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Re: Making a Q-meter /


 

Bootstrapping would certainly boost the shunt resistance at very low frequencies, but there's an inherent grid-cathode conductance that grows quadratically with increasing frequency to spoil the fun fairly soon. At even low "rf" that conductance will greatly exceed 1/100megohms, so I am pessimistic that bootstrapping will buy much at frequencies of relevance for most uses. I'm used to seeing unbootstrapped numbers like 10s of kilohms at 10s of MHz for tubes that are probably not grossly different from the 535. So, I would guess that the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty hard a bit above the audio band. A bit beyond that and bootstrapping is not going to help materially. And that assumes no additional conductance arising from ordinary leakage due to grunge, humid ambient, etc.

It's certainly worth a try, though, since the mod is quite easy (and easy to reverse).

Cheers
Tom

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On 9/23/2022 14:02, John Kolb wrote:

I wonder if the 260 voltmeter circuit could be bootstrapped by lifting the 100M resistor from ground, adding another resistor to ground, and adding a cap from the junction to the636A cathode?

John? KK6IL

On 9/23/2022 5:49 AM, Mikek wrote:

The Boonton 260A manual? has a section on 'Sources of Error' starting on Page 12.
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??I'm surprised that the the tube loading is 90M¦¸ at 50kHz but goes down from there until it is only 60k¦¸ at 50MHz.
?? I'm sure with modern electronic components and bootstraping, there is a much better circuit than the 535A tube voltmeter used in the 260A.
??Looking at the 4342A manual they say that the correction factor at 1MHz using the 513A Q standard is 1.04, that tells me that even their voltmeter input resistance is 9,300,000¦¸
??This is back to about the same 14% error measuring a 1400Q coil at 800kHz, i mentioned before.
?? Feel free to check my math and logic, my 513A Q standard is 253uh, indicated Q of 235 @1MHz. (effective Q of 251 with 7.9pf distributed capacitance)
??I'm here to learn, I've had a thing for Q and Q measuring for over 30 years, it fascinates me.

???????????????????????????????????? Thank, Mikek


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