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Type 106


 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:21 PM, Eric wrote:


Also 12ns rise time is only 29.166Mhz bandwidth so I should be fine there I
expect but only testing will tell.
At 0.5V, it's 1 ns max.

Raymond


 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:27 PM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:


At 0.5V, it's 1 ns max.
Sorry Eric, doesn't apply to what you did...

Raymond


 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:21 AM, Eric wrote:


Now Raymond has me thinking I might need to check the rise time when I get
back in to the lab tonight on mine make sure my BNC jack did not roll it off
to far. I did the mod because the GR to BNC adaptors are getting harder and
harder to find. Also 12ns rise time is only 29.166Mhz bandwidth so I should be
fine there I expect but only testing will tell. On my 184 I have not had to
recap yet but I am expecting it to play up any time now and will have to how
much of a pain in the butt is that going to be?

Eric
I haven¡¯t had to recap it until yesterday... And I¡¯ve had it for quite a while now. It ran without any issues.
Fortunately the bad caps didn¡¯t take anything out in the way. They were not even leaky or anything, they were just DEAD as a door knob. Completely open with no capacitance whatsoever. Well... the 2000uF read about 3nF...
It¡¯s not too much of a pain. Except for the 700uF for which you have to remove the fuse holder to be able to pull it out from underneath. Otherwise it¡¯s pretty straight forward. Make sure to use 105C rated caps though.


 

Also, it comes in a rather unusual (to me) case, which does appear to be
stock.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=261997

That certainly looks like a Tek case, but it might not be the correct one for your 106. One of the instruments I bought years ago via ebay came with the wrong case, which happened to be nicely marked, as to what it was for. Deane Kidd had the correct case, but wanted my incorrect case as a core. I was happy to do that.

I'm afraid can't get to my 106 right now to see what it's case looks like.


 

It doesn't look like the correct case to me.... and I've two of them.

This is what I expect it to look like: (Not my image,
wantonly ripped from google.)



David

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jim Adney <jadney@...> wrote:

Also, it comes in a rather unusual (to me) case, which does appear to be
stock.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=261997

That certainly looks like a Tek case, but it might not be the correct one
for your 106. One of the instruments I bought years ago via ebay came with
the wrong case, which happened to be nicely marked, as to what it was for.
Deane Kidd had the correct case, but wanted my incorrect case as a core. I
was happy to do that.

I'm afraid can't get to my 106 right now to see what it's case looks like.






 

It is probably the wrong case I guess. But it seems to fit it quite perfectly.
I wonder what case that would¡¯ve been off from originally.... Hmmmm.


 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 07:24 AM, David Holland wrote:


It doesn't look like the correct case to me.... and I've two of them.

This is what I expect it to look like: (Not my image,
wantonly ripped from google.)



David

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jim Adney <jadney@...> wrote:

Also, it comes in a rather unusual (to me) case, which does appear to be
stock.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=261997

That certainly looks like a Tek case, but it might not be the correct one
for your 106. One of the instruments I bought years ago via ebay came with
the wrong case, which happened to be nicely marked, as to what it was for.
Deane Kidd had the correct case, but wanted my incorrect case as a core. I
was happy to do that.

I'm afraid can't get to my 106 right now to see what it's case looks like.





Yes, I know what the right case looks like. It¡¯s the same as my 184.


 

If anyone knows of a case for sale, please let me know offline.


 

As far as I know, my 106 has its original case. This is what it looks like:


 

I made some measurements on mine I used a crappy cable on purpose to get the worst rise time I could

Teminated in to 50 Ohms
Rise time - 9.2ns
P-P voltage - 13.0 V

Unterminated
Rise time - 350ns
p-p Voltage 72.8 Maxes out Rigol scope

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 12:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Type 106

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:21 AM, Eric wrote:


Now Raymond has me thinking I might need to check the rise time when I
get back in to the lab tonight on mine make sure my BNC jack did not
roll it off to far. I did the mod because the GR to BNC adaptors are
getting harder and harder to find. Also 12ns rise time is only
29.166Mhz bandwidth so I should be fine there I expect but only
testing will tell. On my 184 I have not had to recap yet but I am
expecting it to play up any time now and will have to how much of a pain in the butt is that going to be?

Eric
I haven¡¯t had to recap it until yesterday... And I¡¯ve had it for quite a while now. It ran without any issues.
Fortunately the bad caps didn¡¯t take anything out in the way. They were not even leaky or anything, they were just DEAD as a door knob. Completely open with no capacitance whatsoever. Well... the 2000uF read about 3nF...
It¡¯s not too much of a pain. Except for the 700uF for which you have to remove the fuse holder to be able to pull it out from underneath. Otherwise it¡¯s pretty straight forward. Make sure to use 105C rated caps though.


