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Nuvistors/TD


 

"See this 1961 GE TD manual:"

I remember that manual from long long ago. I did high school at the end of the 60's and was the first class in college in EE to not study "tubes", EEs were going all solid state! The Esaki TD was only invented in '57, that manual published in '61, and essentially un-mentioned until my grad school studying from Simon Sze Physics of Semiconductor Devices.
My point is that the TD is a good historical example of industrial exuberance in addition to a fascinating device. At the time that manual was published the TD was going to revolutionize logic switching design it was so fast. Tubes were out, now there was something better than the transistor! Ah, but that was a "discrete" world view. As it quickly became evident, you couldn't really integrate with them, the on/off states had poor noise margin compared to other logic and in less than a decade they were relegated to discrete applications in oscillator, tuner and gating apps. Three terminal devices are just better at noise margin and I/O isolation.
It is interesting to note that the TD effect is a majority carrier action, unlike a conventional PN junction. There is another majority carrier diode that, while older than the transistor, was rapidly assimilated into power devices and integration and is still in use today. That would be the Schottky barrier diode! Two very interesting junction barrier effects with quite different commercial outcomes.

Still, it is a bit cool to hold a TD knowing the amazing physical phenomenon that the simple little device demonstrates.

Kjo


Chuck Harris
 

I read that manual from cover to cover, over and over again,
as an information starved boy will. I was all ready to conquer
the world with tunnel diodes, and went off to Radio Shack to
buy some, and....

RATS!

They had no idea what the heck I was talking about. Neither did
Capitol Radio...

Radio Shack of the late 1960's was vastly more interesting then
it was in later years... but still no tunnel diodes.

Then the Motorola Semiconductor Reference Manual, the TI TTL
manual, and MECL manuals came to me, and I forgot all about
tunnel diodes.... Until tektronix scopes brought them back
into my life (585A).

-Chuck Harris

Kevin Oconnor wrote:

"See this 1961 GE TD manual:"

I remember that manual from long long ago. I did high school at the end of the 60's and was the first class in college in EE to not study "tubes", EEs were going all solid state! The Esaki TD was only invented in '57, that manual published in '61, and essentially un-mentioned until my grad school studying from Simon Sze Physics of Semiconductor Devices.
My point is that the TD is a good historical example of industrial exuberance in addition to a fascinating device. At the time that manual was published the TD was going to revolutionize logic switching design it was so fast. Tubes were out, now there was something better than the transistor! Ah, but that was a "discrete" world view. As it quickly became evident, you couldn't really integrate with them, the on/off states had poor noise margin compared to other logic and in less than a decade they were relegated to discrete applications in oscillator, tuner and gating apps. Three terminal devices are just better at noise margin and I/O isolation.
It is interesting to note that the TD effect is a majority carrier action, unlike a conventional PN junction. There is another majority carrier diode that, while older than the transistor, was rapidly assimilated into power devices and integration and is still in use today. That would be the Schottky barrier diode! Two very interesting junction barrier effects with quite different commercial outcomes.

Still, it is a bit cool to hold a TD knowing the amazing physical phenomenon that the simple little device demonstrates.

Kjo


Brad Thompson
 

On 4/30/2018 3:14 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
<snip>

Radio Shack of the late 1960's was vastly more interesting then
it was in later years... but still no tunnel diodes.
Hello--

The late (and not often lamented) surplus-component business
known as "Poly Paks" offered tunnel diodes in "bargain pak [sic]" format.

73--

Brad AA1IP

P.S.: for fans of Rowan & Martin's "Laugh In"...

"It may be a tunnel diode to you, but it's an Esaki to me."


Craig Sawyers
 

Leo Esaki won the Nobel Prize, along with Ivar Giaevar and Josephon for Tunnelling phenomena. At least
surface plasmons and Josephson Junctions are still in use today.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: 30 April 2018 20:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Nuvistors/TD

I read that manual from cover to cover, over and over again, as an information starved boy will. I
was
all ready to conquer the world with tunnel diodes, and went off to Radio Shack to buy some, and....

RATS!

They had no idea what the heck I was talking about. Neither did Capitol Radio...

Radio Shack of the late 1960's was vastly more interesting then it was in later years... but still
no tunnel
diodes.

Then the Motorola Semiconductor Reference Manual, the TI TTL manual, and MECL manuals came to
me, and I forgot all about tunnel diodes.... Until tektronix scopes brought them back into my life
(585A).

