some weakness

For those of us that aren't aware of what they are, could you
perhaps point out what some of those weaknesses are... that
is except for having to jump through some hoops to get the
best context sensitive help file there is in any APRS client
going?

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"




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Gervais VE2CKN wrote...

we can see that UI-View is beginning to show some weakness

For those of us that aren't aware of what they are, could you
perhaps point out what some of those weaknesses are... that
is except for having to jump through some hoops to get the
best context sensitive help file there is in any APRS client
going?

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"

Oh !

Ok, my bad Gervais... I didn鈥檛 realized you wanted it on-screen inside UI-View !
Now I understand :-)

.. sorry !

-Sylvain, VE2LAM, via 铮� iPhone

Le 1 f茅vr. 2018 脿 20:42, Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> a 茅crit :

oui sylvain,

je sais ca mais je veut une identification sur mon uiview ici,,


anyway we can see that uiview is beginning to show some weakness after all those years ,not that it is not good because there still so many users outhere but time is passing also for a software.

i like it,simple and stable!



thanks Sylvain

Gervais

ve2ckn




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De : ui-view@... <ui-view@...> de la part de lamarrsy lamarrsy@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...>
Envoy茅 : 1 f茅vrier 2018 18:16
脌 : ui-view@...
Objet : Re: [UI-View] satellite



Hello Gervais,

No need for trying to do that with UI-View, you can check online anytime when the ISS will pass over your QTH.

Use this site :

and enter your informations.

Or do like myself and go to this site and subscribe with your infos and email address to receive email alerts in advance, for when the ISS will pass overhead of your QTH:



Please note that the ISS packet station is inoperative presently.

73 !

-Sylvain, VE2LAM, via 铮� iPhone

Le 1 f茅vr. 2018 脿 14:40, 'Stephen H. Smith' wa8lmf@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> a 茅crit :

On 2/1/2018 9:07 AM, Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view] wrote:

hi all

how do i modify my filter to be able too see the satellite passing over my QTH?

i would like to see when the ISS is coming around,when amateur satellite are
coming over my location !!!

thanks for the tip

gervais

ve2ckn

riviere-bleue

Satellite tracking via the APRS-IS is almost completely useless! There are
numerous well-meaning but misinformed users attempting to feed satellite tracks
to the APRS-IS. Unfortunately, most of them are incorrect or incomplete. You
get two or three objects for the same satellite in different parts of the world
at the same !

Or the data is very locally oriented - i.e. useless messages such as "ISS
signal acquisition in 5 minutes" without saying WHERE. Obviously such a report
would only would apply to one point on the earth's surface. It might make
sense to beacon this kind of information on local RF, but is pointless on a
global network like the APRS-IS.

The one satellite track object that does work correctly is KJ4ERJ's space
station object injected from his virtual (simulated) igate. This beacon is
updated every two minutes and shows the station's actual location. It draws
both a point object for the station's location, and a circular area object
centered around it that shows the station's radio footprint on the ground.
The point object renders correctly on all APRS client programs, but the area
object is only displayed correctly on UIview.

You can receive this object by adding the entry point filter u/APZTLE to
your existing port 14580 filter port expression. It might seem that filtering
for the object name with an expression like o/ISS* would be the obvious
approach. But it doesn't work, because several other users on the APRS-IS are
gating junk under the same alias (ISSxx) which results in two or three space
stations at the same time, at different locations.


By the way, the digipeater on board the space station is currently NOT
WORKING. The only digipeats currently being heard on 145.825 are from "PSAT".
These are much harder to hear since they are coming from a cubesat with a
fractional-watt transmitter, compared to the ISS digi that used a 5-watt
transmitter. It appears that the ISS digipeater will not return to service
until late this summer or next fall when new Kenwood D710s will be sent to the
station.

----------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype: WA8LMF
EchoLink: Node # 14400 [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
<>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
<>







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Please do not top post, and trim quoted text as much as possible.

UI-View website:

UI-View Registration:
Select language & fill in your name and call sign. Return later to collect your registration.

