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Re: New restrictive regulations :-(

 

Roger Barker <roger@...> wrote :

[snip]

So, any connection to the internet is now explicitly banned, unless
you
get a NoV. They've used the NoV to screw up the packet network for
years, and now they're going to use it to screw up the ability to
connect to the internet. In the past, some of us have quietly
wondered
whether APRS IGATEs might be legal under our regulations, now it's
been made very clear that they aren't.

Another sad day for amateur radio in this country. What on earth are
the
RA and the blue-blazer brigade at the RSGB afraid of? And a good
question might be - who is leading who?

(Yes, I am annoyed!)
I entirely agree with you Roger and cannot see the logic behind this.
As a matter of interest, I wonder if there are any restrictions on
people who do not hold an amateur radio licence relaying information
to the internet. The amateur radio bands are after all licence free to
receive. Maybe my XYL can operate an IGATE without any official
argument. :-)

73 Laurie (G6ISY)


Re: New restrictive regulations :-(

 

Hi All

Roger quoted:

This means that from the 31st of January, connection between
amateur radio and non-amateur networks such as the Internet
will not be allowed, unless permission has been granted by
the Secretary of State. This generally means an NoV (a Notice
of Variation) to your Amateur Radio Licence.
Following on from what Roger said -- I have to agree that the "powers that
be" are about to stop us moving forward again and that I too am annoyed!! I
have been using the IP server connection of UI-View to monitor the world
because there seem so few of us using APRS down in the far south west. Now
I'll have to turn it off.

I also remember what has happened in the past (in the early days when even
packet itself seemed to be banned) and the pedantry of some when
interpreting gazette notices:

I would remind all those who use a computer for packet working (with such
wonderful applications as WinPack and UIView) that if the wording of the
notice is to be adhered to in its strictest sense, they must turn off and
disconnect their TNC and radio whenever they wish to "browse the web" or
send an internet e-mail. :-)

Regards
Andy McMullin
Faculty Technical Manager
University of Plymouth Business School


Overlay updated

Karl G6ODT
 

The station overlays have been updated yet again.
The main one now shows 426 stations with all data
extracted from 41Mb of logfiles.
All network and gated stations have been removed.

If your information is wrong then update to beacon
text as the information used is taken directly from your
beacons.

73 Karl G6ODT
g6odt@...



24hr Digi 144.800 Relay,Wide,Irth,G6ODT


WFW 3.11 TCPIP32

Karl G6ODT
 

Hi All,

Incase there are any Windows 3.11 users out there that might want
to add TCPIP to their Network I have located a file call TCPIP32.EXE
on the Microsoft Site.
It's version Number is 3.11.158 and Microsoft claim it's the lastest version.
It's only for Windows 3.11 not 3.1.
A couple of Microsoft articles worth a look at on this subject are:-
Q111682 and Q122544.

To save you time searching the Microsoft sites I've repacked the files so
their are available either as a normal Zip file or a self-extracting Zip file.

Once added to the protocols setting up is now very much like Win95/98.

How this will save somebody time searching the Internet.

73 Karl G6ODT
g6odt@...



24hr Digi 144.800 Relay,Wide,Irth,G6ODT


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Jerry L. Reed
 


Re: Use of single port laptops

"Alan Morris, G4ENS" <[email protected]
 

From: Roger Barker <roger@...>

Does anyone know where I can get the PacComm cable in the UK?
Wot, no answer? ;-) I think that must mean it isn't available in the UK!

Recently I telephoned a few UK ham radio dealers regarding upgrading my
PacComm TNC. They are generally not interested due to lack of profit margin.
An unfortunate stituation as found in many situations today. However their
(Pac Comm) USA web site and customer support via e-mail was very good.


Another question then - If I implement support for sharing a COM port
between the TNC and the GPS, how many subscribers to this list have got
any hardware that can take advantage of it? If anyone has got anything,
then I'd be really interested to know what it is, and what *exactly* is
required for switching between its two inputs.
You may recall the recent Dutch posting to this list:-
From: rdffoxhunting@...
Dear Roger,
We are a hamradio group inside PA.
..........snip
We also have a solution to use one com together with GPS+MODEM att.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Also the manual for Eskay Packet SP 9.10 ( a DOS packet program ) has a
circuit for connecting up to 4 TNCs on a single COM port. However the baud
rates must be the same on all TNCs according to the manual. It uses 4 bridge
connected sets of 4 diodes, plus 2 more diodes and 2 resistors. A 4-way
optical isolator IC is also used.

Switching is performed by selecting RTS and DTR lines. The original design
was by DB9AP and was developed by DL7WA. The 2-TNC switcher (described
above) was developed by DG5FAU and DG6UL.

