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On 12/8/18 8:07 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote: The plastic is there to reduce the chance of damaging the device awaiting you on your bench. Ummmmm.... I use Crescent wrenches from Jamestown NY mostly and none have plastic and I have a fine touch at mechanicing. I'd say a vinyl or other plastic coating or dip layer is just insulation against fine feel on a wrench. If it reeks, lose it. If it wiggles around randomly, lose it.
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An oily cover on a Cresecent wrench or just oily slippery hands on the thing becomes a deadly weapon when under the car on the skate board doing something with an adjustable wrench you shouldn't be doing. Be there done that hurry ups are dangerous critters.
Jim O
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On December 8, 2018 at 6:29 PM John Griessen <john@... mailto:john@... > wrote:
On 12/8/18 8:07 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > The plastic is there to reduce the chance of damaging the device awaiting you on your bench.
> Ummmmm.... I use Crescent wrenches from Jamestown NY mostly and none have plastic
and I have a fine touch at mechanicing. I'd say a vinyl or other plastic coating
or dip layer is just insulation against fine feel on a wrench. If it reeks, lose it.
If it wiggles around randomly, lose it.
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I don't use the same tools for Electronics and automotive work. I do have several large adjustable wrenches, but they are New Britain. The smaller ones for electronics are Xcelite, and they do have plastic coated handles.
I've also been told that no real mechanic ever uses an adjustable wrench because he has all the proper tools to work on a vehicle.
If that wrench still stinks, it had to stink when he bought it. If so, he should have bought something else. I had someone give me a buncuh of Japanese tools made in the '60s and '70s. They were made of pot metal, and the drill bits were so soft that they unwound while drilling plastic. They were quickly tossed in the scrap for recycling.
I agree about throwing out crap tools, or gather them all up, and only loan them to people instead of your good tools.
The only cheap tools that I have had were either given as cheap gifts, or will be part of what I clean out of my dad's house as we get it ready to sell. He got them from a neighbor who had passed away.
I started buying good quality tools as a teenager, and I still have some of them, 50 years later. The only ones that ever broke, were sold as tools for mechanics. The rest of what is missing were stolen from my truck, or at job sites.
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On 12/8/18 8:07 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The plastic is there to reduce the chance of damaging the device awaiting you on your bench. Ummmmm.... I use Crescent wrenches from Jamestown NY mostly and none have plastic
and I have a fine touch at mechanicing. I'd say a vinyl or other plastic coating
or dip layer is just insulation against fine feel on a wrench. If it reeks, lose it.
If it wiggles around randomly, lose it.
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If by stink, you mean smell, a lot of plastics start out
benign, and end up really smelly. I have a set of Craftsman
nutdrivers from the 1970's that woke up one day and smelled
like vomit. And, have ever since.
I don't know if it is something the acrylic handles were
exposed to, or perhaps a plasticizer that was put in them
to make them less brittle, but I do know it stinks.
As to plastic dipped wrench handles. I think that in many
cases if you removed the plastic you would find the handle
was thin and spindly with sharp edges.... The plastic is
there to hide manufacturing economies.
-Chuck Harris
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
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I don't use the same tools for Electronics and automotive work. I do have several large adjustable wrenches, but they are New Britain. The smaller ones for electronics are Xcelite, and they do have plastic coated handles.
I've also been told that no real mechanic ever uses an adjustable wrench because he has all the proper tools to work on a vehicle.
If that wrench still stinks, it had to stink when he bought it. If so, he should have bought something else. I had someone give me a buncuh of Japanese tools made in the '60s and '70s. They were made of pot metal, and the drill bits were so soft that they unwound while drilling plastic. They were quickly tossed in the scrap for recycling.
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Yeh, I don't use the mechanic tools for electronic's either have specialized tools with plastic handles, coverings for that. I had about 20 grand of Snap On tools for the mechanic side, some Craftman's and Proto. That was my job in one form or another for 60 yrs.