APRS Server List: To update the APRS Server List, change the download URL to... aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt

For North American users, PMap 9 (Precision Mapping 9.0) along with PMapServer 9 can provide street level mapping for all of North America. They can be installed without hassle on Windows 7 & 8. PMapServer is available for download on the UI-View website. However, Undertow Software is no longer selling new copies of PMap 9, but existing owners can continue to use it as long as they can get it registered.

Users of anything newer than Windows XP should not install UI-View below Program Files. Instead, create a folder elsewhere. To view UI-View's built-in context sensitive help file, download and install WinHlp32.exe.


Stephen WA8LMF has many useful hints and tips about setting up and using UI-View on website:
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Yahoo Groups Links

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oui sylvain,

je sais ca mais je veut une identification sur mon uiview ici,,


anyway we can see that uiview is beginning to show some weakness after all those years ,not that it is not good because there still so many users outhere but time is passing also for a software.

i like it,simple and stable!



thanks Sylvain

Gervais

ve2ckn




________________________________
De : ui-view@... <ui-view@...> de la part de lamarrsy lamarrsy@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...>
Envoy茅 : 1 f茅vrier 2018 18:16
脌 : ui-view@...
Objet : Re: [UI-View] satellite



Hello Gervais,

No need for trying to do that with UI-View, you can check online anytime when the ISS will pass over your QTH.

Use this site :

and enter your informations.

Or do like myself and go to this site and subscribe with your infos and email address to receive email alerts in advance, for when the ISS will pass overhead of your QTH:



Please note that the ISS packet station is inoperative presently.

73 !

-Sylvain, VE2LAM, via 铮� iPhone

Hello Gervais,

No need for trying to do that with UI-View, you can check online anytime when the ISS will pass over your QTH.

Use this site :

and enter your informations.

Or do like myself and go to this site and subscribe with your infos and email address to receive email alerts in advance, for when the ISS will pass overhead of your QTH:



Please note that the ISS packet station is inoperative presently.

73 !

-Sylvain, VE2LAM, via 铮� iPhone

Le 1 f茅vr. 2018 脿 14:40, 'Stephen H. Smith' wa8lmf@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> a 茅crit :

On 2/1/2018 9:07 AM, Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view] wrote:

hi all

how do i modify my filter to be able too see the satellite passing over my QTH?

i would like to see when the ISS is coming around,when amateur satellite are
coming over my location !!!

thanks for the tip

gervais

ve2ckn

riviere-bleue

Satellite tracking via the APRS-IS is almost completely useless! There are
numerous well-meaning but misinformed users attempting to feed satellite tracks
to the APRS-IS. Unfortunately, most of them are incorrect or incomplete. You
get two or three objects for the same satellite in different parts of the world
at the same !

Or the data is very locally oriented - i.e. useless messages such as "ISS
signal acquisition in 5 minutes" without saying WHERE. Obviously such a report
would only would apply to one point on the earth's surface. It might make
sense to beacon this kind of information on local RF, but is pointless on a
global network like the APRS-IS.

The one satellite track object that does work correctly is KJ4ERJ's space
station object injected from his virtual (simulated) igate. This beacon is
updated every two minutes and shows the station's actual location. It draws
both a point object for the station's location, and a circular area object
centered around it that shows the station's radio footprint on the ground.
The point object renders correctly on all APRS client programs, but the area
object is only displayed correctly on UIview.

You can receive this object by adding the entry point filter u/APZTLE to
your existing port 14580 filter port expression. It might seem that filtering
for the object name with an expression like o/ISS* would be the obvious
approach. But it doesn't work, because several other users on the APRS-IS are
gating junk under the same alias (ISSxx) which results in two or three space
stations at the same time, at different locations.


By the way, the digipeater on board the space station is currently NOT
WORKING. The only digipeats currently being heard on 145.825 are from "PSAT".
These are much harder to hear since they are coming from a cubesat with a
fractional-watt transmitter, compared to the ISS digi that used a 5-watt
transmitter. It appears that the ISS digipeater will not return to service
until late this summer or next fall when new Kenwood D710s will be sent to the
station.

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Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype: WA8LMF
EchoLink: Node # 14400 [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
<>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
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Please do not top post, and trim quoted text as much as possible.

