I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

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Hi Robert:



I am on travel, thus I do not have access to my 2710 to give a better
description. The tracking generator should fit on the left hand side (with
the crt facing you) of the analyzer. If there is an option installed in the
left hand side of the analyzer, it will have to be removed so that the TG
can fit.



Rich



From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of dreadlk
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:19 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but how
do I install it?





I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking
generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all
metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size
but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector
and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side
section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used
up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's
not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold
with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works
with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin
connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710.
Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now.
Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework
before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for your help.

Robert
KD8MJR



--- In TekScopes@..., "Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Whoa!

Since your 2710 has the Option 14 VR module installed, you need to carefully consider whether you want to go forward with this modification. If you remove the Option 14 VR module assembly, you will lose the 300 Hz, 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz resolution bandwidth filters and possibly the 20kHz/div and below phase lock. When the tracking generator is installed, the 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides in the far right socket on the power supply board. The 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides on the Option 14 VR module when that option is installed.

It is possible to use a 2707 external tracking generator with the 2710. A 2707 is basically an internal tracking generator with a power supply installed in a separate case. To use a 2707, you will need to replace the DB-9 rear interface connector with the DB-15 interface connector that was used on the mid and late production 2712s and connect the appropriate tracking generator lines. It is a little tricky to get the external tracking generator to work with a 2710 that has the Option 14 VR board installed because they share one data line. If the external tracking generator is turned on and connected, the 2710 will recognize that it is there on boot up, but it won't recognize that the Option 14 VR module is installed. This isn't that big of a deal since you don't often need a huge selection of resolution bandwidth filters when you are using a tracking generator. When the 2707 is disconnected from the 2710 and the analyzer is rebooted, it acts normally.

Years ago, I modified my 2710 to work with a 2707. It was easier then because the 2712 was still fully supported by Tektronix so you could get the parts to do the internal conversion. The 2707 was introduced after the 2710 was discontinued which is why the 2710 firmware doesn't support it. Unfortunately, the 2712 firmware won't work in a 2710.

Brian Henry, WB6QED


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for your help.

Robert
KD8MJR



--- In TekScopes@..., "Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Hi Brian and Jim

I am a bit embarrassed because I totally screwed up on some of the info I posted, I was at work and not in front of the unit so I was going by Memory. I looked at it today and on the Left side I have NOTHING, it was the right side that has a module in it! What confused me was I remembered seeing a VR "something" but it was just the VR module on the Top rear of the unit. So I guess I am lucky and have the open area but I still have no idea how it fits in there!

I pulled off the left side plate and I find that nothing fits, nothing lines up, I am not sure if the TG goes inside the plate but I can't see how because it has 8 screw columns sticking up that don't match the Tracking generators holes at all. Then I see no holes for the SMA jacks to go through the plate so now I am wondering if some sort of adapter plate kit was needed.

I took some photos but I am going to have to figure out how to upload them to photobucket or something so you guys have a better idea of what I am dealing with. This is certainly not plug_and_play :-)

Thanks again guys I have learned a lot, I located some key items in the 2712 service manual but I now have to figure out if they are the same on the 2710.

Thanks 73's
Robert


--- In TekScopes@..., "Brian J. Henry" <bhenry@> wrote:

Whoa!

Since your 2710 has the Option 14 VR module installed, you need to carefully consider whether you want to go forward with this modification. If you remove the Option 14 VR module assembly, you will lose the 300 Hz, 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz resolution bandwidth filters and possibly the 20kHz/div and below phase lock. When the tracking generator is installed, the 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides in the far right socket on the power supply board. The 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides on the Option 14 VR module when that option is installed.