-Chuck Harris

Kevin Oconnor wrote:
"See this 1961 GE TD manual:"

I remember that manual from long long ago. I did high school at the end of the 60's and was the
first
class in college in EE to not study "tubes", EEs were going all solid state! The Esaki TD was only
invented
in '57, that manual published in '61, and essentially un-mentioned until my grad school studying
from
Simon Sze Physics of Semiconductor Devices.
My point is that the TD is a good historical example of industrial exuberance in addition to a
fascinating device. At the time that manual was published the TD was going to revolutionize logic
switching design it was so fast. Tubes were out, now there was something better than the transistor!
Ah, but that was a "discrete" world view. As it quickly became evident, you couldn't really
integrate
with them, the on/off states had poor noise margin compared to other logic and in less than a decade
they were relegated to discrete applications in oscillator, tuner and gating apps. Three terminal
devices are just better at noise margin and I/O isolation.
It is interesting to note that the TD effect is a majority carrier action, unlike a conventional
PN
junction. There is another majority carrier diode that, while older than the transistor, was rapidly
assimilated into power devices and integration and is still in use today. That would be the Schottky
barrier diode! Two very interesting junction barrier effects with quite different commercial
outcomes.

Still, it is a bit cool to hold a TD knowing the amazing physical phenomenon that the simple
little
device demonstrates.

Kjo


 

They were called 'Blister Paks', and I bought a lot of useful parts from them over the years. Not everything was floor sweepings, so was leftovers from production lines. I bought things that I couldn't find anywhere else. There was no internet back then, and many distributors wanted a corporate account to sell you anything. I still have some long lever Microswitches that I bought from them, almost 50 years ago. I never found a bad one, and I used a lot of them repairing tape machines. I bough surplus GE recitifers by the pound. About a 3% defect rate, but what was 30 out of a little over 1000? I used those for myself, but I got things there that were too new or too scarce to find elsewhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Thompson <brad.thompson@...>

Hello--

The late (and not often lamented) surplus-component business
known as "Poly Paks" offered tunnel diodes in "bargain pak [sic]" format.
Michael A. Terrell


Brad Thompson
 

On 4/30/2018 6:13 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
They were called 'Blister Paks', and I bought a lot of useful parts from them over the years. Not everything was floor sweepings, so was leftovers from production lines. I bought things that I couldn't find anywhere else. There was no internet back then, and many distributors wanted a corporate account to sell you anything. I still have some long lever Microswitches that I bought from them, almost 50 years ago. I never found a bad one, and I used a lot of them repairing tape machines. I bough surplus GE recitifers by the pound. About a 3% defect rate, but what was 30 out of a little over 1000? I used those for myself, but I got things there that were too new or too scarce to find elsewhere.
Hello, Michael--

I too was a long-time PolyPak customer, and I too found that
one could get some real bargains with some judicious inspection
of the Paks. Poly Pak was then located in Wakefield, MA, and
a stop on a Saturday surplus tour which typically included Meshna's
and the place in Newburyport with the pigeon-friendly loft.

The floor sweepings were educational, too-- I built a simple curve
tracer and pored through the "we bot thousands-- no time to test"
packs of top-hat silicon rectifiers and unmarked transistors.

Also located in Wakefield was Transitron-- a source of fodder for the Paks.

73--

Brad AA1IP


 

My only contact was my mail order, since I grew up in Ohio. I bought from Poly Packs, BNF, Edlie, John Meshna and other mail order surplus stores.

I was close to Mendelson's, Dayton Surplus, and I made many trips to Fair radio back in the '70s and '80s.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Thompson <brad.thompson@...>

Hello, Michael--

I too was a long-time PolyPak customer, and I too found that
one could get some real bargains with some judicious inspection
of the Paks. Poly Pak was then located in Wakefield, MA, and
a stop on a Saturday surplus tour which typically included Meshna's
and the place in Newburyport with the pigeon-friendly loft.

The floor sweepings were educational, too-- I built a simple curve
tracer and pored through the "we bot thousands-- no time to test"
packs of top-hat silicon rectifiers and unmarked transistors.

Also located in Wakefield was Transitron-- a source of fodder for the Paks.

73--

Brad AA1IP
Michael A. Terrell


 

In the late 1960s a surplus dealer near the Oakland, California airport was obtaining barrels of rejected and sometimes unmarked semiconductors, presumably from scrap yards where the Silicon Valley semiconductor manufacturers were dumping them. He was retesting and selling these to people like Radio Shack. I recall him saying that many of the i.c.s had failed infrared heat distribution tests, but would be fine for non-military use.

Bruce, KG6OJI


 

Some of the ICs that I bought from surplus dealers had a bad gate or inverter. I would bend the leads for that up, and use it where that section wasn't needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: "ebrucehunter via Groups.Io" <Brucekareen@...>
Sent: May 1, 2018 10:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Nuvistors/TD

In the late 1960s a surplus dealer near the Oakland, California airport was obtaining barrels of rejected and sometimes unmarked semiconductors, presumably from scrap yards where the Silicon Valley semiconductor manufacturers were dumping them. He was retesting and selling these to people like Radio Shack. I recall him saying that many of the i.c.s had failed infrared heat distribution tests, but would be fine for non-military use.

Bruce, KG6OJI



Michael A. Terrell