 

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 11:10 PM, Eric wrote:


Teminated in to 50 Ohms
Rise time - 9.2ns
P-P voltage - 13.0 V

Unterminated
Rise time - 350ns
p-p Voltage 72.8 Maxes out Rigol scope
Re. into 50 Ohm:
Be careful not to exceed the 'scope's maximum input on 50 Ohm.
It's not so much the rise time that your Rigol shows, it's the quality of the square wave that makes it useful, especially a flat top and no more than around 5% percent over- and undershoot, otherwise you could use a triggered Jim Williams pulser just as well.

Re. Unterminated:
The maximum safe input voltage of 'scopes is dependent on the input frequency. Check your 'scope's specs. Of course, if you use a 10x probe, it's not as risky.

Raymond


 

The type 106 arrived today from Germany.
It¡¯s in quite a very good condition, albeit a bit dusty. Which is to be expected.
I haven¡¯t fired it up yet. The reasons being that the line cord the seller sent, doesn¡¯t fit, and I¡¯m inclined to recap it before I power it up.

On the other hand, the enclosure, although unusual, seems pretty legit to me.
It hasn¡¯t been cut down to fit this unit, as you can see by looking at the edges. They have the original paint on them. It ¡°may¡± not be original to this unit, but I don¡¯t know of any other Tek that it would have been for...
Could it be a transition unit before they went to the more traditional case? Maybe?
It¡¯s quite an older unit with the gold plated boards. Serial is 001467, if that tells you experts anything...

Pictures here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=261997


 

From what I have seen of Tek equipment you have an early production unit.
The later case allowed for the four scope calibration units the 106, 191,
184 and 067-0502 to be stacked on top of each other so that they wouldn't
slide off.

On Monday, March 22, 2021, Stephen <stephen.nabet@...> wrote:

The type 106 arrived today from Germany.
It¡¯s in quite a very good condition, albeit a bit dusty. Which is to be
expected.
I haven¡¯t fired it up yet. The reasons being that the line cord the
seller sent, doesn¡¯t fit, and I¡¯m inclined to recap it before I power it up.

On the other hand, the enclosure, although unusual, seems pretty legit to
me.
It hasn¡¯t been cut down to fit this unit, as you can see by looking at the
edges. They have the original paint on them. It ¡°may¡± not be original to
this unit, but I don¡¯t know of any other Tek that it would have been for...
Could it be a transition unit before they went to the more traditional
case? Maybe?
It¡¯s quite an older unit with the gold plated boards. Serial is 001467,
if that tells you experts anything...

Pictures here: /g/TekScopes/album?id=261997






 

Ken,

I think you are right. This is definitely an early production unit.
Although to me, it looks like it might be a transition unit. The reason being that it does have the screw on the front panel to lock the unit in place. Which is how the mechanism works on the later cases. They might have had some leftover earlier type enclosures, and they decided to use them on some units, even though they were clearly designed for the newer cases.
What startles me is that the case fits perfectly, and has obviously not been cut down or trimmed to fit, in anyway shape or form. The bottom feet look very much original as well. However, there is a small hole on the left side of the unit, when it¡¯s facing the user, that seems to be there to facilitate access to a trim pot control of some sort. But that control is not there; it¡¯s actually off center from that access hole. But maybe it was on even earlier units...?

All this make me think it¡¯s a transition model.


 

For those who haven¡¯t seen this, this is how the GR874 connectors are mounted directly on the Fast Rise and Fast Fall outputs of the Type 106.

I definitely DO NOT want to mess with that!

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/1?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/0?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0


 

Yea that is why I only changed the normal connector as it only has a wire to it. I did not mess with the fast rise and fall either.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 1:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Type 106

For those who haven¡¯t seen this, this is how the GR874 connectors are mounted directly on the Fast Rise and Fast Fall outputs of the Type 106.

I definitely DO NOT want to mess with that!

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/1?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/0?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0


 

I would definitely keep the original GR connectors, and if you need to, use an SMA adapter. They're made by GR too and it doesn't have any effect that I can see on my ~ 650 ps (so far) avalanche pulser output. BNC seem to be a crapshoot (and the faster you shoot, the more crap they introduce!)
;)


 

Cleaning it up revealed something else I had never seen before. Not that I¡¯m an expert or anything, but this is new to me.
The lettering of serial number is gold.
I¡¯ve always seen it black...
Has anyone come across a ¡°gold¡± serial number before??

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/3?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0

Here¡¯s the hole on the right hand side when facing the unit. It doesn¡¯t lead to anywhere, though. The trim pot isn¡¯t centered.
The case is also very well ventilated everywhere.

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/0?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0

More pictures:
/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/2?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0

/g/TekScopes/photo/261997/1?p=Created,,,50,2,0,0


 

I¡¯ll get all the appropriate caps tomorrow.
I haven¡¯t worked on the interior yet.
Eric, how easy is it to replace those filter caps? It seems like a real hassle because of the ceramic strips on top of them...
Any piece of advice before I get started?


walter shawlee
 

That is brass, not gold. the top plating (nickel or something) is on top of
a brass blank.? not as exotic as you might think. brass is very easy to engrave, which makes
it popular for this task.

when you see engraved or stamped serial numbers that are black,
they have just been filled it with black enamel or paint.

all the best,
walter

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