Go and see "Bread and Tulips" if you can find it in a theater near you.
It's all about following your bliss. I walked out of the theater in a vibration of complete JOY.
PS: It's Italian with subtitles.
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
Welcome George and Flora! QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach
for the thought that feels better."
It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are
generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some
times, that might not be the case.
For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that
smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may
as well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to
give up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are
those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for
the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not
lead to better feelings over the long term.
If the thought feels better, then you are moving in the right direction. If it doesn't, then you're going the wrong way. Good feels good, and bad feels bad. That is your guidance system. Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't
want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be
near him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.
I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he
doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am
around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change
his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing
me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person
to share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices
might make a person feel better.
Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive
for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to
others. Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily
make me feel better.
So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better
is always the better thing to do.
You are creating, all the time. If it feels good, think those thoughts. Trust yourself to be guided by your emotions. QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to
be angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him
from his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of
behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways
just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.
It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be
lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World
Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing
so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make
sense to me.
Solomon is advising Sara to "not be angry", which is a bit different from lauding someone or awarding them medals. It means, don't push against, don't blame, don't fear. Jesus said something similar, "Resist not evil." Law of Attraction is always working. If you are fearing something or angry about something, you are drawing more things that feel like that to you. Ask and it is given. Also, death is not the big bad thing that society teaches us. It is an allowance of utter well-being. Everyone dies, and we each die in our own time and for our own reasons and intents. We each create our own death. As Abe says, "Every death is a suicide." QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,
(a) demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to
please her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse
behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a
possibility of something in between?
Yes, and that is what he is teaching. To allow all others to be just as they are, and to allow yourself to be just as you are. That means not demanding others to change, nor hiding away yourself. That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of
the sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20
million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend
that only two options exist within the world.
We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things
work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no
agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving
or that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we
would say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these
agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please
us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.
Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not
done just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done
for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-
evident.
Abe says that all rules and laws are created from a place of fear and disconnection. Fear of allowing people to be who they are. Most people inherently want to feel happy, to feel safe, because the basis of all life is love. If there were no traffic rules whatsover, people would still want to feel safe. Most people are pretty good at feeling happy and creating safety in their lives, and so most do not have accidents. But feelings of happiness cannot be mandated by law. And emotions are constantly in a state of flux, because focus of attention is always moving and changing. In any given moment there are always some who are more disconnected, who do have accidents. Without knowledge of Law of Attraction, it would seem that the way to stop people from having accidents is to control their behavior. With knowledge of Law of Attraction, there is the realization that behavior cannot be legislated against. The Universe is responding to vibration, to thought and feeling, and not to laws. QUESTION FOUR:
Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."
This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the
decision. But, what about relationships?
For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you
just give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family
ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments
OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for
you and your friends to eat before you starve to death?
Whatever feels best to you. This is not limited to what is going on in the present. It can include dreams, visions, meditations, day-dreams, imaginings, memories...anything that conjures the feelings that you want to have. You get to choose what you focus upon, and you get to choose how you want to feel. If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy
requires a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy
requires relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your
significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when
she or he is away from their home or other family members?
Both of you can be happy, if you can trust and allow the Universe to do its job. If you are both concentrating on the feelings of joy and togetherness, then you're feeling great and you're going the right way. But usually what happens is one looks at what the other one wants and pushes against (worries, sees lack, fears, etc) and uses it as their reason to disconnect. Then the other one does the same. And then both are feeling negative emotion which is their guidance telling them they are miscreating. At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a
relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy
and happiness? Whose will manifest?
Both can manifest, if both will allow it. More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,
of course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human
society must have some opinion on the subject.
"Ought to" implies that some are more worthy than others. We are each worthy of all our desires. Donna
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Re: Glorious Morning
HI Guys,
This morning Cordy and I went to our old playing ground, a huge field where
we used to play frisbee and chase kongs and each other. While we were gone
last year they built a housing development at our access point and then he
had his knee surgery and we just haven't gotten up there much, maybe once,
since we left. I didn't want to go to the woods today, it's gotten boring
so I got his toys together and we headed up there instead. I tossed
frisbees, which he caught, tossed his kong which he raced after and then
tossed a huge stick when it appeared in front of me. My neighbor is
currently blowing all of our leaves in to piles, what a sweet man. He raced
to the stick, grabbed it and promptly tossed himself on to his back to rub
it on the grass, while chewing on the stick. Cordy Bliss. I meandered over
to him to rub his tummy and it hit me how long it's been since I've given
him a tummy rub. He whimpered when he dropped the stick, so I laid down
next to him and put it back in to his mouth and then noticed some spots on
his tummy but he barked at me and let me know that this Was Not The Time to
poke at him. I was wired so tight that I almost pressed the issue but
instead plopped down next to him. Without conscious thought I dodged and
weaved his paws and the stick flying about as he maneuvered it in to place.