Jim O
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On December 8, 2018 at 7:33 PM "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@... mailto:mike.terrell@... > wrote:
I don't use the same tools for Electronics and automotive work. I do have several large adjustable wrenches, but they are New Britain. The smaller ones for electronics are Xcelite, and they do have plastic coated handles.
I've also been told that no real mechanic ever uses an adjustable wrench because he has all the proper tools to work on a vehicle.
If that wrench still stinks, it had to stink when he bought it. If so, he should have bought something else. I had someone give me a buncuh of Japanese tools made in the '60s and '70s. They were made of pot metal, and the drill bits were so soft that they unwound while drilling plastic. They were quickly tossed in the scrap for recycling.
I agree about throwing out crap tools, or gather them all up, and only loan them to people instead of your good tools.
The only cheap tools that I have had were either given as cheap gifts, or will be part of what I clean out of my dad's house as we get it ready to sell. He got them from a neighbor who had passed away.
I started buying good quality tools as a teenager, and I still have some of them, 50 years later. The only ones that ever broke, were sold as tools for mechanics. The rest of what is missing were stolen from my truck, or at job sites.
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>On 12/8/18 8:07 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> The plastic is there to reduce the chance of damaging the device awaiting you on your bench.
>
>Ummmmm.... I use Crescent wrenches from Jamestown NY mostly and none have plastic
>and I have a fine touch at mechanicing. I'd say a vinyl or other plastic coating
>or dip layer is just insulation against fine feel on a wrench. If it reeks, lose it.
>If it wiggles around randomly, lose it.
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On 12/8/2018 10:42 PM, Chuck Harris wrote: If by stink, you mean smell, a lot of plastics start out
benign, and end up really smelly. I have a set of Craftsman
nutdrivers from the 1970's that woke up one day and smelled
like vomit. And, have ever since.
I don't know if it is something the acrylic handles were
exposed to, or perhaps a plasticizer that was put in them
to make them less brittle, but I do know it stinks.
Hello, Chuck-- I have a set of those, too. A set of screwdrivers from that time don't smell like much of anything. 73-- Brad AA1IP
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Yeah, I had a friend in high school who used to buy cheap tools at the swap meet.? The infamous "lead-head" hammer that got dents in it after pounding in nails and the ratchet extender that twisted at the ratchet end but didn't move at the socket end come to mind.? ?I kept telling him that he was going to get hurt using crappy tools.? Not sure whatever happened to that guy...? Poor quality tools are not only false economy, they can be dangerous.
Jim F
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-------- Original message --------From: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@...> Date: 12/8/18 7:33 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] wrenching ( was: Capacitor sniffing) OT I don't use the same tools for Electronics and automotive work. I do have several large adjustable wrenches, but they are New Britain. The smaller ones for electronics are Xcelite, and they do have plastic coated handles. I've also been told that no real mechanic ever uses an adjustable wrench because he has all the proper tools to work on a vehicle. If that wrench still stinks, it had to stink when he bought it. If so, he should have bought something else. I had someone give me a buncuh of Japanese tools made in the '60s and '70s. They were made of pot metal, and the drill bits were so soft that they unwound while drilling plastic. They were quickly tossed in the scrap for recycling. I agree about throwing out crap tools, or gather them all up, and only loan them to people instead of your good tools. The only cheap tools that I have had were either given as cheap gifts, or will be part of what I clean out of my dad's house as we get it ready to sell. He got them from a neighbor who had passed away. I started buying good quality tools as a teenager, and I still have some of them, 50 years later. The only ones that ever broke, were sold as tools for mechanics. The rest of what is missing were stolen from my truck, or at job sites. -----Original Message-----
On 12/8/18 8:07 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
The plastic is there to reduce the chance of damaging the device awaiting you on your bench. Ummmmm.... I use Crescent wrenches from Jamestown NY mostly and none have plastic
and I have a fine touch at mechanicing.? I'd say a vinyl or other plastic coating
or dip layer is just insulation against fine feel on a wrench.? If it reeks, lose it.