It is possible to use a 2707 external tracking generator with the 2710. A 2707 is basically an internal tracking generator with a power supply installed in a separate case. To use a 2707, you will need to replace the DB-9 rear interface connector with the DB-15 interface connector that was used on the mid and late production 2712s and connect the appropriate tracking generator lines. It is a little tricky to get the external tracking generator to work with a 2710 that has the Option 14 VR board installed because they share one data line. If the external tracking generator is turned on and connected, the 2710 will recognize that it is there on boot up, but it won't recognize that the Option 14 VR module is installed. This isn't that big of a deal since you don't often need a huge selection of resolution bandwidth filters when you are using a tracking generator. When the 2707 is disconnected from the 2710 and the analyzer is rebooted, it acts normally.

Years ago, I modified my 2710 to work with a 2707. It was easier then because the 2712 was still fully supported by Tektronix so you could get the parts to do the internal conversion. The 2707 was introduced after the 2710 was discontinued which is why the 2710 firmware doesn't support it. Unfortunately, the 2712 firmware won't work in a 2710.

Brian Henry, WB6QED


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for your help.

Robert
KD8MJR



--- In TekScopes@..., "Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

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Hello Robert:

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With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.

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Rich, AJ3G

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From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but how do I install it?

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Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@..., "Jim" <jflan@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Robert -
> The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.
>
> There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.
>
> Good luck.
> Jim
> WB5KYE
>
>
> --- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" wrote:
> >
> > I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.
> >
> > Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.
> >
> > Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.
> >
> > Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.
> >
> > I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....
> >
> > Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.
> >
> > Robert
> > KD8MJR
> >
>

Robert -

Please refer to your 2712 service manual for the following:
Page 11-35 Item 6 VR mounting plate
Page 11-33 Item 3 TG mounting plate

Your unit has the VR mounting plate. This needs to be removed
and the TG mounting plate installed. You probably didn't get this plate when you bought your TG unit. Either you will need to find this plate, modify the existing plate or make one from scratch. If it was me, I would modify the existing VR, but that is just me. If you don't feel comfortable with this, maybe you can find a friend, etc that can help modify the VR plate. In any event, these mechanical pictorials should clear up your questions. You also may need to upgrade the firmware on the CPU card. I think that the final version is dated 1990. This can be found on the web site should you need it.

Good luck and don't be timid about getting into your unit and installing the TG...
Jim
WB5KYE

Hi Brian and Jim

I am a bit embarrassed because I totally screwed up on some of the info I posted, I was at work and not in front of the unit so I was going by Memory. I looked at it today and on the Left side I have NOTHING, it was the right side that has a module in it! What confused me was I remembered seeing a VR "something" but it was just the VR module on the Top rear of the unit. So I guess I am lucky and have the open area but I still have no idea how it fits in there!

I pulled off the left side plate and I find that nothing fits, nothing lines up, I am not sure if the TG goes inside the plate but I can't see how because it has 8 screw columns sticking up that don't match the Tracking generators holes at all. Then I see no holes for the SMA jacks to go through the plate so now I am wondering if some sort of adapter plate kit was needed.

I took some photos but I am going to have to figure out how to upload them to photobucket or something so you guys have a better idea of what I am dealing with. This is certainly not plug_and_play :-)

Thanks again guys I have learned a lot, I located some key items in the 2712 service manual but I now have to figure out if they are the same on the 2710.

Thanks 73's
Robert


--- In TekScopes@..., "Brian J. Henry" <bhenry@> wrote:

Whoa!

Since your 2710 has the Option 14 VR module installed, you need to carefully consider whether you want to go forward with this modification. If you remove the Option 14 VR module assembly, you will lose the 300 Hz, 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz resolution bandwidth filters and possibly the 20kHz/div and below phase lock. When the tracking generator is installed, the 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides in the far right socket on the power supply board. The 300 Hz resolution bandwidth filter resides on the Option 14 VR module when that option is installed.

It is possible to use a 2707 external tracking generator with the 2710. A 2707 is basically an internal tracking generator with a power supply installed in a separate case. To use a 2707, you will need to replace the DB-9 rear interface connector with the DB-15 interface connector that was used on the mid and late production 2712s and connect the appropriate tracking generator lines. It is a little tricky to get the external tracking generator to work with a 2710 that has the Option 14 VR board installed because they share one data line. If the external tracking generator is turned on and connected, the 2710 will recognize that it is there on boot up, but it won't recognize that the Option 14 VR module is installed. This isn't that big of a deal since you don't often need a huge selection of resolution bandwidth filters when you are using a tracking generator. When the 2707 is disconnected from the 2710 and the analyzer is rebooted, it acts normally.