I laid down to watch the sky and what looked to me like an eagle, although
I've never seen one here in 20 odd years, floated over us, wings spread,
just coasting. Cordy scooted over on top of me to chew his stick, I rubbed
his fur and his ears and kissed a paw when it wacked me in the eye by
accident. I took hold of one end of the stick when he asked me to, made
growly noises with him as he decimated the stick in Great Hunter Style.
When a dog barked, we barked back at him and then rolled in the grass some
more since we'd show Him. A couple of squirrels came out of the trees and
we rolled over to crouch on our tummies and stare at them, no energy to
chase them, but Cordy gave them one big Woof to let them know that he could
if he wanted to. We rolled back on to our backs, I held one end of the
stick so he could keep in to his mouth and yellow butterfly came over to
play all over us. Both of us held very still and watched him with our eyes
until he landed a few feet from us and then we rolled over to watch it until
it flew away and Cordy romped after it. The light was very clear, every
blade of grass was standing out in perfect clarity, the grass and other bits
we'd mushed let out a wonderful perfume. The air was soft and warm, the
ground accomodating, soft yet steadfast. Birds were singing happily and I
haven't felt this relaxed in ages. Nothing matters very much to me right
now. I have to go to work but I really don't care. There's nothing that I
have to do, or any great issues that I have to solve, It's All Good.
Wags- Juls and Cordy-sometimes she just needs to be reminded what's
important and what isn't.
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Dear George, Questions from your post: But, are those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One
may reach for the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not lead to better feelings over the long term. >> ** Yes, thoughts that feel good lead to feeling better and better. I'm not saying that you will not change your mind as to what is joyful along the way but...if you are always choosing thoughts that make you feel better you will feel more and more joy. You will feel better and better. * Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might
momentarily make me feel better. >> You reach for the best thought that you can really believe - one that really make you feel better... A delusion won't really make you feel better. Stop judging your thoughts as to what "should be" thought. Feel your way through this process. With the boyfriend example.....how about I hurt now but there is something positive here and I will open to it! That might be the best you can do and that is a marvelous thought which will lead to wonderful things. Agree? ** <<Hitler should be lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make sense to me. > > Again, you are making numerous judgements here and releasing from those judgements would ease your mind a bit. Judgement #1 - physical life is better than nonphysical life. -Not true in my opinion. Judgement #2 - the people killed in both these incidents were "victims" and that is a bad thing. Victimhood is a stage of learning and we were all victims are some time in this life or another. So, victimhood is not bad. Also, there were some people who took part in both of those incidents because of their belief in karma or martyrdom or because they wanted to die in a dramatic way. I must allow people to die in whatever way they choose to and I believe all death, just like choosing to be born -is a choice that we make - whether we are conscious of that choice or not. We were given free will with no "buts" attached to that free will. This is a complex question and it would be easiest for you to begin understanding this matter by knowing that physical life isn't better than nonphysical life and so nothing horrible really happened. All is well in the Universe - even when people die. *** QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is
better, (a) demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to please her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a possibility of something in between?>> Yes, stop judging the world! Allow others to be who they are and where they are in their evolutionary process. You are not their creator - * Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention
to." This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the decision. But, what about relationships?>> The rule still applys - if you are really into your joy you will bring into your life joyful things and people and circumstances that will bring you joy. Concentration camps, problems with moving, etc. just won't happen to you. Create a joyful world for yourself. Do not try to change others. Let everyone do and be who they are and you will see how this works. You are spending time thinking about this rather than feeling your way though it. Switch gears. Say to yourself - I don't understand how this all works but I want to try it. Universe help me to think thoughts that feel better. Help me to remember to allow others to be just who they are and know that I will only see that which brings me joy. As You believe! Cary
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Hi guys, Towards the end this article says "calorie counting doesn't work" (which it does) and goes into a whole bit about how you have to get at the root of the psychology i.e. grief means 'holding weight" and how emotions are symbolized by the water element and blah blah blah. Well, bs. You do *not* have to get at the root of *why* you have the weight. You just have to decide whether you A. want to be thinner and be happy in that thinner body or B. want to stay as you are and be happy in your fatter body. And calorie counting *does* work as long as you don't go so low you mess your metabolism up like the woman she mentions. That analysis stuff keeps you fat IMO. It doesn't matter what your extra weight symbolizes. It keeps you focused on the why you are where you are instead of getting you to your goal. It's very simple, really. Another point: Yes, you can attract guys at any weight but is that really the only reason you want to be thin? I attracted guys when I weighed in the 130's but they were different guys--guys who mirrored my attitude at the time which was a more casual approach. They were very funny and tended to be *big* not in terms of weight but in terms of height and build. They were *tall* guys and *built* guys and *strong* guys. The type of guys who liked a little bit of meat. Very manly guys--not vain so much as manly. Extremely high self esteem. Pick me up? Easily. They probably could have thrown me across a football field if they felt like it. And since i had never dated that type before, it was all new to me and a lot of fun. It opened a whole new world I hadn't known about and gave me a whole new bunch of things to appreciate about guys. They were lots of fun and want some of those characteristics still mixed with the characteristics of the guys I date when thinner. And it's nice to know that they exist in case I ever decide to go back. :-) But what can I say? I wanted my tiny waist back more. :-) Careen --- In Abraham-Hicks@y..., "t" <tima5@e...> wrote: I found a nice article on weight loss etc...here .. (I hope it is okay to show this link)