I use a Garmin GPS-75 connected to a Psion 5 or a Psion 3a or a laptop for
moving map displays and backingup / editing tracks and waypoints. I am also
investigating connecting all 3 computers at the same time to the GPS as it is
designed for outputting to multiple devices when used in boating circles. I
use mine for land navigation in a Land Rover.

Adding a future version of UI-View that could display a moving map showing my
moving position, the positions of others and transmit my position using a
laptop (mine's a 486) would be ideal.

Alan, G4ENS.
Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Where do you want to go today ? Somewhere stable - away from Windows.


New restrictive regulations :-(

Roger Barker <[email protected]
 

For those who haven't seen it, the following is a quote from the RSGB
News:-

**
Gazette Notices dated the 10th of January have been issued which give
details of Notices of Variation covering all classes of amateur radio
licence in the UK. Of the several items listed, one covers the linking
of amateur radio to the Internet, and comes into force from the 31st of
January. It reads: '& The Licensee shall not connect the Station to any
non-amateur network, including the Public Switched Telecommunications
Network, except with the written permission of the Secretary of State&'.

This means that from the 31st of January, connection between amateur
radio and non-amateur networks such as the Internet will not be allowed,
unless permission has been granted by the Secretary of State. This
generally means an NoV (a Notice of Variation) to your Amateur Radio
Licence.
**
Etc...

So, any connection to the internet is now explicitly banned, unless you
get a NoV. They've used the NoV to screw up the packet network for
years, and now they're going to use it to screw up the ability to
connect to the internet. In the past, some of us have quietly wondered
whether APRS IGATEs might be legal under our regulations, now it's
been made very clear that they aren't.

Another sad day for amateur radio in this country. What on earth are the
RA and the blue-blazer brigade at the RSGB afraid of? And a good
question might be - who is leading who?

(Yes, I am annoyed!)

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@...
Boston
Lincolnshire, UK


UI-Path DX Announcment

Andy Pritchard
 

Hi All

I have implemented the facility for UI-Path to run an external applicaion
when a station exceeds the specified distance for a dx station

The example just loads a wav file.

Also new help file it's on onelist extras folder uipth16j.zip

73 - Andy, G7OCW


unsubscribe

John H Laffey
 

Thanks,

John Laffey


Re: Garmin RS232 Connector source ?

"KURT KLEMENT" <[email protected]
 

Look on the net for
CLOVER TECHNOLOGY
They have this conection for Garmin GPS
----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----
Frn: Pauline Moldon
Till: ui-view@...
Skickat: den 12 januari 2000 10:26
mne: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Pauline Moldon" <Paulinem@...>

Dear all,

Some time ago someone on the list mentionmed a source for the round 4 pin
plug used on the handheld Garmin GPS Receivers.

Does anyone recall this source

Thanks in advance

Pauline



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Re: Best DX bug

 

From: Roger Barker <roger@...>

In article <8446231212012000/A14653/EBWDMS/11E163172D00*@MHS>,
lawrence.hill@... writes
From: lawrence.hill@...

Roger,

The following is the relevant extract from my log files regarding
the
DX bug. I tried an experiment last night and sent my beacon to my
own
call via a digi so that it reached GU7DHI (who cannot hear me
direct)
and it did cause him to report me as his best DX. Before I did this
he
was reporting "no stations heard except via a digi"

73 Laurie (G6ISY)


36527.654050925915:41:50T G6ISY>BEACON,F5KBM-1,TRACE6-6 <UI C
Len=57>:
021541 DX: G1EUC 51.43.06N 0.35.06E 91.8 miles 49 15:08

36527.664178240715:56:25R
PA0JRP>PA0JRP,PD0GJM-2*,G3OJZ-6*,G1EUC*,TRACE5-3 <UI C Len=73>:
=5152.65N&#92;00430.75E-{iuv21} qrv 144.450 mHz een voorspoedig 2000
{UIV21}
When I feed that into the program, it shows it as digi'd in the
Station
List, and ignores it for the best DX report. Are you using 2.16b?
Very strange.
Yes I am using 2.16b. Only UI-View direct to TNC, (no AGW etc).
TNC is an MFJ1270B running in KISS mode.

I'll email you the entire log file (zipped) in case it helps.
I can reproduce the effect by playing back the log (he shows up im the
station list as having been heard direct). You will also see several
other stations (who I know did not hear the PA direct) reporting him
as their best.

73 Laurie (G6ISY)


Re: Best DX bug

Roger Barker <[email protected]
 

In article <8446231212012000/A14653/EBWDMS/11E163172D00*@MHS>,
lawrence.hill@... writes
From: lawrence.hill@...