Years ago, I modified my 2710 to work with a 2707. It was easier then because the 2712 was still fully supported by Tektronix so you could get the parts to do the internal conversion. The 2707 was introduced after the 2710 was discontinued which is why the 2710 firmware doesn't support it. Unfortunately, the 2712 firmware won't work in a 2710.

Brian Henry, WB6QED


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for your help.

Robert
KD8MJR



--- In TekScopes@..., "Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other. The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables? The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712 (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator, it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710 sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10 pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Hello Robert:



With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.



Rich, AJ3G



From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
how do I install it?







Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is

the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the

RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
(not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site
and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking

generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all

metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right

size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC

connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,

it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10

pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

?

Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments. It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.

If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@..., "Rich Miller" wrote:
>
> Hello Robert:
>
>
>
> With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
> panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
> other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
> into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
> TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
> will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.
>
>
>
> Rich, AJ3G
>
>
>
> From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
> Of dreadlk
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
> To: TekScopes@...
> Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
> how do I install it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Jim
>
> Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
> I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
> obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
> I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
> have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
> going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
> dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
> things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
> I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
> pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.
>
> Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
> eating it too?
> I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
> unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
> just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
> not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.
>
> Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
> with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
> your help.
>
> Robert
> KD8MJR
>
> --- In TekScopes@... ,
> "Jim" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Robert -
> > The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is
> the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
> use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
> board or not.
> >
> > There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the
> RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
> The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
> The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
> interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
> crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
> other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
> (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
> necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the site
> and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
> some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
> smoothly.
> >
> > Good luck.
> > Jim
> > WB5KYE
> >
> >
> > --- In TekScopes@... ,
> "dreadlk" wrote:
> > >
> > > I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking
> generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
> dealer.
> > >
> > > Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all
> metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.
> > >
> > > Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right
> size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
> straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.
> > >
> > > Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC
> connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
> remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
> card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
> fits into a 2710.
> > >
> > > I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,
> it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
> sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
> works with the 2710 Arggggh....
> > >
> > > Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10
> pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
> 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
> now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
> homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > > KD8MJR
> > >
> >
>

Hi Robert:

I don't think the SA/TG will completely error out, but may fail certain normalizations if you do not have the appropriate flatness.

I know of a vendor who may be able to help you with making the cable assemblies you require. When I get home next week, I will pass his contact information along.

Also, I seem to remember an article (maybe in QST), which discussed how to make these cables on your own if you are so inclined.

Rich, AJ3G
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM, "dreadlk" <dreadlk@...> wrote:

Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments. It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.

If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@..., "Rich Miller" <av8torrich@> wrote:

Hello Robert:



With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.



Rich, AJ3G



From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
how do I install it?







Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is

the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the

RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
(not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site
and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking

generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all

metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right

size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC

connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,

it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10

pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments. It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.

If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@..., "Rich Miller" <av8torrich@> wrote:

Hello Robert:



With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.



Rich, AJ3G



From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
how do I install it?







Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is

the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the

RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
(not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site
and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking

generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all

metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right

size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC

connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,

it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10

pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

?

For starters I found this on ebay but it looks too short.



I am scouring the 2712 SVC Manual looking for the correct part number but so far no luck, it is diagramed but the part numbers are not listed for any of the cables.