UI-View website:

UI-View Registration:
Select language & fill in your name and call sign. Return later to collect your registration.

APRS Server List: To update the APRS Server List, change the download URL to... aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt

For North American users, PMap 9 (Precision Mapping 9.0) along with PMapServer 9 can provide street level mapping for all of North America. They can be installed without hassle on Windows 7 & 8. PMapServer is available for download on the UI-View website. However, Undertow Software is no longer selling new copies of PMap 9, but existing owners can continue to use it as long as they can get it registered.

Users of anything newer than Windows XP should not install UI-View below Program Files. Instead, create a folder elsewhere. To view UI-View's built-in context sensitive help file, download and install WinHlp32.exe.


Stephen WA8LMF has many useful hints and tips about setting up and using UI-View on website:
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Yahoo Groups Links

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Thanks Lynn i will certainly try,

thanks again for all you are doing in the hobby

73
gervais
ve2ckn


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Envoy� : 1 f関rier 2018 09:39
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Objet : Re: [UI-View] satellite



This might get you a few extra stations, but add s//S to your filter to
get all stations using a satellite symbol. That will pick up my ISS and
PSAT objects.

You can also send an APRS message to "ISS" with any content and the
auto-responder will tell you when the next pass is coming at your most
recently transmitted location. See also:



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

On 2/1/2018 9:07 AM, Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view] wrote:

hi all

how do i modify my filter to be able too see the satellite passing over my QTH?


i would like to see when the ISS is coming around,when amateur satellite are coming over my location !!!


thanks for the tip

gervais

ve2ckn

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Posted by: Gervais Fillion <ve2ckn2@...>
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Please do not top post, and trim quoted text as much as possible.

UI-View website:

UI-View Registration:
Select language & fill in your name and call sign. Return later to collect your registration.

APRS Server List: To update the APRS Server List, change the download URL to... aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt

For North American users, PMap 9 (Precision Mapping 9.0) along with PMapServer 9 can provide street level mapping for all of North America. They can be installed without hassle on Windows 7 & 8. PMapServer is available for download on the UI-View website. However, Undertow Software is no longer selling new copies of PMap 9, but existing owners can continue to use it as long as they can get it registered.

Users of anything newer than Windows XP should not install UI-View below Program Files. Instead, create a folder elsewhere. To view UI-View's built-in context sensitive help file, download and install WinHlp32.exe.


Stephen WA8LMF has many useful hints and tips about setting up and using UI-View on website:
------------------------------------

Yahoo Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 2/1/2018 9:07 AM, Gervais Fillion ve2ckn2@... [ui-view] wrote:

hi all

how do i modify my filter to be able too see the satellite passing over my QTH?

i would like to see when the ISS is coming around,when amateur satellite are
coming over my location !!!

thanks for the tip

gervais

ve2ckn

riviere-bleue

Satellite tracking via the APRS-IS is almost completely useless! There are
numerous well-meaning but misinformed users attempting to feed satellite tracks
to the APRS-IS.� Unfortunately, most of them are incorrect or incomplete.� You
get two or three objects for the same satellite in different parts of the world
at the same !

Or the data is very locally oriented - i.e. useless messages such as "ISS
signal acquisition in 5 minutes" without saying WHERE. Obviously such a report
would only would apply to one point on the earth's surface.牋 It might make
sense to beacon this kind of information on local RF, but is pointless on a
global network like the APRS-IS.

The one satellite track object that does work correctly is KJ4ERJ's space
station object injected from his virtual (simulated) igate. This beacon is
updated every two minutes and shows the station's actual location.� It draws
both a point object for the station's location, and a circular area object
centered around it that shows the station's radio footprint on the ground. � �
The point object renders correctly on all APRS client programs, but the area
object is only displayed correctly on UIview.

You can receive this object by adding the entry point filter u/APZTLE牋牋 to
your existing port 14580 filter port expression. It might seem that filtering
for the object name with an expression like牋 o/ISS* 牋 would be the obvious
approach.牋 But it doesn't work, because several other users on the APRS-IS are
gating junk under the same alias (ISSxx)� which results in two or three space
stations at the same time, at different locations.


