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Searching for a Tek 7000 series scope


 

Hi Sean,
Where are you located?
Dennis Tillman W7PF

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I wanted to thank everyone for their replies, direct emails, and
advice. After consideration of many kind offers, I ended up purchasing
a 7904A + plugins from John Griessen. It arrived yesterday! Absolutely
thrilled with it.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=89735

I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to
free up bench space. :o)

Sean



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Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


 

Harvey,

Thanks for your thoughts. Right now I definitely don't have the floor space for a scope cart, but I'm planning a move in the near future and am looking at houses. One criteria is enough floor space for a couple of benches and rolling carts (already have a small rolling metal cart I got at the container store which I keep my small tools on, such as screwdrivers, pliers, flux bottle, etc on.

Sean

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Harvey White wrote:


Point is, they had a lot of floor space.

Your lab may not.

Mine doesn't, so my scope cart is sitting elsewhere waiting for a
larger lab.... (one day).


 

Sean,

Good choice.

The Tektronix model 204-2 ¡®scope cart is made specifically for the 7000-series ¡®scopes. It has five slots that hold spare plug-ins as well as a drawer that may be used to hold probes and accessories. It also has a hold-down bar to keep the ¡®scope from sliding around on the cart.

Specific carts are often dfficult to find and they are a bit difficult to ship (but, with some work, they can be diassembled for more convenient shipping).

Good luck.

DaveD

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On Apr 20, 2019, at 16:12, [email protected] wrote:

I wanted to thank everyone for their replies, direct emails, and advice. After consideration of many kind offers, I ended up purchasing a 7904A + plugins from John Griessen. It arrived yesterday! Absolutely thrilled with it.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=89735

I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to free up bench space. :o)

Sean



 

One can also find three-shelf heavy-duty plastic carts that work well as ¡®scope carts. I have one made by Rubbermaid on which I kept a Tektronix 575 for many years.

DaveD

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On Apr 20, 2019, at 17:05, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:12:15 -0700, you wrote:

I wanted to thank everyone for their replies, direct emails, and advice. After consideration of many kind offers, I ended up purchasing a 7904A + plugins from John Griessen. It arrived yesterday! Absolutely thrilled with it.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=89735

I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to free up bench space. :o)
I have a scope mobile cart that will hold a 7000 series scope (no, not
for sale).

Some observations: The scopemobile was designed to be a roll around
home for a scope in a lab/facility that had a lot of bench space. The
typical electronics bench of the time was a workbench maybe 35 to 40
inches deep, relatively high off the floor (people used stools), with
a single shelf about 2-3 feet above the workbench.

You'd put instruments, etc., on that shelf. However, given the depth
of the average 7000 series scope (and that there'd not likely be one
for each technician, either), the scope would not sit on the bench.
Hence, the scope cart with plugins, TM500/TM5000 stuff, etc.

Point is, they had a lot of floor space.

Your lab may not.

Mine doesn't, so my scope cart is sitting elsewhere waiting for a
larger lab.... (one day).

Now, as far as my arrangements go, and you may want to consider this,
I use the roll around wire shelves, 4 feet wide, 2 feet deep, 6 feet
or so high, with six shelves (not all necessarily used). You *really*
want the kind that does not have that little helpful basket shape, you
want the kind where things could roll off, with the flanges down.
(BJ's wholesale seems to sell on the turned up type, good for boxes
and bins, not so hot for test equipment.

I took a power strip and bolted it to the back of one of the shelves.
I took a closet flourescent lamp and bolted it to the back of the top
shelf. Saves needing a flashlight.

I then went to the local Home Despot and bought a sheet of 4x8 1/8th
inch masonite (brown particle board to others, but without the holes).
I had them cut it into sheets that exactly fit the top of the shelves,
closing off the wire holes. Now everything with feet doesn't catch on
the shelves.

One of those shelves is an inch or so off the main workbench surface,
and behind it. The 7000 series scope rests on the back of the shelf
and with the bail down, is at a slight angle when resting on the
workbench.

This works for me. Striplights on the shelves for background lighting
on the bench, outlet strips below the bench, and so on.

You may not use that scope cart as much as you might think, depending
on your lab layout.


Harvey



Sean





 

Hi Sean,
Congratulations on capturing a 7904A - it is an astounding instrument. It was nice of John Griessen to offer you one of his scopes.