Roger,

The following is the relevant extract from my log files regarding the
DX bug. I tried an experiment last night and sent my beacon to my own
call via a digi so that it reached GU7DHI (who cannot hear me direct)
and it did cause him to report me as his best DX. Before I did this he
was reporting "no stations heard except via a digi"

73 Laurie (G6ISY)


36527.654050925915:41:50T G6ISY>BEACON,F5KBM-1,TRACE6-6 <UI C
Len=57>:
021541 DX: G1EUC 51.43.06N 0.35.06E 91.8 miles 49 15:08

36527.664178240715:56:25R
PA0JRP>PA0JRP,PD0GJM-2*,G3OJZ-6*,G1EUC*,TRACE5-3 <UI C Len=73>:
=5152.65N&#92;00430.75E-{iuv21} qrv 144.450 mHz een voorspoedig 2000
{UIV21}
When I feed that into the program, it shows it as digi'd in the Station
List, and ignores it for the best DX report. Are you using 2.16b?

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@...
Boston
Lincolnshire, UK


Re: Garmin RS232 Connector source ?

"Pauline Moldon" <[email protected]
 

Thankyou Alan and Finn,

I have E-mailed Angus

HNY

Pauline

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Strong" <as@...>
To: <ui-view@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Alan Strong" <as@...>

Try Angus Pinkerton [Angus.Pinkerton@...]

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Moldon [mailto:Paulinem@...]
Sent: 12 January 2000 09:27
To: ui-view@...
Subject: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Pauline Moldon" <Paulinem@...>

Dear all,

Some time ago someone on the list mentionmed a source for the round 4
pin
plug used on the handheld Garmin GPS Receivers.

Does anyone recall this source

Thanks in advance

Pauline



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Re: Use of single port laptops

"Duncan Bray" <[email protected]
 

Hi Roger,
My understanding is that the Kantronics Packet Communicator 3 has inbuilt
provision for the attachment of a GPS unit....there is an unused dill socket
at the front of the motherboard for that purpose...presumably via a ribbon
cable through the joint between the case halves. Unfortunately, I cannot be
more specific as I was not given the manual for the TNC by the family of the
silent key from whom I purchased it......but at least it will point you in
the right direction.....given of course, that I have correctly interpreted
your request.
73 de Duncan, G4MKI
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----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Barker <roger@...>
To: <ui-view@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [ui-view] Use of single port laptops


From: Roger Barker <roger@...>

In article <or0JUBA6VGe4EwuF@...>, Roger Barker
<roger@...> writes
[snip]

Does anyone know where I can get the PacComm cable in the UK?
Wot, no answer? ;-) I think that must mean it isn't available in the UK!

Another question then - If I implement support for sharing a COM port
between the TNC and the GPS, how many subscribers to this list have got
any hardware that can take advantage of it? If anyone has got anything,
then I'd be really interested to know what it is, and what *exactly* is
required for switching between its two inputs. (You can't simply
parallel two devices on one COM port, there has to be some external
hardware involved that can select one or the other, usually by using the
RTS and DTR lines.)

I've now had a good look at sharing the port, and I've got it working,
but the big problem is that I have no knowledge of what hardware is
available, other than what I have used for testing.

I built the two transistor switch as detailed in the DOS APRS GPS.TXT
file. However, it didn't work with some TNCs in KISS mode (not a problem
for DOS APRS, because it doesn't support KISS), so I had to make a
modification. It uses two transistors, three diodes and four resistors,
so it's easy enough to build, the only problem is building it in a
sufficiently neat and robust format for mobile use.

I believe some TNCs have a port for attaching a GPS, but I haven't got
one, so any info as to what TNCs have this facility, and technical
details from the manufacturers notes as to how you switch between the
two inputs would be very useful.

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@...
Boston
Lincolnshire, UK

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Re: Best DX bug

 

Roger,

The following is the relevant extract from my log files regarding the
DX bug. I tried an experiment last night and sent my beacon to my own
call via a digi so that it reached GU7DHI (who cannot hear me direct)
and it did cause him to report me as his best DX. Before I did this he
was reporting "no stations heard except via a digi"

73 Laurie (G6ISY)


36527.654050925915:41:50T G6ISY>BEACON,F5KBM-1,TRACE6-6 <UI C
Len=57>:
021541 DX: G1EUC 51.43.06N 0.35.06E 91.8 miles 49 15:08