--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments. It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.
>
> If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Robert
> KD8MJR
>
> --- In TekScopes@..., "Rich Miller" wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robert:
> >
> >
> >
> > With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
> > panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
> > other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
> > into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
> > TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
> > will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich, AJ3G
> >
> >
> >
> > From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
> > Of dreadlk
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
> > To: TekScopes@...
> > Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
> > how do I install it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Jim
> >
> > Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
> > I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
> > obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
> > I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
> > have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
> > going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
> > dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
> > things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
> > I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
> > pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.
> >
> > Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
> > eating it too?
> > I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
> > unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
> > just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
> > not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.
> >
> > Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
> > with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
> > your help.
> >
> > Robert
> > KD8MJR
> >
> > --- In TekScopes@... ,
> > "Jim" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Robert -
> > > The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is
> > the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
> > use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
> > board or not.
> > >
> > > There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the
> > RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
> > The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
> > The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
> > interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
> > crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
> > other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
> > (not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
> > necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site
> > and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
> > some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
> > smoothly.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > > Jim
> > > WB5KYE
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In TekScopes@... ,
> > "dreadlk" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking
> > generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
> > dealer.
> > > >
> > > > Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all
> > metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.
> > > >
> > > > Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right
> > size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
> > straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.
> > > >
> > > > Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC
> > connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
> > remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
> > card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
> > fits into a 2710.
> > > >
> > > > I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,
> > it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
> > sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
> > works with the 2710 Arggggh....
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10
> > pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
> > 2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
> > now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
> > homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > > KD8MJR
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

For starters I found this on ebay but it looks too short.



I am scouring the 2712 SVC Manual looking for the correct part number but so far no luck, it is diagramed but the part numbers are not listed for any of the cables.



--- In TekScopes@..., "dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments. It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.

If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@..., "Rich Miller" <av8torrich@> wrote:

Hello Robert:



With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the front
panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low frequency
other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave you may run
into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the output of the
TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double check), it
will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.



Rich, AJ3G



From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf
Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my Tek 2710 but
how do I install it?







Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that cavity and
I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out how to
obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work or does it
have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV Manual and am
going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of what I am
dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly clarified
things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I must admit
I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial cake and
eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back of the
unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY 2707? I am
just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that it might
not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I am dealing
with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so much for
your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer. This also is

the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You can only
use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have the VR BW
board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One routes the

RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on the other.
The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive these cables?
The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to provide the
interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon cable is
crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply board. The
other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the TG. The 2712
(not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in making the
necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the Tek.com site
and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You will have
some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and it will go
smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal tracking

generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden colored all

metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are the right

size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made a 10 wire
straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC

connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and all the
card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue how this
fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking generator,

it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen several 2710
sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me told me it
works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even locate the 10

pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit into my
2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having serious regrets
now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

Hi,

the parts are named W52 and W53 and W55.

- W55 is solder end to SMB
- W52 SMA-male to N-female
- W53 SMA-male to SMA-male

Would it help, to know the length ???
I can measure in mz 2712 !

Herbert


Am 23.09.2012 21:48, schrieb dreadlk:

For starters I found this on ebay but it looks too short.


<>

I am scouring the 2712 SVC Manual looking for the correct part number
but so far no luck, it is diagramed but the part numbers are not
listed for any of the cables.

--- In TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>,
"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

Thanks for the information, I agree with both of your assessments.

It was easy to find the Cables in a flex format so I went out and
bought some on day one. Now that I read your posts I know it won't
work and my dilemma is that I have no idea where to find the Semi
Rigid versions. I am going to do some searching but I have a feeling I
am going to need a lot of luck on my side to make this happen. If the
unit will error out it makes little sense for me to proceed further
until I locate these cables so at this point I am going to mark out
the plate for cutting and drilling based on Jims info and then when I
know where to get the needed cables I will start the cutting and drilling.

If anybody has any of these cables and is willing to sell them

please let me know or if you have any ideas on a source that might
sell them the info would be greatly appreciated.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@...

<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rich Miller" <av8torrich@> wrote:

Hello Robert:



With regard to the rigid coax cable used to connect the TG to the

front

panel, I think you are going to want to use this. While at low

frequency

other types of cable may work fine, when you get into microwave

you may run

into a problem with the TG Gain Flatness Normalization. If the

output of the

TG is off by more than +/-3dBm (This is from memory so double

check), it

will show up as a fault when you first attempt to normalize.



