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Hi Jeff

Try it again.

Andy, M0CYP - Telford

HI


I am having a problem getting the registration for one of our Raynet Club callsigns. I was originally registered back in the day when Roger distributed them on paper. However, after a HDD crash and a new computer no one can find the bit of paper, and the registration website comes back with the message that it is not possible to register the callsign. Any ideas what I can do, the callsign in question is M0SEH.
73
Jeff G8HUL

The UI-View Group is very active. Most already do so,
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73 and good luck - your UI-View group moderators

Matt, if you can find the time to share exactly the steps you used to get
the radar images working again, I and I'm sure others would be extremely
grateful.
I looked on QRZ for an email but none listed so I'm sending my request to
the yahoo group hoping you'll see the request.

73 Bill, W1GTT

William Covey, W1GTT
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ARES Region 4 MCU Custodian
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Office of Emergency Management
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"Train as you operate, operate as you train"

Correct :-)

I'll post monitor logs tomorrow to show exactly what's happening.



Jim
________________________________________
From: ui-view@... [ui-view@...]
Sent: 13 March 2017 12:25
To: ui-view@...
Subject: RE: [UI-View] Supressing multiple message ACK's

Sequence is as follows:
A > B & C (Message)
B > A (ACK, sent direct)
C > B (Digi'd message)
B > C (ACK, sent via digi)
C > A (Digi'd ACK)

If all is as above, there is no extra ACK. A (the T3) sends the message. B (UI-View) hears it and sends an ACK. Then C (KPC-3+ digi) digipeats the original message. >B hears it again and sends another ACK.

If all is above, I don't see an an extra ACK.

I think the extra ack that Jim is on about is the ack of the digi'd message; since B has already ack'ed the message which was received direct.

I think he is querying why an ack is also sent for the same message that is received via the digi after the ack to the direct version of the same message has been sent.

73
Jeff G8HUL




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UI-View website:

UI-View Registration:
Select language & fill in your name and call sign. Return later to collect your registration.

APRS Server List: To update the APRS Server List, change the download URL to... aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt

For North American users, PMap 9 (Precision Mapping 9.0) along with PMapServer 9 can provide street level mapping for all of North America. They can be installed without hassle on Windows 7 & 8. PMapServer is available for download on the UI-View website. However, Undertow Software is no longer selling new copies of PMap 9, but existing owners can continue to use it as long as they can get it registered.

Users of anything newer than Windows XP should not install UI-View below Program Files. Instead, create a folder elsewhere. To view UI-View's built-in context sensitive help file, download and install WinHlp32.exe.


Stephen WA8LMF has many useful hints and tips about setting up and using UI-View on website:
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Yahoo Groups Links

In this case, wrong. Retry is set for 5 seconds, this is all happening within 2-3 seconds.

But you said below the source of the message was a T3, so UI-View's message retry interval doesn't come into it. The setting I mentioned would only affect messages originated by the UI-View station.

I also did not say the retry was UI-View. It's not, it's the T3 retry I was talking about here. I know UI-View's retry has nothing to do with it.


Bob has indicated this is how it's supposed to work, I'm happy with that explanation and need to look at other ways at reducing the traffic.



Jim

APRS ACKS every copy of a message they get, including dupes.

This is because ACKS have to go via the network TWICE and have that squared
lower probilibty of getting completed. If the network is giving 50%
reliability at each digi, the chance of getting back an ACK is only 6%.

Hence every copy gets an ack, and yet the probability that a message gets to
the recipient is still far greater than the chance of the ack getting back
on a typical APRS network. In the above example, the chance of message
delivery is 25% or four times higher.

So people should NOT wait for an ACK if they already see someone reply to
their message. The message from a human sent back will have a far higher
probability of getting through than will an ack. (25% compared to 6%).

And for that reason, EVERY one who receives and APRS message should do the
courtesy of sending a human response.

