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Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.

Thank you

George Snoddy

----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions

George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out

to

the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.

Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO

or

CC/COPY lines.

When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever

you

have that is similar).

You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I

believe

many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.

I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to

the

whole list.

em

In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:

<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended

one

Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished

reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some

answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We

love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.

These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If

there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me

there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.


George Snoddy



Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>


It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,

it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such

oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.


Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the

teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest

persons

I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings

that I need to locate.


So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell

me

what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.




QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach

for

the thought that feels better."




It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are

generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some

times, that might not be the case.


For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that

smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may

as

well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to

give

up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are

those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for

the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not

lead

to better feelings over the long term.



Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't

want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be

near

him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.


I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he

doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am

around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change

his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing

me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person

to

share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices

might make a person feel better.


Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive

for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to

others.

Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily

make me feel better.


So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better

is

always the better thing to do.






QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to

be

angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him

from

his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of

behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways

just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.


It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be

lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World

Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing

so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make

sense to me.




QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,

(a)

demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to

please

her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse

behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a

possibility of something in between?


That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of

the

sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20

million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend

that only two options exist within the world.


We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things

work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no

agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving

or

that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we

would

say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these

agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please

us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.



Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not

done

just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done

for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-

evident.





QUESTION FOUR:


Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."

This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the

decision. But, what about relationships?


For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you

just

give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family

ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments

OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for

you

and your friends to eat before you starve to death?



If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy

requires

a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy

requires

relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your

significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when

she or he is away from their home or other family members?


At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a

relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy

and

happiness? Whose will manifest?


More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,

of

course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human

society must have some opinion on the subject.


It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are

very

important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help

me.

What did I miss?

Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.

Thank you

George Snoddy

----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions

George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out

to

the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.

Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO

or

CC/COPY lines.

When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever

you

have that is similar).

You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I

believe

many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.

I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to

the

whole list.

em

In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:

<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended

one

Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished

reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some

answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We

love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.

These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If

there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me

there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.


George Snoddy



Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>


It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,

it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such

oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.


Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the

teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest

persons

I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings

that I need to locate.


So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell

me

what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.




QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach

for

the thought that feels better."




It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are

generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some

times, that might not be the case.


For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that

smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may

as

well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to

give

up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are

those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for

the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not

lead

to better feelings over the long term.



Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't

want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be

near

him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.


I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he

doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am

around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change

his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing

me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person

to

share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices

might make a person feel better.


Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive

for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to

others.

Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily

make me feel better.


So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better

is

always the better thing to do.






QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to

be

angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him

from

his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of

behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways

just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.


It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be

lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World

Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing

so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make

sense to me.




QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,

(a)

demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to

please

her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse

behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a

possibility of something in between?


That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of

the

sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20

million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend

that only two options exist within the world.


We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things

work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no

agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving

or

that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we

would

say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these

agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please

us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.



Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not

done

just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done

for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-

evident.





QUESTION FOUR:


Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."

This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the

decision. But, what about relationships?


For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you

just

give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family

ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments

OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for

you

and your friends to eat before you starve to death?



If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy

requires

a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy

requires

relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your

significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when

she or he is away from their home or other family members?


At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a

relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy

and

happiness? Whose will manifest?


More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,

of

course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human

society must have some opinion on the subject.


It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are

very

important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help

me.

What did I miss?

Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.

Thank you

George Snoddy

----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions

George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out

to

the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.

Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO

or

CC/COPY lines.

When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever

you

have that is similar).

You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I

believe

many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.

I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to

the

whole list.

em

In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:

<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended

one

Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished

reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some

answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We

love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.

These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If

there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me

there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.


George Snoddy



Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>


It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,

it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such

oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.


Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the

teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest

persons

I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings

that I need to locate.


So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell

me

what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.




QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach

for

the thought that feels better."




It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are

generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some

times, that might not be the case.


For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that

smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may

as

well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to

give

up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are

those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for

the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not

lead

to better feelings over the long term.



Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't

want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be

near

him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.


I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he

doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am

around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change

his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing

me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person

to

share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices

might make a person feel better.


Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive

for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to

others.

Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily

make me feel better.


So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better

is

always the better thing to do.






QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to

be

angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him

from

his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of

behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways

just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.


It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be

lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World

Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing

so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make

sense to me.




QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,

(a)

demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to

please

her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse

behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a

possibility of something in between?


That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of

the

sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20

million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend

that only two options exist within the world.


We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things

work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no

agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving

or

that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we

would

say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these

agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please

us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.



Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not

done

just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done

for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-

evident.





QUESTION FOUR:


Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."

This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the

decision. But, what about relationships?


For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you

just

give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family

ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments

OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for

you

and your friends to eat before you starve to death?



If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy

requires

a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy

requires

relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your

significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when

she or he is away from their home or other family members?


At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a

relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy

and

happiness? Whose will manifest?


More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,

of

course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human

society must have some opinion on the subject.


It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are

very

important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help

me.

What did I miss?