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Low Beta transistors in Tek plug in
from Tim P (UK)
Sorry if this is more 'Electronics-101' than 'TekScopes', but I'm curious. I sometimes find when checking transistors (on a Peak DCA55) that the Beta is outside the range specified in the literature. Towers International is popular in UK. F'rinstance I'm looking at a 1S2 with a non-working pulser and a 2N3904 has a Beta of 65 as against Towers 'minimum 100' I also see instances of common-or-garden transistors with published Beta of -say- 200 and measured at -say- 450. Does a low or high + / - 50% mean an aging transistor? I know Tek had good reasons for what they did, but these examples were not 'selected' or TekSpec. (Don't worry, I'm not about to shotgun the transistors and THEN call for help !!) many thanks Tim |
Chuck Harris
One thing you need to know about the "literature" on
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transistor values is that beta's are measured at very specific points on the transistor's operating curves. If you are using a little hand held transistor tester, it is highly unlikely that you are measuring at the same operating point as was used in the literature. A full blown curve tracer, is necessary to duplicate the manufacturer's literature. Critical applications of transistors require that you use the full curves, and draw in load lines that represent your operating conditions. The purpose behind the little transistor testers is two-fold, 1) to get your money, and 2) to test if the transistor actually has any gain. Some gain usually indicates a working transistor. When you use a DVM to do a junction test on a transistor, all you can tell for sure is that you found junctions that do, or don't, behave like diodes. Junction tests tell if the transistor is shorted, or open, but not if it is good. -Chuck Harris Tim Phillips wrote: from Tim P (UK) |
Chuck, do you know good resources to help me understand load lines? I have
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heard it come up a few times but feel I need to do a deeper dive in to the subject. I dont mind the reading and I like getting in to the weeds. So that wont be an issue. Eric On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, 11:12 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:
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On 6/9/2020 11:12 AM, Chuck Harris wrote:
The purpose behind the little transistor testers isI agree with Chuck. I have a transistor tester built into the veteran Beckman DMM that I use in the field, and I use it for the same purpose that I use a tube tester - to weed out bad parts. -- Dale H. Cook, Radio Contract Engineer, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA |
F'rinstance I'm looking at a 1S2 with a non-working pulser and a 2N3904 hasHi Tim, To illustrate Chuck's point. That requirement is at Ic = 10 mA (and at Vce = 1 V in the datasheets) and is for the DC current gain. Being curious I tested 5 genuine Motorola 2N3904s at my 576. The gains were 130-170. The requirements at smaller or larger Ic are weaker. For 151-0190-00 Tek requires >70 at 1 mA & 1 V. Albert |
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