AND there's more. We invented the RELAY-ACK over a decade ago that further
adds duplicate copies of ACKS embedded in outgoing messages. So two people
that are in message dialog will have far grater success than those that just
send one-way messages and expect only an ACK to verify receipt.

Please do the courtesy of sending back a human response to incoming
messages.

AND turn off those stupid REPLY MESSAGS. They provide nothing useful in
most cases except more QRM on the network.

Bob, WB4APR

Sequence is as follows:
A > B & C (Message)
B > A (ACK, sent direct)
C > B (Digi'd message)
B > C (ACK, sent via digi)
C > A (Digi'd ACK)

If all is as above, there is no extra ACK. A (the T3) sends the message. B (UI-View) hears it and sends an ACK. Then C (KPC-3+ digi) digipeats the original message. >B hears it again and sends another ACK.

If all is above, I don't see an an extra ACK.

I think the extra ack that Jim is on about is the ack of the digi'd message; since B has already ack'ed the message which was received direct.

I think he is querying why an ack is also sent for the same message that is received via the digi after the ack to the direct version of the same message has been sent.

73
Jeff G8HUL

Jim G1HUL wrote...

In this case, wrong. Retry is set for 5 seconds, this is all happening within 2-3 seconds.

But you said below the source of the message was a T3, so UI-View's message retry interval doesn't come into it. The setting I mentioned would only affect messages originated by the UI-View station.

A (the source) is an OpenTracker T3
B (the destination) is using UI-View
C (the digi) is a KPC-3+ (running v9.1)

A only ever sends the message once and is receiving the ACK from B before the repeated beacon via C is even transmitted.

The repeated beacon is then treated as a new message by B and ACK'd as well.

It should not be treated as a new message. Is there not a unique message number at the end? You can verify this by watching UI-View's terminal window.

Sequence is as follows:
A > B & C (Message)
B > A (ACK, sent direct)
C > B (Digi'd message)
B > C (ACK, sent via digi)
C > A (Digi'd ACK)

If all is as above, there is no extra ACK. A (the T3) sends the message. B (UI-View) hears it and sends an ACK. Then C (KPC-3+ digi) digipeats the original message. B hears it again and sends another ACK.

If all is above, I don't see an an extra ACK.

How do you know if A received the original ACK from B? Mind you, I don't think it would care if it received both the original direct ACK from B plus one a fraction if a second later via the digi C.

I just don't see an extra ACK if all is as you outlined. C perhaps just held off digipeating the message because it heard B already transmitting the ACK. Does the digi have DWAIT set to 0? Of course, PERSIST and SLOTTIME come into it too.

Accepted that UI-View doesn't know that the ACK was received and this is how the APRS protocol intends it to work, however I'm looking at whether I can tweak it to make assumptions based on these specific conditions.

(This is all set up on my bench, so all stations can hear each other).

That helps.

I was going to ask if A hears the ACK direct from B, but if A only sends the message once, it must have received an ACK鈥� either direct or later via the digi.

Can you see on the T3 if it hears both the original ACK and the digi' done? I mean does it actually decode both of them, not just if A's radio heard them.

I assume this is going to be deployed somewhere that B won't be able to hear A direct. Try putting a dummy load on B and move A far enough away that B can't hear it direct. Watch UI-View's terminal window.

It will of course help if someone is available to originate the message from The T3.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"

Nope. Station A is sending the message because it didn't receive an ACK

In this case, wrong. Retry is set for 5 seconds, this is all happening within 2-3 seconds.

A (the source) is an OpenTracker T3
B (the destination) is using UI-View
C (the digi) is a KPC-3+ (running v9.1)

A only ever sends the message once and is receiving the ACK from B before the repeated beacon via C is even transmitted.

The repeated beacon is then treated as a new message by B and ACK'd as well.

Sequence is as follows:
A > B & C (Message)
B > A (ACK, sent direct)
C > B (Digi'd message)
B > C (ACK, sent via digi)
C > A (Digi'd ACK)

Accepted that UI-View doesn't know that the ACK was received and this is how the APRS protocol intends it to work, however I'm looking at whether I can tweak it to make assumptions based on these specific conditions.