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Blacktop
Anyway cant find the exact Abe quote, but essentially it was
something to the effect that, yes, there is a time lag, and, after
you have pre-paved the first time on a subject, you might find a few
bumps on the dirt road, but remember: you are 'pre' - 'paving'...the
point being that the next time and the next that you go back to pre-
pave on that subject, it will become smoother and smoother, because
you have already PRE-paved, and so the road gets smoother and
smoother and before you know it, you are riding on some pretty fine
blacktop. Yes, this is really true. Most people I know who have lived in San Francisco for a while and who are old hands at visualizing parking spots don't even need to do the actual visualizing anymore. We just *know* that we will find parking. And so we always do. When I first started doing it, back in 1987 when I first moved here, I used to have to picture it in my mind. Now I find that if I do give it that extra oomph of 17 seconds of visualization and/or affirmation, I not only get a parking place within half a block of my destination, but I'll get other goodies: 2 or 3 parking places opening up at the same time right next to each other, and/or broken parking meters that don't take any money. Don'tcha just love it?
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] how to respond to others
You may also find that when you have a great, fun response, that people
either stop asking you, or stop asking you with that down-trodden tone in
their voice. Instead they will ask from a place of excitement. This is very true. I heard Abe say on one of the tapes, (paraphrase) When your friends ask you, "Do you have the new car you've been wanting?", we want you to say, (joyously, excitedly, almost giggling) "NO!!!"
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[Abraham-Hicks] Re: I'm confused/Prepaving vs. Time Lag
I see prepaving NOT as the ability it instantly manifest, but as a
way to build a belief. Good point! I'm really glad you illuminated that because it is very important. It's like we are molding and shaping the sculpture that is our life in realtime. And the little things you focus on during the day really do impact the larger whole in amazing ways. Start listening to the people around you. It's quite amazing to
discover that they really are living their beliefs. THEN START
LISTENING TO WHAT YOU SAY EVERYDAY. Those innocent little comments
you make are YOUR beliefs. You can prepave in any direction. As
always, the choice is yours.
Smiles,
Marylou Here are some of my beliefs that I LIKE A LOT: "I never get sick." Whenever people worry about catching colds or go to get flu shots, I just laugh (to myself, of course). I no longer take vitamins or go to the chiropractor. I eat WHATEVER I want. And I'm healthier than ever. "I am immune to tickets." I said those exact words out loud before I left North Carolina -- and then, on my way driving cross country, I got stopped late at night by a cop in West Virginia. I couldn't believe it! I was like, "Wait a minute! This can't be happening!" Then I realized that I never say "I'm immune to getting stopped by cops." I just say, "I'm immune to tickets." So I relaxed, knowing that the Universe COULD NOT give me a ticket. It was simply IMPOSSIBLE. So the cop asked me why I was going so fast and I just said, "Gee, I guess I'm just really tired." He looked at me sympathetically, told me to stop for the night at the next exit, and sent me on my way. NO TICKET! "I always get a parking place right in front." Ah, I love this one, especially living in San Francisco. It always works, unless someone else is in the car and is nervously worrying about how we will ever find a space. Guess I need to clean up my vibration on that.
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] how to respond to others
Diana,
I would thank your friends for asking about your love life and
then go into a wonderful story of how you are creating the next love
story in your life by dreaming of it and thinking of it and talking to
others of it. I would talk and talk about the qualities I want in the
relationship and where I want to go and what level of commitment. I
would take my friends questions and recognize them as the Universe's way
of getting me to focus on what I want! Wonderful opportunity!
As You Believe,
Cary
On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:18:34 -0500 "Diana Gentrup"
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hey group,
I have a question about how to respond to others when they ask me
about my
love life. There isn't a love life right now and I would like there
to be, I
find that I can get a joyous vibration about what I want the next
relationship to be like but when people ask me if I'm dating or how
the love
life is, the vibration drops and I think about the recent "almosts"
and
focus on why the last one had to end (it was good...they get better
each
time but there i wasn't getting all I deserve from it).
So anyway, after people ask (and friends seem to be interested in my
life),
I feel the belief drop and the cork go under the water.
Does anyone have a good response that I can give so that I don't
drop the
vibration and discuss the lack in my life? I appreciate their
interest but,
it gets old talking about it. Of course, it just hit me that my
focus on it
then draws the attraction of people asking me and the cycle
continues....Stop the Insanity!!