If it wiggles around randomly, lose it.
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I used to have a cheap hammer that someone broke off most of the head, driving a 16 penny nail. It was in the box of 'loaner tools' as a joke. :)
OTOH, someone could have been badly hurt, or killed by that sharp chunk of metal flying across the room.
Michael A. Terrell
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-----Original Message----- From: Jim Ford <james.ford@...>
Sent: Dec 9, 2018 12:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [TekScopes] wrenching ( was: Capacitor sniffing) OT
Yeah, I had a friend in high school who used to buy cheap tools at the swap meet.? The infamous "lead-head" hammer that got dents in it after pounding in nails and the ratchet extender that twisted at the ratchet end but didn't move at the socket end come to mind.? ?I kept telling him that he was going to get hurt using crappy tools.? Not sure whatever happened to that guy...? Poor quality tools are not only false economy, they can be dangerous.
Jim F
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That hasn't been my experience, and the same wrench was sold with or without the plastic cover. They have the same weight, since their isn't that much plastic. It was pre 'Cooper Tools' manufactured by Xcelite which was my preferred brand of electronics tools. I still have most of an original Xcelite 99SM roll up tool kit that was given to me by a friend in the Army when I was a short timer. I only wore out a couple tools, since 1974, and the reamers were NLA.
As far as other brands of adjustable wrenches, I have no opinion. Other than some thin open end sets from HF, most of my tools were American made. The HF sets were bought to assemble some connectors, where they didn't need high strength.
Michael A. Terrell
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-----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
Sent: Dec 8, 2018 10:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [TekScopes] wrenching ( was: Capacitor sniffing) OT
If by stink, you mean smell, a lot of plastics start out
benign, and end up really smelly. I have a set of Craftsman
nutdrivers from the 1970's that woke up one day and smelled
like vomit. And, have ever since.
I don't know if it is something the acrylic handles were
exposed to, or perhaps a plasticizer that was put in them
to make them less brittle, but I do know it stinks.
As to plastic dipped wrench handles. I think that in many
cases if you removed the plastic you would find the handle
was thin and spindly with sharp edges.... The plastic is
there to hide manufacturing economies.
-Chuck Harris
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There were a couple different types of plastic used for tool handles, and one develops a white film as it decomposes. I've only seen it in colored handles, but once it starts, it seems to keep eating away the surface and the stink gets worse.
Michael A. Terrell
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-----Original Message----- From: Brad Thompson <brad.thompson@...>
Sent: Dec 8, 2018 10:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] wrenching ( was: Capacitor sniffing) OT
On 12/8/2018 10:42 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
If by stink, you mean smell, a lot of plastics start out
benign, and end up really smelly. I have a set of Craftsman
nutdrivers from the 1970's that woke up one day and smelled
like vomit. And, have ever since.
I don't know if it is something the acrylic handles were
exposed to, or perhaps a plasticizer that was put in them
to make them less brittle, but I do know it stinks.
Hello, Chuck--
I have a set of those, too. A set of screwdrivers from that time
don't smell like much of anything.
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I think Shakespeare warned us of that Chuck?
"The tongues of mocking wenches are as keen as is the razor's edge"
...oh....sorry........w*R*enching....misread the subject.....
Adrian
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On 12/9/2018 3:42 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: I think that in many
cases if you removed the plastic you would find the handle
was thin and spindly with sharp edges
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Re: vomit smelling screwdrivers and : ?There were a couple different types of plastic used for tool handles,
and one develops a white film as it decomposes. Cellulose Acetate, and Cellulose Acetate Butyrate. I /think/ both get the white-crud. ? It's the CAB that breaks down and releases butyric acid, which smells like vomit.
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Michael A. Terrell