By the way, the digipeater on board the space station is� currently NOT
WORKING.� The only digipeats currently being heard on 145.825 are from "PSAT".�
These are much harder to hear since they are coming from a cubesat with a
fractional-watt transmitter, compared to the ISS digi that used a 5-watt
transmitter.牋 It appears that the ISS digipeater will not return to service
until late this summer or next fall when new Kenwood D710s will be sent to the
station.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith牋� wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:牋牋牋� WA8LMF
EchoLink:� Node #� 14400� [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:牋牋牋牋�

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
牋 <>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
牋 <>

This might get you a few extra stations, but add s//S to your filter to get all stations using a satellite symbol.聽 That will pick up my ISS and PSAT objects.

You can also send an APRS message to "ISS" with any content and the auto-responder will tell you when the next pass is coming at your most recently transmitted location.聽 See also:



Lynn (D) - KJ4ERJ - Author of APRSISCE for Windows Mobile and Win32

hi all

how do i modify my filter to be able too see the satellite passing over my QTH?


i would like to see when the ISS is coming around,when amateur satellite are coming over my location !!!


thanks for the tip

gervais

ve2ckn

riviere-bleue

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hi all


what words should add in my filter to be able too see the satellite that are passsing over my qth?


is it possible??


knowing that they are coming i could try too listen too them!

thanks

gervais

ve2ckn

Thanks for your comments. This is exactly what I needed to know. Unfortunately this posting has been taken out of context by some as to who makes the best radio or personal preferences. I thought Amateur Radio was about experimentation, growth and enjoyment.

I appreciate your comments as I really need a full functioning TNC to do what I want to do. My desire was toc try another digital mode with the Yaesu Fusion and still have APRS full functioning. It's not meant to be at this time.


73
Glen

The UI-View Group is very active. Most already do so,
but here are some some guidelines to follow.

1. Civility... this is practiced well by our members!

2. Sign your messages with your name and callsign.

3. Only post messages and responses that are relevant to UI-View.

4. Use plain text for messages sent to the UI-View support list.
When you address some 5000 recipients, you cannot know what their
email readers do with HTML formatted messages. Some will experience
unreadability.

5. IMPORTANT: When replying to a posting (message), kindly delete
all unnecessary text including the trailing text. Only leave the
poster's name, callsign and the time stamp, and the text from
the prior message about which you are commenting, and then trim
the rest. When viewing messages in the Yahoo web based interface,
the command [Up Thread] at the top of the message can be used, and
many email clients can group messages by thread also. Some members
have slow connections or pay for bandwidth. Brevity can often
also improve the clarity of your message. Do not top post... i.e.
do not type your reply above the quoted text.

6. When replying to a post, please decide if your comment should
go to the entire group of about 5000 or directly to the author.
Please think before replying to the group... replies like "I sure
do agree with that" do not add much to the group. Send thoughts
like those directly to the poster please.

7. Postings of sale or swapping of items are not wanted.

8. New members are all moderated for a number of postings. If the
messages follow the guidelines, they are approved and the member
is changed to un-moderated status.

This is a partially moderated list, i.e., only the user's first
messages are moderated, but all messages are monitored after posting.
If an un-moderated posting is found by the moderators to have a
problem, then the poster is changed to moderated status and in
most cases also contacted directly to resolve whatever has caused
the problem.

Actions are taken against those that chronically violate the rules.
The reason for this form of moderation is to block spammers from the
list and it is working well.

9. Do not add disclaimers to your posts that (1) restrict the ability
of other members to use the information you post, (2) claim a copyright
to your post, or (3) to claim any type of "rights" as a consequence of
another member replying to your post either directly to you or to the group.

10. Do not use anti-spam tools like challenge/response; the moderators
will not respond, and since messages to you then will bounce, you most
probably will be removed as a user of the group.

This message is sent to all new members, and to all members
every now and then. It has been revised as bounce reports have
changed a bit.

Any of us could experience no longer receiving email from the
UI-View support list. You might want to print this message and
review it if you stop receiving messages from the UI-View list.

