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Tektronix 545B (III)


JOSE V. GAVILA (EB5AGV/EC5AAU)
 

Hello!

I have been working a bit more on the oscilloscope, based on your comments
and my very own ;-) ideas. Well, almost everybody agreed about a power
supply capacitor trouble causing the trace distortion. But I have measured
the AC component of the regulated voltages and all are very low... So I
have done some checkings, as looking at the CALIBRATOR output on another
oscilloscope and it is fine, without any distortion. I have also looked at
the SAWTOOTH A and +GATE A outputs and both signals are fine. But looking
at the VERT SIG OUT I got some ripple. What is supposed to be at that output?

On another hand, I have checked the 1A1 plug-in CH1 SIGNAL OUT and there I
get also a distorted signal, similar to what I get in the 545B but without
the 'trace back' (it has just some bumps on it). If I put the CHANNEL 1 in
GND mode I get also distortion, as shown in the picture at my WEB page



(center line should be an straight line, as it is GND)

The picture is overexposed in some parts. In fact, trace is fine and focus,
astigmatism, brightness and other controls work just fine. The bright spots
are really 'trace backs' (I mean the trace goes to the left and a bit up
for a while and then goes back to the right)

So I am not so confident about the power supply. I need to check more
things about that.

Somebody commented about the power supply temporized startup. It is clear
that there is a vacuum relay(?) which in turn activates a large multi-pole
relay. My unit took about 30 seconds from cold to activate that relay and
then measured power supply voltages are right. But, lately, it took close
to a minute. And, one time, it has not started at all. I have left it get
cold and then have retried. It has started but after a while I found some
burnt smell. After a fast power off, I have started to look for the burnt
part. And, to my surprise, it seems to be the power switch!. It smells to
burnt bakelite... Is this a common fault?. Could the switch be repaired?.
Anyway, I prefer a damaged switch than any other part, as it would indicate
a major trouble.

So, summing up, I have found that the scope takes some times too much time
to start up. Could you comment about the usual starting up sequence?. I
have also found that the neon bulbs in the circuit have a curious startup:
first, all of them light. Then they start to put off gradually (not all
same time). And then, when the power relay clicks, some of them light
again. Is this usual?. Did they mean anything about the health of the
scope?. Missing the schematics is really a bad thing :-( (I got some
e-mailed scans but the low voltage power supply part is unreadable; I would
appreciate a better scan)

Please, any hint about where to look for the source of the trace
distortion, apart of the electrolytics, would be welcomed. Also, if there
is any way to check the scope (at least part of it) WITHOUT the 1A1 plugin,
I would love to hear about that, as I have no other plug-in and I think
perhaps the plugin is faulty. What should be shown on the scope without the
plug-in?

Thanks for your help!

JOSE
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73 EB5AGV / EC5AAU - JOSE V. GAVILA
La Canyada - Valencia (SPAIN)

EB5AGV Vintage Radio Site:

European Boatanchors List:


 

Hi Jose,

On another hand, I have checked the 1A1 plug-in CH1 SIGNAL OUT and
there I
get also a distorted signal, similar to what I get in the 545B but
without
the 'trace back'
Power supply ripple is an uncommon fault in my experience of the
530/540/550 series.

It sounds like the 1A1 may be the cause of the problem. There were 2
broad versions of the 1A1, the early ones with nuvistor inputs and
the later ones ( or modified early ones) with FET inputs. You can
tell which type you have by looking at the input modules on the sides
just ahead of the input attenuator. It there is a little PCB with
FETs then it's a late model, if it has a blue casing with a screw in
the middle, that's the nuvistor shield (2 tubes per channel). Very
early ones have exposed nuvistors with no shield. It may be a faulty
tube or dirty connections.

An ideal test would be to find almost any other 1- or letter- series
plugin as a substitute.

Somebody commented about the power supply temporized startup. It is
clear
that there is a vacuum relay(?) which in turn activates a large
multi-pole
relay.
That's a thermal relay running fron the 6.3 volt line. It activates a
larger multi pole relay which applies B+ once the heaters are warm. I
have had them fail with burnt out heaters. They are getting expensive
and I have made up a little solid state substitute (cct available if
you want). 30 seconds is about right.

And, to my surprise, it seems to be the power switch!. It smells to
burnt bakelite... Is this a common fault?. Could the switch be
repaired?.

It's a simple toggle switch - easy to replace with a generic part.