Suggestions???
Diana
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Re: Food and weight and figuring it all out.
Juls, What do you do with 2 beliefs? You honor them both. Both are true - if you believe them. Do whatever makes you feel good - concerning the food and exercise belief and also picture yourself free of the belief and releasing the extra weight in a manner that is very miraculous to you. Honor both believes - they are both true. Example: Jesus started with some loaves and fishes... then the miracle occurred. In my opinion old beliefs always bridge to the new belief if we choose to live in joy instead of chaos. And releasing old beliefs comes effortlessly if you let the releasing come in it's own time and honor the belief every step of the way. Part of you wants to make the effort physically and that is good because you are honoring your physicalness in that effort. Part of you wants to be a metaphysician and just get on with it. That's good also. The trick is to be both because this is a physical, metaphysical and mystical world! As you Believe, Cary On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:40:24 -0500 "Julia Pierce" <laughingpaws@...> writes: HI Careen,
I agree with your friend, it's just that it they both came together
and it
threw me for a loop. And I understand what you're saying and I'm
probably
thinking about all of this too much, a couple of steps forward and
then back
a step kind of thing. BUT, since most people Believe that food and
excercise equal body weight and health, then the whole dieting,
excercising
thing works for them. It's in line with their beliefs as it was
with mine
before I got in to Abe and some others and discovered that that
wasn't true,
which makes sense intellectually, and so now that a part of me
believes that
what I eat and how much I excercise doesn't have anything to do with
it,
what the HECK am I suppossed to do now? I mean part of me believes
that
food and excercise make the difference and part of me doesn't and it
seems
like the two cancel each other out and I stay right where I am.
It's
pissing me off, basically. So, I need help to tip the scale in the
direction I'm going and that's where I need some help.
Does that make any kind of sense at all?
Sorry, just got off a 14 hour bar shift and can't really remember
how to
spell my own name, so let me know if I'm not making any sense.
Wags- Juls and Cordy
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Juls jumpin'!
In a message dated Mon, 19 Nov 2001 1:50:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Julia Pierce" <laughingpaws@...> writes: OK,
So Olivia I'm jumping in here for my own purposes for a moment.
Why do I want to be thin?
I want to be thin so that I can love the way I look in the mirror.
So I can feel comfortable being naked in front of my mate and make wild, passionate, unihibited love, toss my head back, flex my back straight up off the bed, wear wonderful little teddies and Know that I look sexy and beautiful without a doubt in the world.
So I can feel comfortable attracting a sexy and gorgeous mate to have wild,passionate, uninhibited love with.
SO I can buy and wear glorious, stylish clothes, look great in an evening gown or just sexy in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. Juls, up to this point I am seeing you feeling good, attractive as you speak these reasons. Powerfully pure declarations. After, your declarations start to change, and not want comes into them: worry, guilt, etc. Can you (if you would want to) re-state those below to make them pure statements of what you want? So I never have to worry every again about what people may be thinking about
my body, like nice girl but she could lose some weight. Or Pretty face, if
she lost some weight, she'd be gorgeous.
So I can breathe comfortably all day while wearing clothes that fit
properly.
So I don't feel like I'm breaking some universal law when I eat desserts.
So I can plain eat without guilt.
So I can feel comfortable allowing my true essence shine thru without
censoring my words and actions to make sure that they don't sound like Fat
girl things.
So I can feel comfortable flirting and not worry about sounding desperate
like a fat girl.
So that I don't have to think about food every again.
So I can pursue my dreams and succeed on my own merit instead of wondering
if it would be different if I was thin and going for the same things.
So the image I see in the mirror is the same that I see in my head or even
better.
So that I can wear a little baby doll crop top and have a belly ring on a
flat tummy, tank tops with spaghetti straps and shorts that come down just
below my bum, cut offs, oh yeah, cut offs that show off my glorious legs and
skirts with side slits in them.
So I can buy clothes in regards to style instead of how much they cover up
and if I have to hold my tummy in constantly to make the lines hang right or
so I can breathe comfortably.
So I never again in this life time have to wear a tummy tucker or control
top pantyhose.
So that for once I can be wanted not just for my mind, but also for my body.
So that when I'm out with a man and his eyes follow a woman walking by, I
will know that it's just out of curosity and not because she's better to
look at than I am.
TO wear bikini underwear or a thong and look Good in them.
To wear a bikini
To look good in lycra.
So that I can wear a clingy dress and not a bulge anywhere to be seen
So that when I do get pregant with our first child, I have to actually buy
materinity clothes.
So I can see my collar bones and have that little hollow at the base of my
neck, visible cheek bones, vertebrate and those wonderful little hollows at
the top of my thighs and can feel my hip bones.
So I can wear my mates shirts and have them be big on me.
So he can sweep me up in his arms and carry me to bed, easily.