Rich, AJ3G



From: TekScopes@...

<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf

Of dreadlk
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 2:33 PM
To: TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Help I got a Tracking Generator for my

Tek 2710 but

how do I install it?







Hi Jim

Thank you so much for the reply. I do have a VR BW board in that

cavity and

I received the TG with no cables at all, I will have to figure out

how to

obtain the needed parts and where to source them.
I was wondering if flexible cables with SMA and Type N will work

or does it

have to be the rigid stuff? I obtained a copy of the 2712 SV

Manual and am

going to look through it tonight to try and get a better idea of

what I am

dealing with, I want to thank you for your post, it certainly

clarified

things for me, I hope I am up to the task of doing this Job as I

must admit

I am a bit worried about messing up my 2710 it has been absolutely a
pleasure to use over the years and is in fantastic condition.

Let me ask you Jim is there any chance of having my proverbial

cake and

eating it too?
I mean could I leave in the VR BW board and run cables to the Back

of the

unit and put the TG in a separate enclosure, kind of like a DIY

2707? I am

just wondering if anybody has ever done that, I would imagine that

it might

not be practical but I just wanted to get your opinion.

Anyway Jim I am going to take out the VR BW board and see what I

am dealing

with. If you have any suggestions please post them, and thanks so

much for

your help.

Robert
KD8MJR

--- In TekScopes@...

<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"Jim" <jflan@> wrote:

Hi Robert -
The TG mounts in the cavity on the left side of the analyzer.

This also is

the same cavity which houses the Variable Resolution BW board. You

can only

use one or the other, not both. It wasn't clear whether you have

the VR BW

board or not.

There are two semi-rigid cables that will need to be made. One

routes the

RF to the front panel and has an SMA on one end and a Type N on

the other.

The other routes the 2nd LO (2 GHz) to the TG. Did you receive

these cables?

The ribbon cable will plug into the main power supply board to

provide the

interface. in fact, I just remembered that one end of the ribbon

cable is

crimped to a IDC connector that is *soldered* to the power supply

board. The

other end uses at typical IDC connector that will plug into the

TG. The 2712

(not 2710) service manual has a block diagram that will aide in

making the

necessary connections. This manual is down loadable from the

Tek.com site

and will be a better reference for what you are wanting to do. You

will have

some work to do to get your TG up and running. Take your time and

it will go

smoothly.

Good luck.
Jim
WB5KYE


--- In TekScopes@...

<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:TekScopes%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"dreadlk" <dreadlk@> wrote:

I posted about a month ago about searching for an internal

tracking

generator for my 2710 SA and I finally found one from an old Tektronix
dealer.

Now I have this unit with Id No 119-3889-07 it's in a golden

colored all

metal case with 3 female SMA connectors and a 10 pin 2 row IDC

connector.

Luckily I found several old Mobo serial connectors that are

the right

size but only use 9 of the 10 pins so I removed the wire and made

a 10 wire

straight pin to pin cable from the connector ends.

Now I open up my 2710 to locate grounds and power pins on this IDC

connector and have a WTF moment. Where the Heck does this thing go!! I
remember a side section that was free but the unit won't fit and

all the

card slots are used up! Plus its just too big, so I have no clue

how this

fits into a 2710.

I can find nothing on the net about this Option 04 tracking

generator,

it's not even listed in the 2710 service manual but I have seen

several 2710

sold with Tracking Gens built in and the guy who sold it to me

told me it

works with the 2710 Arggggh....

Anybody have any idea what I should do next? I can't even

locate the 10

pin connector that it supposed to plug into much less fit the unit

into my

2710. Man I hope I did not waste all that money, I am having

serious regrets

now. Sorry if this comes of as a Crazy Rant but I should have done my
homework before making this purchase, I am upset with myself.

Robert
KD8MJR

I think my biggest hurdle is going to be getting the proper Semi Rigid cables that are needed I
have no clue where to buy these........