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So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams, grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay



I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay


foldouts/202225020981?hash=item2f158cf035:g:IdcAAOSwklhaf5F6

So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams, grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay



I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

Hi SnapDiode,

You definitely hit a nerve. 17 years ago I began keeping lists of various Tek products I had so I didn't buy something I already owned. That was how my list of TM500/TM5000 plugins got started. It quickly expanded to include unusual, rare, one of a kind, other manufacturers, or odd ball TM500/TM5000 plugins that I saw anywhere. The list grew to a point that David DiGiacomo contacted me and offered to host a copy (Thank you David!) on his web site: www.davmar.com
Other web sites found the list useful and copied it verbatim which was fine with me since my name was plainly visible at the top so it was clear I was the author.

Then one day years ago I discovered there was an EXACT copy of my list with someone else's name at the top. This P#$*@K was taking credit for my work. He is somewhere in England. I tried contacting him at his email address which was also there in the list he purloined but of course he never replied.

Even now as I write this it makes my blood boil that someone would do this. After that it took years for me to trust someone again with other lists of Tek equipment I was maintaining. That is the damage that can come from theft of intellectual property such as your 1S1 manual and my list. Kurt Rosenfeld, the creator of TekWiki, finally restored my trust because he is doing something so important and so professional that he deserves all of our support. I have given him other lists of Tek plugins, application notes, etc. that I have accumulated. But I have still more that I am conflicted about sharing.

I have some extremely rare 7000 manuals that were very expensive and, as far as I know, they are the only ones in existence. If I make them available for scanning how do I get my investment back? Part of me sees this as selfish, but my wife works hard to support us and she wants to know when my passion for Tektronix is going to stop costing her money and contribute to our financial obligations. Every time I go to a swap meet I have to consistently come back with more money than I brought with me. So far that hasn't happened. My wife needs me to do much more than that if I am to carry my share of our living expenses.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of snapdiode via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Your opinion on using other people's work

So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams, grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay



I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

Hi SnapDiode,

You definitely hit a nerve. 17 years ago I began keeping lists of various Tek products I had so I didn't buy something I already owned. That was how my list of TM500/TM5000 plugins got started. It quickly expanded to include unusual, rare, one of a kind, other manufacturers, or odd ball TM500/TM5000 plugins that I saw anywhere. The list grew to a point that David DiGiacomo contacted me and offered to host a copy (Thank you David!) on his web site: www.davmar.com

Other web sites found the list useful and copied it verbatim which was fine with me since my name was plainly visible at the top so it was clear I was the author.

Then one day years ago I discovered there was an EXACT copy of my list with someone else's name at the top. This P#$*@K was taking credit for my work. He is somewhere in England. I tried contacting him at his email address which was also there in the list he purloined but of course he never replied.

Even now as I write this it makes my blood boil that someone would do this. After that it took years for me to trust someone again with other lists of Tek equipment I was maintaining. That is the damage that can come from theft of intellectual property such as your 1S1 manual and my list. Kurt Rosenfeld, the creator of TekWiki, finally restored my trust because he is doing something so important and so professional that he deserves all of our support. I have given him other lists of Tek plugins, application notes, etc. that I have accumulated. But I have still more that I am conflicted about sharing.

I have some extremely rare 7000 manuals that were very expensive and, as far as I know, they are the only ones in existence. If I make them available for scanning how do I get my investment back? Part of me sees this as selfish, but my wife works hard to support us and she wants to know when my passion for Tektronix is going to stop costing her money and contribute to our financial obligations. Every time I go to a swap meet I have to consistently come back with more money than I brought with me. So far that hasn't happened. My wife needs me to do much more than that if I am to carry my share of our living expenses.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of snapdiode via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Your opinion on using other people's work

So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams, grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay



I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

I have refrained from contributing to this thread because I have been
afraid of going overboard.

There have been a lot of good point made (like you need me to tell you
that!).

Once you put something out on the internet that is freely downloadable,
people will download it. If they can make money somehow by using it, some
will do so. Whether or not there is anything the person who uploaded the
resource can do about that is unclear tome, but ti seems probable that in
pretty much all cases it is not worth the money that would have to be spent
to do so.

I did want to point out, though, wrt to Dennis' concerns about posting
rare documents, that Adobe DOES have a facility for limiting access to PDF
files by password. If one wished to distribute and control access to a PDF,
one can distribute the document and supply the password to those who are to
be granted access to the document.

Yes, there is the danger of the password eventually getting out into the
public domain, and I don't have a good answer for how to protect against
that. And, yes, it is possible that someone who has been granted access may
pass the document along with the password to others, and I don't know how
to get around that either.

DaveD

On 4/3/2018 11:19 AM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:

Hi SnapDiode,

You definitely hit a nerve. 17 years ago I began keeping lists of various
Tek products I had so I didn't buy something I already owned. That was how
my list of TM500/TM5000 plugins got started. It quickly expanded to include
unusual, rare, one of a kind, other manufacturers, or odd ball TM500/TM5000
plugins that I saw anywhere. The list grew to a point that David DiGiacomo
contacted me and offered to host a copy (Thank you David!) on his web site:
www.davmar.com
Other web sites found the list useful and copied it verbatim which was
fine with me since my name was plainly visible at the top so it was clear I
was the author.

Then one day years ago I discovered there was an EXACT copy of my list
with someone else's name at the top. This P#$*@K was taking credit for my
work. He is somewhere in England. I tried contacting him at his email
address which was also there in the list he purloined but of course he
never replied.

Even now as I write this it makes my blood boil that someone would do
this. After that it took years for me to trust someone again with other
lists of Tek equipment I was maintaining. That is the damage that can come
from theft of intellectual property such as your 1S1 manual and my list.
Kurt Rosenfeld, the creator of TekWiki, finally restored my trust because
he is doing something so important and so professional that he deserves all
of our support. I have given him other lists of Tek plugins, application
notes, etc. that I have accumulated. But I have still more that I am
conflicted about sharing.