36527.664178240715:56:25R
PA0JRP>PA0JRP,PD0GJM-2*,G3OJZ-6*,G1EUC*,TRACE5-3 <UI C Len=73>:
=5152.65N&#92;00430.75E-{iuv21} qrv 144.450 mHz een voorspoedig 2000
{UIV21}
36527.664178240715:56:25T
PA0JRP>PA0JRP,PD0GJM-2*,G3OJZ-6*,G1EUC*,G6ISY*,TRACE5-2 <UI C Len=73>:
=5152.65N&#92;00430.75E-{iuv21} qrv 144.450 mHz een voorspoedig 2000
{UIV21}


36527.695682870416:41:47T G6ISY>BEACON,F5KBM-1,TRACE6-6 <UI C
Len=59>:
021641 DX: PA0JRP 51.52.65N 4.30.75E 250.0 miles 71 15:56


Re: Use of single port laptops

ken collins <[email protected]
 

In message <HYFyIBA56Ff4Ewxh@...>, Roger Barker
<roger@...> writes

Hi,

Wot, no answer? ;-) I think that must mean it isn't available in the UK!
Sorry, forgot to mention this in my previous e-mail.

After seeing your request I did a ring round in the UK but with negative
results. I also did a search on the Internet. Saw references to it but
no details. Will try and get a friend in the US to source it for me.

The new Paccom approach is interesting, i.e., having dual RS232 ports on
the TNC. This is the approach they have used in the Pico Packet which
also has an option for a built in GPS receiver and antenna.

Afraid that's not much help but will keep trying.

Wonder if Ev has any information on a US source.

---
Ken


Re: Use of single port laptops

Roger Barker <[email protected]
 

In article <or0JUBA6VGe4EwuF@...>, Roger Barker
<roger@...> writes
[snip]

Does anyone know where I can get the PacComm cable in the UK?
Wot, no answer? ;-) I think that must mean it isn't available in the UK!

Another question then - If I implement support for sharing a COM port
between the TNC and the GPS, how many subscribers to this list have got
any hardware that can take advantage of it? If anyone has got anything,
then I'd be really interested to know what it is, and what *exactly* is
required for switching between its two inputs. (You can't simply
parallel two devices on one COM port, there has to be some external
hardware involved that can select one or the other, usually by using the
RTS and DTR lines.)

I've now had a good look at sharing the port, and I've got it working,
but the big problem is that I have no knowledge of what hardware is
available, other than what I have used for testing.

I built the two transistor switch as detailed in the DOS APRS GPS.TXT
file. However, it didn't work with some TNCs in KISS mode (not a problem
for DOS APRS, because it doesn't support KISS), so I had to make a
modification. It uses two transistors, three diodes and four resistors,
so it's easy enough to build, the only problem is building it in a
sufficiently neat and robust format for mobile use.

I believe some TNCs have a port for attaching a GPS, but I haven't got
one, so any info as to what TNCs have this facility, and technical
details from the manufacturers notes as to how you switch between the
two inputs would be very useful.

--
Roger Barker, G4IDE roger@...
Boston
Lincolnshire, UK


Re: Garmin RS232 Connector source ?

"Finn Stampe Mikkelsen" <[email protected]
 

If that should'nt pan out, then try this link

It's a complete list over local pfranc's, which can provide these garmin connectors....

Vy 73 de OZ5Z/Finn
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From: Alan Strong <as@...>
To: <ui-view@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Alan Strong" <as@...>

Try Angus Pinkerton [Angus.Pinkerton@...]

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Moldon [mailto:Paulinem@...]
Sent: 12 January 2000 09:27
To: ui-view@...
Subject: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Pauline Moldon" <Paulinem@...>

Dear all,

Some time ago someone on the list mentionmed a source for the round 4 pin
plug used on the handheld Garmin GPS Receivers.

Does anyone recall this source

Thanks in advance

Pauline



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Re: Garmin RS232 Connector source ?

"Alan Strong" <[email protected]
 

Try Angus Pinkerton [Angus.Pinkerton@...]

-----Original Message-----
From: Pauline Moldon [mailto:Paulinem@...]
Sent: 12 January 2000 09:27
To: ui-view@...
Subject: [ui-view] Garmin RS232 Connector source ?


From: "Pauline Moldon" <Paulinem@...>

Dear all,

Some time ago someone on the list mentionmed a source for the round 4 pin
plug used on the handheld Garmin GPS Receivers.

Does anyone recall this source

Thanks in advance

Pauline



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Garmin RS232 Connector source ?

"Pauline Moldon" <[email protected]
 

Dear all,

Some time ago someone on the list mentionmed a source for the round 4 pin
plug used on the handheld Garmin GPS Receivers.

Does anyone recall this source

Thanks in advance

Pauline