Most of the scope carts that are wide enough for a four wide 7000 scope have another thing you can add later on: The side rails that are mounted to the main shelf so they swivel with it are wide enough to accommodate a TM504 mainframe so four additional TMxxx plugin instruments can go with your scope at all times.

You will have to find the shelf Tek made for this purpose. There is nothing special about it so I made two of them for my own use and mounted two TM504 mainframes onto those side rails. The shelf is a flat surface and on the left and right sides it is bent up and holes are drilled in the bent up sides to mate to the side rails of the scope. By adding the shelf you actually strengthen the whole cart. Two shelves and two TM504 mainframes worked perfectly and allowed me to take up to 8 plugins where ever the scope was. the scope cart is so well built it was perfectly capable of handling the extra weight without any problems at all.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Searching for a Tek 7000 series scope
<SNIP>
I wanted to thank everyone for their replies, direct emails, and
advice. After consideration of many kind offers, I ended up purchasing
a 7904A + plugins from John Griessen. It arrived yesterday! Absolutely
thrilled with it.

Sean



--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


 

Hi Sean,
OK, I looked at the pictures. The third picture really caught my attention!!! My first reaction was "This is not possible". The bandwidth must be so far down at 2GHz that you would barely get it to display that at one or two divisions of vertical no matter what you did.

What I don't understand is what you had to do to get that 2GHz sinewave on the screen of a 7904A with a just a 7A19. Also how hard was it to get the 7B15 to trigger at that frequency? One last question: What was your signal source?

My complements to you for whatever you did to get your new scope to do that. Everybody should sit up and take notice of what a 7901A can do. It would be even faster with a 7A29 in it. You are certainly capable of putting this scope to very good use.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Searching for a Tek 7000 series scope

I wanted to thank everyone for their replies, direct emails, and
advice. After consideration of many kind offers, I ended up purchasing
a 7904A + plugins from John Griessen. It arrived yesterday! Absolutely
thrilled with it.

/g/TekScopes/album?id=89735

I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to
free up bench space. :o)

Sean



--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


 

On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:42:00 -0700, you wrote:

Harvey,

Thanks for your thoughts. Right now I definitely don't have the floor space for a scope cart, but I'm planning a move in the near future and am looking at houses. One criteria is enough floor space for a couple of benches and rolling carts (already have a small rolling metal cart I got at the container store which I keep my small tools on, such as screwdrivers, pliers, flux bottle, etc on.
Ah, now, based on my lab:

1) PC board fabrication, about 5 feet by 2 feet.
2) DC calibration (one rack and desk space)
3) RF work, maybe the same
4) Digital (main focus), about 4 feet worth of space)
5) Scope calibration (2 feet, often borrowed)
6) miscellaneous (borrowed, you decide)
7) PC board assembly and desoldering (4 feet)
8) plugin stack and tool chests (4 feet)
9) place to sit (3 feet) (!)

10) door (needed one of them somehow)
11) window (etc...)

You're getting the idea....

Labs automatically expand to 2x the available space.....

Harvey



Sean

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Harvey White wrote:


Point is, they had a lot of floor space.

Your lab may not.

Mine doesn't, so my scope cart is sitting elsewhere waiting for a
larger lab.... (one day).


 

Hi Dennis,

Keep in mind that the 7904A timebase is not be calibrated at 200 ps/div (see the note on the front panel above the trigger source controls). The 7B15 is really intended for use in the 7104 with a 7B10 timebase, so it's minimum time/div is 200 ps/div with 10x zoom. However, because it's such a fast timebase, triggering on that signal is easy. The 7B92A timebase will not cleanly trigger on the same signal. It will trigger, but it's much uglier.

The signal generator in question is my HP 8664A, 10 kHz-3 GHz, set for 1.1 GHz carrier. The frequency response dies quickly beyond that.

According to my calculation, the ~520 ps period shown originally at 200 ps/div corresponds to roughly 1.93 GHz as you mentioned. At 1.1 GHz, the period should be just slightly under 1 ns. If you look at the pictures I added to the album, you'll note that at 500 ps/div it's showing the correct period, but at 200 ps/div the signal seems to be getting compressed in the time domain. It should be quite a few more divisions at 1.1 GHz and sweep speed combo.

Still, it's very good performance and a testament to how well engineered this scope is. I can get a stable trigger up to about 1.43 GHz, at which point the amplitude is rolling off very fast.