Could you comment about the usual starting up sequence?. I
have also found that the neon bulbs in the circuit have a curious
startup:
first, all of them light. Then they start to put off gradually (not
all
same time). And then, when the power relay clicks, some of them
light
again. Is this usual?.
This is completely normal. Many of those bulbs are there to limit
tube electrode voltages, and some are coupling devices. Not all the
B+ is switched by the startup relay so there are some out-of
tolerance voltages present during warmup up which have to be limited.
You will find some of the neons in the timebase filcker in sync with
the sweep - visible at slow speeds.

is any way to check the scope (at least part of it) WITHOUT the 1A1
plugin,
I would love to hear about that, as I have no other plug-in and I
think
perhaps the plugin is faulty. What should be shown on the scope
without the
plug-in?
I'm not sure whether you can run the 545B without a plugin. The 547
has a plunger switch that is activated by the plugin and if there is
one in your scope (a plastic plunger at the top of the rear panel of
the plugin compartment) then you can operate it without the plugin.
Otherwise the power supplies are not loaded properly. There are a
couple of tubes in the timebase whose heaters are in series, supplied
from the +100 volt supply and drained by a load in the plugin. If
there is no drain, the tubes won't heat and the timebase won't work.
Also some vertical amp designs need +67 volts applied to their inputs
which is normally supplied by the plugin. I'm not sure whether the
545B is one of those.

I hope this helps Jose. You have got me onto one of my favourite
subjects!!

73

Morris Odell


Stan or Patricia Griffiths
 

JOSE V. GAVILA (EB5AGV/EC5AAU) wrote:

Hello!

I have been working a bit more on the oscilloscope, based on your comments
and my very own ;-) ideas. Well, almost everybody agreed about a power
supply capacitor trouble causing the trace distortion. But I have measured
the AC component of the regulated voltages and all are very low... So I
have done some checkings, as looking at the CALIBRATOR output on another
oscilloscope and it is fine, without any distortion. I have also looked at
the SAWTOOTH A and +GATE A outputs and both signals are fine. But looking
at the VERT SIG OUT I got some ripple. What is supposed to be at that output?
At the Vertical Signal Out you should see a sample of what appears on screen.
The amplitude should be about 2 volts per centimeter of vertical screen size.

On another hand, I have checked the 1A1 plug-in CH1 SIGNAL OUT and there I
get also a distorted signal, similar to what I get in the 545B but without
the 'trace back' (it has just some bumps on it). If I put the CHANNEL 1 in
GND mode I get also distortion, as shown in the picture at my WEB page
If it is a power supply probem, it will likely affect all circuits in the scope
and plugin.



(center line should be an straight line, as it is GND)

The picture is overexposed in some parts. In fact, trace is fine and focus,
astigmatism, brightness and other controls work just fine. The bright spots
are really 'trace backs' (I mean the trace goes to the left and a bit up
for a while and then goes back to the right)

So I am not so confident about the power supply. I need to check more
things about that.

Somebody commented about the power supply temporized startup. It is clear
that there is a vacuum relay(?) which in turn activates a large multi-pole
relay. My unit took about 30 seconds from cold to activate that relay and
then measured power supply voltages are right. But, lately, it took close
to a minute. And, one time, it has not started at all. I have left it get
cold and then have retried. It has started but after a while I found some
burnt smell. After a fast power off, I have started to look for the burnt
part. And, to my surprise, it seems to be the power switch!. It smells to
burnt bakelite... Is this a common fault?. Could the switch be repaired?.
Anyway, I prefer a damaged switch than any other part, as it would indicate
a major trouble.

So, summing up, I have found that the scope takes some times too much time
to start up. Could you comment about the usual starting up sequence?. I
have also found that the neon bulbs in the circuit have a curious startup:
first, all of them light. Then they start to put off gradually (not all
same time). And then, when the power relay clicks, some of them light
again. Is this usual?. Did they mean anything about the health of the
scope?. Missing the schematics is really a bad thing :-( (I got some
e-mailed scans but the low voltage power supply part is unreadable; I would
appreciate a better scan)

Please, any hint about where to look for the source of the trace
distortion, apart of the electrolytics, would be welcomed. Also, if there
is any way to check the scope (at least part of it) WITHOUT the 1A1 plugin,
I would love to hear about that, as I have no other plug-in and I think
perhaps the plugin is faulty. What should be shown on the scope without the
plug-in?

Thanks for your help!

JOSE
----------------------------------------------------------------------
73 EB5AGV / EC5AAU - JOSE V. GAVILA
La Canyada - Valencia (SPAIN)

EB5AGV Vintage Radio Site:

European Boatanchors List:

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