So that someone can call me 'a little slip of a thing'
So I can tie my robe and look good in it at the same time.
Why?
Because I've never had it and that's reason enough.
I MUST get some sleep now.
Wags- Juls and Cordy-you are SO making WAY too much out of this, ya know.
Says dog boy whose ribs show thru.
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Re: I'm confused/Prepaving vs. Time Lag
Nicely spoken, Mary Lou. I, too, see prepaving as a way of building a resevoir of thought, with alot of power, accumulated over time and practice (aka "belief"), that can literally pre-pave a situation. An example: Many years ago, as I drove mostly country roads, I prayed to the Grandfathers (the spirit guardians of the animals of the earth) to keep the critters out of my pathway, so that both they and I would stay whole and safe. I told them I would love to see the critters safe in the fields on the side of the roads, but not IN the road. After many, many times of saying that prayer, eventually, when I would find myself in one of those places on the road where critters might be likely to cross, I would say: "Grandfathers, my usual, please." as if ordering a beer at Cheers. I have never struck and killed an animal on the road, and know I never will. AND, I also add to the prayer that I will drive responsibly and look out for the critters as well -- this never replaces my responsibility for participating in the creation. I have also pre-paved in unhappy ways, with such prayers as: I never have enough; I can't have what I want, etc., ad nauseam. I am working on re-paving those. em In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 8:54:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, bookcraver@... writes: Olivia,
Here's my two cents on pre-paving...
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I see prepaving NOT as the ability it instantly manifest, but as a
way to build a belief.
There are those who say thing like..."I never get sick", "I am always
on time", "I never gain weight", "Traffic just isn't a problem for
me. I just always seem to luck out," "I work with the best people!"
Or those who say..."I just can't seem to lose weight, no matter
what", "I always get in the wrong grocery store line", "Nothing ever
goes my way", "Why do I always have to work with idiots?"
Start listening to the people around you. It's quite amazing to
discover that they really are living their beliefs. THEN START
LISTENING TO WHAT YOU SAY EVERYDAY. Those innocent little comments
you make are YOUR beliefs. You can prepave in any direction. As
always, the choice is yours.
Smiles,
Marylou
--- In Abraham-Hicks@y..., "Olivia Volmary" <ovolmary@h...> wrote:
Here is something that I am a little confused on. How can "pre- paving" work
(for ex: before you get on the expressway to go to work, you prepave for a
safe, jam-free commute. Or, you pre-pave for a peaceful harmonious conflict
free day at the office)
BUT Abe says that manifestation is not instant and that there is ALWAYS a
time lag; so how can pre paving work?
I've always had a wierd feeling about "prepaving" and "how can it really
work" b/c , there's no time lag there. Because - What you are prepaving
for is going to be in the very next segment of your day.
Can anyone clarify for me or tell me if Abe has talked about this?
thank you!!
Olivia
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] how to respond to others
I lie and tell them I have a lover....but its too early to talk about it or
I say I don't want to jinx it because it is soooooooo good!!! I remember I
did this a couple months ago...my best friend (who knows everything about
me) called me on the phone as usual to pass by...on a Saturday night...I was
so tired of the same thing all the time (at the time there was absolutely NO
ONE in my life....) SO I said...oh sorry...I have a hot date...some guy I
met through work....he went, hmm what?...Yes, I said...got a date and made
my voice all giddy like I do when I have a date and quickly told him I had
to get dressed...Told him I would tell him about it next week...Well, funny
it worked...next weekend I did meet someone (nothing serious but definately
a step in the right direction) broke a long dry spell....I didn't really
think of it as "lying" per se...I thought this would be a great way to
confirm a near future event I was awaiting...It seems to work...
Just don't tell a soul you made it up...
Lots of love,
Tima
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----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Gentrup <dianagentrup@...> To: <abraham-hicks@...> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:18 AM Subject: [Abraham-Hicks] how to respond to others
hey group,
I have a question about how to respond to others when they ask me about my
love life. There isn't a love life right now and I would like there to be,
I find that I can get a joyous vibration about what I want the next
relationship to be like but when people ask me if I'm dating or how the love life is, the vibration drops and I think about the recent "almosts" and
focus on why the last one had to end (it was good...they get better each
time but there i wasn't getting all I deserve from it).
So anyway, after people ask (and friends seem to be interested in my life), I feel the belief drop and the cork go under the water.
Does anyone have a good response that I can give so that I don't drop the
vibration and discuss the lack in my life? I appreciate their interest but, it gets old talking about it. Of course, it just hit me that my focus on it then draws the attraction of people asking me and the cycle
continues....Stop the Insanity!!
Suggestions???
Diana
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Re: [Abraham-Hicks] Re: Changing the past
Jacqui, I think one might want to change the past if it has a "drag" on them now. Carloyn Myss, in one of her tapes (audio or video), tells how she did that to change her perspective on something that was plaguing her in the present day.