If you stop receiving messages from the UI-View list, suspect
that either...

1) this or some other Yahoo group that you are a member of is
sending email which some spamblocker system regard as spam or
junk mail (quite a lot of these reports since summer 2009).

2) it may be that your email account has filled up with unread
messages or that the account on your mail server has ran out of
storage space. Read or delete the old messages on your mail server.

3) Some MSN or Hotmail accounts, and others such as arrl.net,
qsl.net which are used as a forwarding address from time to time
cannot forward to your primary address. When this hapens, the
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On 12/28/2017 5:11 PM, 'Stephen H. Smith' wa8lmf@... [ui-view] wrote:

Yaesu's "C4FM" is a proprietary format entangled in licensing issues.

This is a UI-View group, but since we seem to be talking about Yaesu radios, I'll ask the question:

Are you sure that the Yaesu System Fusion (their implementation of C4FM) is proprietary? Yaesu has published the data protocol on their web site without an explicit copyright and there's no mention of licensing the protocol. Yes, I know the vocoder is licensed from DVSI, Inc.

Bob...

On 12/28/2017 10:58 PM, Keith VE7GDH ve7gdh@... [ui-view] wrote:

Stephen WA8LMF wrote鈥�

Yaesu's "C4FM" is a proprietary format entangled
in licensing issues.

Are you sure about the word proprietary? I thought it was just the AMBE chip
that was licensed. When does the AMBE patent run out?

It's not the AMBE vocoder that is the issue. Practically all the digital voice
formats use it.

It's the way the digital data stream coming out of the vocoder is diced,
sliced, surrounded by error-correcting codes, packetized into blocks of varying
lengths, headers added, varying bit rates, etc before any of this hits the
actual radio modulator that make the various formats transmitted over
4-frequency FSK incompatible with each other.

PS - if you don鈥檛 like the term C4FM, you could just call it System Fusion.

System Fusion is also a horrible term - it refers to the automatic recognition
and switching between analog and digital modes. It doesn't say anything about
the nature of the digital mode used.

There鈥檚 a lot more to the FTM-400 than not being able to send data to the TNC.

However, the original poster was primarily interested in the use of UIview with
the radio - i.e. TNC connectivity issues.

The FTM-400 is a dream to use. C4FM (OK, System Fusion!) sounds a lot better
than D-STAR.

Agreed.

All the other digital voice modes attempt to cram the data stream into a 12.5
KHz occupied bandwidth (i.e. equivalent of 2.5 KHz analog deviation),
constraining the possible bitrate for the sampled audio. 聽聽 The result is
either a higher error rate or muffled crappy audio or both. 聽 Yaesu's digital
format is the only one that uses the full 20/25 KHz radio bandwidth (i.e.
occupied bandwidth equivalent to a classic 5 KHz-deviated analog FM signal).聽
This supports a higher bit rate and higher-quality audio stream that sounds
almost analog.

In the US, at least,聽 it has been MANDATORY in ALL the NON-ham radio services
(commercial land mobile, public-safety, etc) since 2014 (I think) to use an
occupied RF bandwidth no wider than the equivalent of a 2.5KHz-deviated analog
FM signal.聽 ( I.e. 12.5 KHz channel spacing.) 聽 You can opt for 2.5KHz
"sliver-band" analog FM, but the vast majority of users have switched to
low-bit-rate narrow-band digital formats. 聽 (2.5KHz-deviated analog FM is
awful. There's half as much audio recovery as the classic 5KHz FM, so the
slightest loss of full quieting is deadly, and virtually no impulse noise
suppression. At such a low deviation index, it's practically like AM!) 聽聽 This
is all in aid of doubling the number of land-mobile radio channels at the
expense of audio quality.

We in the amateur bands ARE NOT subject to this narrow-banding mandate.
Narrow-band digital modes are a solution looking for a problem in the ham
bands.聽 The wider-banded Yaesu digital fomat with it's potential for
simultaneous data and decent voice due to it's wider bandwidth makes far more
sense to me.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith聽聽聽 wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 WA8LMF
EchoLink:聽 Node #聽 14400聽 [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
聽聽 <>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
聽聽 <>