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Table sizes for scenarios in Anzio and Sicily scenario books
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Hi folks: What map table sizes have you used for any scenarios from the Anzio or Sicily scenario books? Both books are silent on the issue. All the maps in the book measure about 16 cm. wide x 21 cm. long which if scaled equals about 4 ft. wide x 5.3. ft. wide.
What do you recommend for Anzio or Sicily scenarios.?
FWIW, both the Where the Hell Have You Been, Boys? and All-American scenario books detail the exact size of the maps to be used and also include 1 ft. square grids with those scenarios having 5x6 (especially WTHHYB) while All-American has a variety, 4x6, 6x6, 6x8)
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开云体育I play almost all my games on two 30x60 inch tables long-sides together, regardless of what’s called for.? Those are the tables I have, I play ‘em.? Just like I won’t play a points-based game, it’s always what I have on hand that gets put on the table. ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Dan
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 8:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TooFatLardies] Table sizes for scenarios in Anzio and Sicily scenario books ? Hi folks: What map table sizes have you used for any scenarios from the Anzio or Sicily scenario books? Both books are silent on the issue. All the maps in the book measure about 16 cm. wide x 21 cm. long which if scaled equals about 4 ft. wide x 5.3. ft. wide. What do you recommend for Anzio or Sicily scenarios.? FWIW, both the Where the Hell Have You Been, Boys? and All-American scenario books detail the exact size of the maps to be used and also include 1 ft. square grids with those scenarios having 5x6 (especially WTHHYB) while All-American has a variety, 4x6, 6x6, 6x8) ? |
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Thanks.? I appreciate the need to be flexible and play with what you have.? But as I posted on Facebook in a comment addresses to someone else..
ok, I get it ..."play the period, not the rules" but that means any sense of standardization is gone. it means that if you play 9x6 and another plays 4x6...then with your table it can, for example, mean that a) it takes 50% longer in terms of turns for?a unit entering on one side of the board to reach an objective off the board or b) firing distances between units are 50% longer, c) the list goes on. Now if the game has no Victory Conditions or no Turn considerations and it is just a scrimmage..........but if one buys the scenario books like I do, one expects, reasonably so, for those critical details like the size of the table to be somewhat fixed like they are in Operation Compass, WTHHYBB and All-American.... |
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I think it’s assumed that the table sizes are based around “regulation” size tables that are 4x6 ft then adjust from there?
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On Sunday, July 26, 2020, 8:37 AM, Dan <dan.albrecht.vt@...> wrote:
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开云体育There have to be some rulesie. if you are playing a scenario from a TFL book then the table is set from the map scale
If you are playing a scenario using an ordnance survey map of the area surrounding Gwyrch Castle on a 1” : mile ordnance map from 1950 and you are playing an 1805 Sharp Practice rules then the game wil be in more than one part.?
Landing ground on the beach and a village.?
Secure the town (Abergele) and assault the gate house.?
Take the manor (Keep) in the castle grounds.?
The map will give the table size.?
I think the ground. Scale for SP2 is 1/280th or there about.?
Forces 1 Coy Royal Welsh Fusiliers.?
Militia from Rhuddlan and Conwy.?
Militia cavalry
French regulars
Coy Grenadiers
Coy. Light infantry
Marines
Bty light artillery?
The main thing is to keep the map in more or less proportion and balance the time of arrival of forces on either side.?
You could assign a points value to the troops you want to assault with.?
Defenders do the same.?
Count the points value of the remaining force divide by 2. subtract total From the initial force cost and this will be the cost of the battle.
The more troops you use the higher the cost.?
Best Regards
Mike Leese
(N. Wales)
On 26 Jul 2020, at 15:59, Angelo Dalessandro via groups.io <ang.dalessandro@...> wrote:
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Regards Mike Leese |
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Here is the response I got on Facebook from Robert Avery himself who wrote those two scenario books:
That's my bad, I'm afraid...or my good, dependent on how you look at it. When I first started writing the scenario books, I was well aware that people only have access to certain sized tables, so I never specified the size, just provided a non-specific-size map and suggested that people make their table look approx. like it. After all, most of the scenarios are pretty tolerant of that, and flexibility is a key tenet of Lard philosophy. After some pressure from consumers such as yourself, however, my later books all have the table sizes specified. So apologies, but assume they are all 6x5! |
开云体育The alternative where your table is too small is to look at measurement.?For a simple example.?
If you need a 9 x 6 table but space dictates a 6 x 4 cut all measurements by a third but remember the d6 die roll for distance needs to be cut by a third.?
Also smaller troops frontages need to be reduced otherwise the table becomes too crowded.?
Unless you have a 20x20 garage (internal space seems to have reduced)
I’ve settled for an 8x5 because battles just take too long.?
If necessary I have 1ft. Off cuts to increase the with and a 2ft addition for the length. ?Old kitchen cabinets make a good base.? Best Regards
Mike Leese
(N. Wales)
On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:01, Dan <dan.albrecht.vt@...> wrote:
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Regards Mike Leese |
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Thanks, Mike Leese.
Your idead?is great for "shrinking down". Tim Whitworth uses a standard of 9 x 6 so to "scale up" from a standard early IABSM 5x6 scenario, he essentially boosts all measurements by 50%, per his post on FB. Not a problem. On the large table we measure everything in Lards. One Lard is 1.5”. We make wooden range sticks of 18 Lards in length (27”) to assist us with measurement |
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