It sounds like you have no need to, or have already done so. Never mind... em
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In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 10:54:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, protea@... writes: Dear Group,
What an interesting concept, changing your views about the past. Why
would you want to do that?
I had a far from pleasant childhood, a brutal one most of the
time.This was one of the reasons I got post traumatic stress disorder.
Now I had no intention of remaining a victim and so started to view
the past in a diffirent light. Instead of lamenting about poor little
me and remaining a victim I started thanking the past. I thanked it
for turning me into an individual capable of taking care of myself.
For teaching me will power and self-assertiveness. I thanked it for
allowing me to experience lovenessless which made me appreciate love
far more when it came to me.
Once I started this I saw the part played by my parents and those
that hurt me so dreadfully in another way. No I did not learn to love
them, but I did no longer look at them with hate either. They were
where they had to play a part in my early developement. I know one
thing for certain, if my childhood was anything else, I could never
have done the things I did afterwards. I am also sure that excepting
the past and understanding it, have done more for my recovery than
anything else.I had these experiences, I learnt what they came to
teach and I have let them go.The past doesn't exist and neither does
the future, all we have is now, let's rejoice in that.
Namaste......Jacqui
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[Abraham-Hicks] Effortless Attracting
Juls, your story of near-instant manifestation reminds me of how effortlessly we create when we are truly focused. As it seems to me you were in
"the whole story". I could relate my own stories of how effortlessly I do that around dollars, specifically the non enoughness of them. Because I am really trying (efforting) to avoid reinforcing those all too familiar thought patterns, I won't present the story board here.
Last night, my wife and I sat down at the computer (Quicken) to look at the financial picture. (Metaphors for that picture vie with one another to be exploited, but I shan't give them any press.) Cut to chase: after the session I felt BAD, and she asked me what we could do that would help me feel better, if not (miraculously) good. I said "Let's play the Money Game." (If someone doesn't know what that is, ask and many of us can explain it -- it's a very good exercise for uplifting the spirit and expanding one's attitude around money). So we did, we had great fun, and shortly I was feeling much better. We then proceeded to spend a nice evening together, as I had much shifted my mood.
It's the thought that counts. And the feeling lets you know what the thought it. So, pay attention to the feeling. If you can't change the thought, go do something that will change the feeling. Until to can face the situation with another thought, ie "Think again!" em
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In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 12:39:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Julia Pierce" <laughingpaws@...> writes: (snipped the first part)
Ok, so the whole story. Yesterday when I went to work I was feeling
GREAT!!! I was looking good, my eyes were shining I was in a Fantastic
Mood, I could have moved mountains with a flick of a pinkie if I'd wanted
to. The first people at the bar were a couple of guys. Seemed nice enough
and one of them told his friend that this was the Appetizer pregancy, his
wife hadn't eaten a full meal since she'd conceived. Instead of going to a
restaurant for their food, they just went to the places that had the best
finger food. I laughed, it was cute. A few minutes later I over heard him
saying, "Yeah I'm hitting the strip club tonight, when she gets fat like
this she just doesn't do it for me, ya know?" I was repulsed on So many
levels and it was all I could do to not accidently push a full drink in to
his lap.
A little while later, after they had left and I'd regained my good mood by
playing with some new people I went to get some more beer out of the beer
frig and slipped and fell. My favorite manager saw me, offered his hand and
said, Well you have enough padding that you couldn't have actually hurt
yourself. And he's NEVER said ANYTHING like this to me before. It hit me
between the eyes to be honest. And throughout the night there were other
really off the wall comments, but those were the major two.
I don't get it and I need help with understanding what I've done with this
subject. I mean I just don't want to eat Anything now. I've gotten
something mixed up along the way and want to straight it out, that's all.
Anyway, thanks for the help
Wags- JUls and Cordy
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Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you apparently did it again -- replied to me only. I will add the Abraham list address to this email, so that you will be able to click "Reply to All" to send it out to the whole list. You ask great questions here, and I want you to get the benefit of everyone's unique genius in response.
Everybody, it is my great pleasure to introduce George to y'all. He is having a bit of trouble getting his questions to the whole list. I'm trying to assist him. I hope this does it.
Gom George... em
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In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 9:23:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, "George Snoddy" <george444@...> writes: Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.
Thank you
George Snoddy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out to
the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.
Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO or
CC/COPY lines.
When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever you
have that is similar).
You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I believe
many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.
I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to the
whole list.
em
In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:
<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended one
Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished
reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some
answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We
love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.
These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If
there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me
there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.
George Snoddy
Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>
It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,
it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such
oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.
Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the
teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest
persons
I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings
that I need to locate.
So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell
me
what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.
QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach
for
the thought that feels better."
It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are
generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some
times, that might not be the case.
For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that
smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may
as
well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to
give
up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are
those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for
the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not
lead
to better feelings over the long term.
Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't
want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be
near
him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.
I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he
doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am
around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change
his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing
me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person
to
share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices
might make a person feel better.
Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive
for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to
others.
Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily
make me feel better.
So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better
is
always the better thing to do.
QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to
be
angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him
from
his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of
behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways
just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.
It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be
lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World
Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing
so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make
sense to me.
QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,
(a)
demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to
please
her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse
behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a
possibility of something in between?
That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of
the
sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20
million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend
that only two options exist within the world.
We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things
work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no
agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving
or
that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we
would
say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these
agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please
us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.
Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not
done
just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done
for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-
evident.
QUESTION FOUR:
Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."
This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the
decision. But, what about relationships?
For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you
just
give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family
ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments
OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for
you
and your friends to eat before you starve to death?
If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy
requires
a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy
requires
relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your
significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when
she or he is away from their home or other family members?
At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a
relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy
and
happiness? Whose will manifest?
More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,
of
course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human
society must have some opinion on the subject.
It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are
very
important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help
me.
What did I miss?
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Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you apparently did it again -- replied to me only. I will add the Abraham list address to this email, so that you will be able to click "Reply to All" to send it out to the whole list. You ask great questions here, and I want you to get the benefit of everyone's unique genius in response.
Everybody, it is my great pleasure to introduce George to y'all. He is having a bit of trouble getting his questions to the whole list. I'm trying to assist him. I hope this does it.
Gom George... em
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In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 9:23:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, "George Snoddy" <george444@...> writes: Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.
Thank you
George Snoddy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out to
the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.
Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO or
CC/COPY lines.
When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever you
have that is similar).
You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I believe
many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.
I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to the
whole list.
em
In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:
<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended one
Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished
reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some
answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We
love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.
These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If
there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me
there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.
George Snoddy
Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>
It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,
it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such
oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.
Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the
teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest
persons
I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings
that I need to locate.
So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell
me
what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.
QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach
for
the thought that feels better."
It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are
generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some
times, that might not be the case.
For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that
smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may
as
well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to
give
up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are
those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for
the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not
lead
to better feelings over the long term.
Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't
want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be
near
him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.
I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he
doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am
around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change
his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing
me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person
to
share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices
might make a person feel better.
Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive
for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to
others.
Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily
make me feel better.
So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better
is
always the better thing to do.
QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to
be
angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him
from
his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of
behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways
just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.
It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be
lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World
Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing
so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make
sense to me.
QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,
(a)
demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to
please
her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse
behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a
possibility of something in between?
That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of
the
sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20
million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend
that only two options exist within the world.
We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things
work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no
agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving
or
that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we
would
say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these
agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please
us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.
Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not
done
just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done
for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-
evident.
QUESTION FOUR:
Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."
This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the
decision. But, what about relationships?
For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you
just
give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family
ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments
OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for
you
and your friends to eat before you starve to death?
If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy
requires
a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy
requires
relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your
significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when
she or he is away from their home or other family members?
At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a
relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy
and
happiness? Whose will manifest?
More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,
of
course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human
society must have some opinion on the subject.
It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are
very
important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help
me.
What did I miss?
|
Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you apparently did it again -- replied to me only. I will add the Abraham list address to this email, so that you will be able to click "Reply to All" to send it out to the whole list. You ask great questions here, and I want you to get the benefit of everyone's unique genius in response.
Everybody, it is my great pleasure to introduce George to y'all. He is having a bit of trouble getting his questions to the whole list. I'm trying to assist him. I hope this does it.
Gom George... em
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In a message dated Sun, 18 Nov 2001 9:23:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, "George Snoddy" <george444@...> writes: Thank you em for pointing out to me that I needed to "reply to all" which I
did on this reply so hopefully some people will offer answers to our
questions.
Thank you
George Snoddy
----- Original Message -----
From: <Eaglemere@...>
To: <george444@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: New to Abraham need help with questions
George, you sent this to me ONLY, when I think you intended it to go out to
the whole list. I am returning it to you so you can do that.
Make sure this Abraham- Hicks@... is in either the TO or
CC/COPY lines.
When you reply to a posting make sure you click REPLY TO ALL (or whatever you
have that is similar).
You ask some very good questions and you intentions seem sincere. I believe
many on the list would love to repond to you. If you have any problems
getting this out to the whole list, let me know.
I will respond to at least one of your questions once you get it our to the
whole list.
em
In a message dated 11/17/01 8:52:01 PM, george444@... writes:
<< I am new to the Abraham teachings and so is my wife. We have attended one
Abraham meeting so far here in Fayetteville, Ar. My wife just finished
reading Sara and has the following questions. I would like to have some
answers to these questions as well. I think they are valid questions. We
love the Abraham teachings of "feel good" but wonder about the following.