Sean

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 03:53 PM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:


Hi Sean,
OK, I looked at the pictures. The third picture really caught my attention!!!
My first reaction was "This is not possible". The bandwidth must be so far
down at 2GHz that you would barely get it to display that at one or two
divisions of vertical no matter what you did.

What I don't understand is what you had to do to get that 2GHz sinewave on the
screen of a 7904A with a just a 7A19. Also how hard was it to get the 7B15 to
trigger at that frequency? One last question: What was your signal source?

My complements to you for whatever you did to get your new scope to do that.
Everybody should sit up and take notice of what a 7901A can do. It would be
even faster with a 7A29 in it. You are certainly capable of putting this scope
to very good use.

Dennis Tillman W7PF


 

Yeah, I've experienced the "grow to overflow the space" already. I'm sure I will expand to fill any space I get. My main focus is RF (the comparatively light weight of the 7904A relative to my HP 8566 and 8568 spectrum analyzers is refreshing!) and digital.

Sean

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 04:45 PM, Harvey White wrote:


Ah, now, based on my lab:

1) PC board fabrication, about 5 feet by 2 feet.
2) DC calibration (one rack and desk space)
3) RF work, maybe the same
4) Digital (main focus), about 4 feet worth of space)
5) Scope calibration (2 feet, often borrowed)
6) miscellaneous (borrowed, you decide)
7) PC board assembly and desoldering (4 feet)
8) plugin stack and tool chests (4 feet)
9) place to sit (3 feet) (!)

10) door (needed one of them somehow)
11) window (etc...)

You're getting the idea....

Labs automatically expand to 2x the available space.....

Harvey


 

Something I just wanted to point out-? The cart doesn't need to be designed for the 7K series; I have one of my 7704As on a K212 scopemobile, which I think was designed for the 24xx series.? It takes up less floor space, but the scope MUST be strapped/secured to the cart.? (I almost lost another 7704A years ago with what I assumed to be a secure method; it wasn't.
-Dave


I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to free up bench space. :o)


 

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 06:39 PM, Dave Seiter wrote:


I have one of my 7704As on a K212 scopemobile,
Hi Dave:
We/I have to see a picture of that.
Scopemobiles are great for say for the likes of a 465 or a 2415... but a fully stuffed 7704?
Not saying it can't be done... but, can it be done for the nervous?
Best regards and wishes to all.
Roy


 

On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 01:39:55 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

Something I just wanted to point out-? The cart doesn't need to be designed for the 7K series; I have one of my 7704As on a K212 scopemobile, which I think was designed for the 24xx series.? It takes up less floor space, but the scope MUST be strapped/secured to the cart.? (I almost lost another 7704A years ago with what I assumed to be a secure method; it wasn't.
Mine is a model 3, with a bay for a TM504 below it. It's proudly
labeled "NASA property". I don't plan on removing the sticker.

It does fit the 7000 series and has the clamp for the feet.

Harvey


-Dave

I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart for it to free up bench space. :o)





 

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 07:23 PM, @0culus wrote:


mostly HP with one Tek 2465B
Hi All:
Mostly the above seems to be ignored in this discussion... of course... it is a thread about 7000s.
Just the same...and sort of on topic... if someone said to me slide over your 7404, with those pair of 7B7Xs, and a couple of 7A26s... and I toss you my 2465B... I'd say sure no problem... especially if I had to throw in some P6109s for a P6139.
Regards and best wishes.
Roy


John Griessen
 

On 4/20/19 3:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I think the next thing I need to find is a scope mobile cart
I Have model 3 I can send you.

What do you wan to pay?

--
John


 

Yesterday I went to a nearby estate sale that had a lot of interesting stuff, but one thing that stood out was a Tek 536 sitting on a K212 (or similar) scopemobile.? At first I thought it was sitting on an extended bench top;? I didn't want to even touch the thing, fearing it might collapse.? They wanted $150 for it (with two garden variety plugins).
-Dave

On Saturday, April 20, 2019, 7:15:59 PM PDT, Roy Thistle <roy.thistle@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 06:39 PM, Dave Seiter wrote:


I have one of my 7704As on a K212 scopemobile,
Hi Dave:
We/I have to see a picture of that.
Scopemobiles are great for say for the likes of a 465 or a 2415... but a fully stuffed 7704?
Not saying it can't be done... but, can it be done for the nervous?
Best regards and wishes to all.
Roy