I have some extremely rare 7000 manuals that were very expensive and, as
far as I know, they are the only ones in existence. If I make them
available for scanning how do I get my investment back? Part of me sees
this as selfish, but my wife works hard to support us and she wants to know
when my passion for Tektronix is going to stop costing her money and
contribute to our financial obligations. Every time I go to a swap meet I
have to consistently come back with more money than I brought with me. So
far that hasn't happened. My wife needs me to do much more than that if I
am to carry my share of our living expenses.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
snapdiode via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Your opinion on using other people's work

So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the
original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams,
grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay


with-11-X17-foldouts/202225020981?hash=item2f158cf035:g:IdcAAOSwklhaf5F6

I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating
that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

If you really want stuff to be available for free, but not have others make
money from it, you could try releasing it using the Creative Commons
license:

Copyright Note:
All content Copyright (C) 2018 by XXYYZZ.

[image: Creative Commons License]
<>
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons
Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License
<>.

Basically the above says it can be shared, they have to attribute it to
you, and no one can sell it. They have a variety of licenses with different
features.

That supposedly will give you some backing, in some countries at least, to
force something to be taken down or even sue someone if they are making
money from your work. I do not know how well it works in practice.

Regards,

Mark
W7MLG

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@...> wrote:

I have refrained from contributing to this thread because I have been
afraid of going overboard.

There have been a lot of good point made (like you need me to tell you
that!).

Once you put something out on the internet that is freely downloadable,
people will download it. If they can make money somehow by using it, some
will do so. Whether or not there is anything the person who uploaded the
resource can do about that is unclear tome, but ti seems probable that in
pretty much all cases it is not worth the money that would have to be spent
to do so.

I did want to point out, though, wrt to Dennis' concerns about posting
rare documents, that Adobe DOES have a facility for limiting access to PDF
files by password. If one wished to distribute and control access to a PDF,
one can distribute the document and supply the password to those who are to
be granted access to the document.

Yes, there is the danger of the password eventually getting out into the
public domain, and I don't have a good answer for how to protect against
that. And, yes, it is possible that someone who has been granted access may
pass the document along with the password to others, and I don't know how
to get around that either.

DaveD

On 4/3/2018 11:19 AM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:

Hi SnapDiode,

You definitely hit a nerve. 17 years ago I began keeping lists of various
Tek products I had so I didn't buy something I already owned. That was how
my list of TM500/TM5000 plugins got started. It quickly expanded to include
unusual, rare, one of a kind, other manufacturers, or odd ball TM500/TM5000
plugins that I saw anywhere. The list grew to a point that David DiGiacomo
contacted me and offered to host a copy (Thank you David!) on his web site:
www.davmar.com
Other web sites found the list useful and copied it verbatim which was
fine with me since my name was plainly visible at the top so it was clear I
was the author.

Then one day years ago I discovered there was an EXACT copy of my list
with someone else's name at the top. This P#$*@K was taking credit for my
work. He is somewhere in England. I tried contacting him at his email
address which was also there in the list he purloined but of course he
never replied.

Even now as I write this it makes my blood boil that someone would do
this. After that it took years for me to trust someone again with other
lists of Tek equipment I was maintaining. That is the damage that can come
from theft of intellectual property such as your 1S1 manual and my list.
Kurt Rosenfeld, the creator of TekWiki, finally restored my trust because
he is doing something so important and so professional that he deserves all
of our support. I have given him other lists of Tek plugins, application
notes, etc. that I have accumulated. But I have still more that I am
conflicted about sharing.

I have some extremely rare 7000 manuals that were very expensive and, as
far as I know, they are the only ones in existence. If I make them
available for scanning how do I get my investment back? Part of me sees
this as selfish, but my wife works hard to support us and she wants to know
when my passion for Tektronix is going to stop costing her money and
contribute to our financial obligations. Every time I go to a swap meet I
have to consistently come back with more money than I brought with me. So
far that hasn't happened. My wife needs me to do much more than that if I
am to carry my share of our living expenses.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
snapdiode via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Your opinion on using other people's work

So about 15 years ago I made a 1S1 manual in Word by scanning the
original in three passes, to end up with OCR'd text, B/W diagrams,
grayscale pictures, and 11x17 color schematic pages.
I made it into a PDF and it ended up on BAMA.as a free download.



Which is fine, but now I see this on eBay


with-11-X17-foldouts/202225020981?hash=item2f158cf035:g:IdcAAOSwklhaf5F6

I can see by the thumbnail this is my PDF.

Is it too much to expect some sort of credit for the work of creating
that PDF?

Besides I keep finding typos and graphical oddities in the document.

If one does that, is there a way to keep people from making money on the product without spending a lot of money on legal fees?

On 04/03/2018 01:03 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:

If one does that, is there a way to keep people from making money on the product without spending a lot of money on legal fees?

No. Copyright is a "right to sue" is all.

For recouping the cost of a rare 7000 manual, the best route would be to ask on this list for a group of interested
folks to share the cost of scanning it and deliver them the results with an agreement that it is rights reserved derivative copyright and not www publish it.

My apologies.
The correct link is


Dennis Tillman W7PF

wrote:

Hi Dennis

Just been looking at that exceptionally extensive list. There are versions
of the SG505 and AA501 that
aren't listed:

SG505 MOD WQ
SG505 MOD WR
AA501A MOD WQ

These all fit together in a power frame with specific rear interface
connections to link them all
together into a measurement suite.

I have photos, and partial schematics of the SG505 versions.

Craig

My apologies.
The correct link is


Dennis Tillman W7PF