(This is all set up on my bench, so all stations can hear each other).



Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: ui-view@... [mailto:ui-view@...]
Sent: 12 March 2017 22:29
To: ui-view@...
Subject: Re: [UI-View] Supressing multiple message ACK's

Jim G1HUL wrote...

> Station A sends a message to Station B, via Station > C. Is there any way of configuring UI-View to > suppress the duplicate ACK, or at least adjusting > a timer so it won't ACK again within xx seconds?

Nope. Station A is sending the message because it didn't receive an ACK. If A keeps sending it to station B, B will keep sending an ACK each time it receives it.

Assuming station B is using UI-View, it will either use a reverse path derived from the incoming message, or it will use the default path from the station setup if enabled. That is under options in the message window.

Station A could adjust the path, or station B could consider what path it is using in the station setup and decide whether it would be better.

If station A is using UI-View, it could decide the retry interval, how many times to try sending a message, whether to "retry on heard" and whether to expire un-ACKed messages. It doesn't get much better.

Station C could up the power or improve it's antenna - hi!

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"


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Posted by: Keith VE7GDH <ve7gdh@...>
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Please do not top post, and trim quoted text as much as possible.

UI-View website:

UI-View Registration:
Select language & fill in your name and call sign. Return later to collect your registration.

APRS Server List: To update the APRS Server List, change the download URL to... aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt

For North American users, PMap 9 (Precision Mapping 9.0) along with PMapServer 9 can provide street level mapping for all of North America. They can be installed without hassle on Windows 7 & 8. PMapServer is available for download on the UI-View website. However, Undertow Software is no longer selling new copies of PMap 9, but existing owners can continue to use it as long as they can get it registered.

Users of anything newer than Windows XP should not install UI-View below Program Files. Instead, create a folder elsewhere. To view UI-View's built-in context sensitive help file, download and install WinHlp32.exe.


Stephen WA8LMF has many useful hints and tips about setting up and using UI-View on website:
------------------------------------

Yahoo Groups Links

Jim G1HUL wrote...

Station A sends a message to Station B, via Station
C. Is there any way of configuring UI-View to
suppress the duplicate ACK, or at least adjusting
a timer so it won't ACK again within xx seconds?

Nope. Station A is sending the message because it
didn't receive an ACK. If A keeps sending it to
station B, B will keep sending an ACK each time
it receives it.

Assuming station B is using UI-View, it will either
use a reverse path derived from the incoming message,
or it will use the default path from the station setup
if enabled. That is under options in the message window.

Station A could adjust the path, or station B could
consider what path it is using in the station setup
and decide whether it would be better.

If station A is using UI-View, it could decide the
retry interval, how many times to try sending a message,
whether to "retry on heard" and whether to expire
un-ACKed messages. It doesn't get much better.

Station C could up the power or improve it's antenna - hi!

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"

I have a situation that is generating a lot of duplicate packets.



Station A sends a message to Station B, via Station C.



But if Station B receives the message direct and ACK's, then receives the
same message via C, it ACK's again, therefore generating a duplicate ACK
which is repeated by C (as expected, as it came via the digi).



So instead of three packets, I get five.



Is there any way of configuring UI-View to supress the duplicate ACK, or at
least adjusting a timer so it won't ACK again within xx seconds?







Jim

Keith VE7GDH.....
Thanks for the hints.


Turns out that I had (idiotically) put the "Filter m/250" instruction on the line entitled "text to send on connection" instead of "extra log-on text". Once I put the filter-command on the proper line, the inbound station information came pouring in .. just like it used to.


Again, thanks for jogging my memory.


73


Bill W1WAB

Bill W1WAB wrote...

Admittedly, it has been some time since I used
the APRS servers function; relying on RF TNC transmissions
instead. However, in trying to setup an internet-only
backup station, I failed in receiving any other stations
data when using APRS servers.