These are probably basic questions that have been answered many times. If
there is a frequently asked question website somewhere, please direct me
there or make comments as you can. Thank you for your attention.
George Snoddy
Dear Gentle Persons, (My wife Flora's questions)>
It has been my experience that when a person is learning about a teaching,
it is all too easy to oversimplify what is being taught. Such
oversimplification can lead to a lot of confusing conclusions.
Because the people I have met who are interested in and advocates of the
teachings of Abraham are seemingly among the happiest and brightest
persons
I've encountered, I assume that I am missing some pieces of the teachings
that I need to locate.
So far, I've listened to the set of tapes and read "Sara." Please tell
me
what pieces I'm missing that lead me to the following questions.
QUESTION ONE: One of the basic teachings of Abraham seems to be, "Reach
for
the thought that feels better."
It seems to me that by reaching for the thought that feels better, we are
generally going to come to a better thought and reality. However, some
times, that might not be the case.
For example, if I say, "I love to smoke; doctors are probably wrong that
smoking leads to illness; and even if it does, life is eternal, so I may
as
well smoke." These are thoughts that may feel better than, "I need to
give
up the habit of smoking because it is not good for my health." But, are
those the thoughts to reach for that will lead to joy? One may reach for
the thought that feels better at the moment, in the now, but it may not
lead
to better feelings over the long term.
Or, let's say my boy friend whom I love deeply has just told me he doesn't
want to see me any more. Let's say I've relocated to a new city to be
near
him, given up my job, and don't know any one in the new city.
I might say, (a) "My boy friend doesn't really mean it when he says he
doesn't want to see me any more;" or (b) "I will feel better when I am
around someone who wants to be with me;" or (c) "My boy friend may change
his mind later regarding our relationship;" or (d) "My boy friend is doing
me a favor by telling me the truth so I can now be free to find a person
to
share my time with who wants to be with me." All four of these choices
might make a person feel better.
Clearly, (b) or (d) would be the thoughts most of us would wish to strive
for; however, (a) may feel better to some and (c) may feel better to
others.
Yet, both (a) and (c) may be a delusion even though they might momentarily
make me feel better.
So, it is not clear to me how reaching for the thought that feels better
is
always the better thing to do.
QUESTION TWO: In the book, "Sara" the owl, Solomon cautions Sara not to
be
angry at her brothers for killing him because all they did was free him
from
his physical form. Solomon also says that due to the diversity of
behaviors, it doesn't make sense to demand that others change their ways
just to satisfy our sense of what is right or wrong.
It seems to me that by following this line of reasoning, Hitler should be
lauded for freeing so many people from their physical form and the World
Trade Center terrorists should be awarded the medal of freedom for freeing
so many people at one time from their physical form. This does not make
sense to me.
QUESTION THREE: In the book "Sara" Solomon asks Sara which is better,
(a)
demanding that all the people in the world change their ways just to
please
her or (b) hiding herself away thus preventing her pain at seeing diverse
behavior, in effect, being a prisoner in the world. Isn't there a
possibility of something in between?
That is, it seems to me that this forced choice is a logical fallacy of
the
sort where you take two extremes and then cut out all compromise, all 20
million possibilities that exist between the polar opposites, and pretend
that only two options exist within the world.
We, as humans, live in groups. If we had no agreements as to how things
work in the world, it would be a very different place. If we had no
agreements that, in general, we should stop for a red light while driving
or
that we should not give human babies poison in their milk, I think we
would
say that the world had taken a step backward. We do not wish these
agreements to be observed just to force the world to change just to please
us, but rather for the purpose of bringing out a more "humane" world.
Demanding that there be some agreements or standards of conduct is not
done
just for the sake of getting the world to please an individual, it is done
for the sake of making all our lives better and easier. This seems self-
evident.
QUESTION FOUR:
Solomon says, "Your joy depends upon what YOU give your attention to."
This notion may work always when only one person is involved with the
decision. But, what about relationships?
For example, let's say you are in a Nazi concentration camp, would you
just
give your attention to the benefits of losing weight, being free of family
ties, and the help you are giving to society by way of medical experiments
OR would you try to put your focus on escaping or getting more food for
you
and your friends to eat before you starve to death?
If you are in a relationship with a significant other and their joy
requires
a particular action, for example relocating to Tulsa, but your joy
requires
relocating to New York City, what do you do? Can you be happy when your
significant other is not happy in his or her professional capacity or when
she or he is away from their home or other family members?
At point, whose joy and whose attention will manifest? Suppose a
relationship or a culture hold opposing positions as to what creates joy
and
happiness? Whose will manifest?
More importantly, whose ought to manifest? The answer to this question,
of
course, may presuppose we can know the "Good" and so on, but surely human
society must have some opinion on the subject.
It is my intent to ask meaningful questions because the teachings are
very
important to me. I do not wish to offend. I seek answers. Please help
me.
What did I miss?
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