1) The latest list of servers has been downloaded...
2) My correct registration and validation numbers are
inserted in the UI-View program
3) I am able successfully SEND my information via
the servers
4) The issue occurs on Win 10, Win7, and XP machines

What callsign-SSID are we discussing? Is it W1WAB?
I can see it beaconing on RF, but it doesn't appear
to be connected to a server, at least not for the
nearly the last 5 hours, when it was connected to
EIGHTH. If you were still connected, I cold look at
your filter.

Hopefully you have UI-View installed somewhere
other than below Program Files or Program Files (x86).
With user access control, it would prevent you from
saving settings unless you fiddle with things like
install as admin, run as admin etc. It's far simpler
to just not install it somewhere that Windows will
object to changes to any files... e.g. instead install
it in somewhere like C:&#92;RADIO&#92;UI-VIEW or C:&#92;UI-VIEW.

Am I correct in using 14580 port at the end of
the servers? I've tried the servers both with and
without filter strings... Could a "port" be blocked
by my ISP or router preventing receipt of info?

If you are connected on port 14580, you should be
using a filter. It would go in the "extra logon text".
e.g. filter m/250 if you wanted everything within
250 km of your location, as long as you have sent
a position report. That's about the simplest filter.
Many other filter types are available.

I would get the filter entered before worrying
about a firewall blocking you.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost,but I know exactly where I am!"

Admittedly, it has been some time since I used the APRS servers function; relying on RF TNC transmissions instead. However, in trying to setup an internet-only backup station, I failed in receiving any other stations data when using APRS servers.


background:
1) The latest list of servers has been downloaded, installed.
2) My correct registration and validation numbers are inserted in the UIView program
3) I am able successfully SEND my information via the servers
4) The issue occurs on Win 10, Win7, and XP machines


Am I correct in using 14580 port at the end of the servers?
I've tried the servers both with and without filter strings.....
Could a "port" be blocked by my ISP or router preventing receipt of info?


Open to suggestions.
The process used to work........


73


Bill W1WAB (also ke4zip)

try this site



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:34 AM, me schrege@... [ui-view] <
ui-view@...> wrote:

try this



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Eddie Pike k4eds1@... [ui-view] <
ui-view@...> wrote:

I am seeking to find a copy of the precision mapping 9.0 software. I
have been using pa7rhm maps with ui-view with windows 7 but have
upgraded to a windows 10 laptop. Any information would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks. 73

--
Eddie Pike - K4EDS
423-273-8989
k4eds1@...

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That's why certain people appear bright until you hear them speak."

Albert Einstein

thats a link too an update .exe,it is not the software.

73

gervais



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Envoy� : 8 mars 2017 10:34
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Objet : Re: [UI-View] Looking for Precision Mapping 9.0 Software



try this



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Eddie Pike k4eds1@... [ui-view] <
ui-view@...> wrote:

I am seeking to find a copy of the precision mapping 9.0 software. I
have been using pa7rhm maps with ui-view with windows 7 but have
upgraded to a windows 10 laptop. Any information would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks. 73

--
Eddie Pike - K4EDS
423-273-8989
k4eds1@...

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I tried checking out the link and found it was not a full version. Pmap said they had no copies and to get a used copy or check eBay. I will also check out the peer file sharing. 73

Eddie K4EDS

On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Stephen Smith wa8lmf@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> wrote:



Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:34 AM, me schrege@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> wrote:

try this

This is a totally irrelevant response. The download at the link above is only the final patch (update) for Precision Mapping. posted over three years ago. It is NOT a full version of the program.

The only way to get Pmap 9 today is to copy someone else's DVD, or to look for it on the BitTorrent peer-to peer file sharing network.

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On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:34 AM, me schrege@... [ui-view] <ui-view@...> wrote:

try this

This is a totally irrelevant response. The download at the link above is only the final patch (update) for Precision Mapping. posted over three years ago. It is NOT a full version of the program.

The only way to get Pmap 9 today is to copy someone else's DVD, or to look for it on the BitTorrent peer-to peer file sharing network.