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About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ancel
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Upgraded, stub tuned, Tektronix SG-504 leveling head back online for a last run

BTW, one went to Hiroshima. First time shipping there....I guess everyone knows where that is.
Ancel




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I should hope that no one ever forgets about Hiroshima. Or Nagasaki. It would seem difficult not to know about the places hit with the most deadly and indiscriminatory bombs in the history of the world. Although they seemed necessary at the time, hopefully they will never be used again.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.

-------- Original message --------From: Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> Date: 6/13/18 10:28 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group
About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ancel
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Upgraded, stub tuned, Tektronix SG-504 leveling head back online for a last run

BTW, one went to Hiroshima. First time shipping there....I guess everyone knows where that is.
Ancel




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Eric, I am not optimistic about our chances of not using nukes again. There are groups in the world who would not hesitate to use a nuke if they got their hands on one. I believe the USA would use nukes in retaliation for an attack on America without really knowing who set off the nuke that attacked America. Even an angry president could go ahead and start something like this. Our world without nuclear war is on a tenuous footing

I prefer to try not to think about this. Much more fun using my Tek Scopes to repair old stereos and transceivers. I am old and fix these things just for fun. I charge what it costs for parts and other supplies. I don't charge for labour. I have more work than I can handle. I was amazed how many people are still using stereos and hf transceivers from the 60s 70s and 80s. Some of them have been kept in absolute pristine condition on the outside. I have 2 465s and 2 22something scopes. I actually only use two scopes at a time on my bench. I just like having spares. The 465s are my favourites to use, the 2200 series is may favourite to repair. Taking apart a 465 is not easy. I repaired one for a friend and a simple capacitor change on a power supply line was somewhat difficult. I love it when the using the motto, (always check the power supply first) actually works. It is a method of repair that is used by me religiously. I don't of course just check voltage, I also check ripple. I have a new digital scope (not Tek) that will immediately give me the voltage and amplitude and frequency of the ripple with one button push. Still love my 465s best. I hope it never takes offence at my little indiscretions with that new (younger and sexier) Hantek babe. It was never for love, just physical.


 

I will agree to that without hesitation!
Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EricJ via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 2:36 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group

I should hope that no one ever forgets about Hiroshima. Or Nagasaki. It would seem difficult not to know about the places hit with the most deadly and indiscriminatory bombs in the history of the world. Although they seemed necessary at the time, hopefully they will never be used again.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> Date: 6/13/18 10:28 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group
About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ancel
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Upgraded, stub tuned, Tektronix SG-504 leveling head back online for a last run

BTW, one went to Hiroshima. First time shipping there....I guess everyone knows where that is.
Ancel




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On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:35 am, EricJ wrote:


I should hope that no one ever forgets about Hiroshima. Or Nagasaki. It would
seem difficult not to know about the places hit with the most deadly and
indiscriminatory bombs in the history of the world. Although they seemed
necessary at the time, hopefully they will never be used again.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> Date:
6/13/18 10:28 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re:
[TekScopes] NEW to the group
About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not
know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time
now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy
sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with
the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look
forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ancel
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Upgraded, stub tuned, Tektronix SG-504 leveling head
back online for a last run

BTW, one went to Hiroshima. First time shipping there....I guess everyone
knows where that is.
Ancel




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Eric,

Actually, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were neither of those. Several other fire bombings in Japan killed more civilians. The most deadly such raid took place in Tokyo on March 9th, 1945. This one raid killed at least 100,000 civilians and left over 1,000,000 more homeless. The Tokyo raid was pivotal in the decision to use the atomic bomb, since such a loss of civilian life appeared to do nothing to bring the Japanese leaders to the point of surrender. We bombed all of the major industrial locations in Japan, in fact, these two cities were some of the very few that had suffered little or no damage in previous attacks, still the Japanese leaders refused to surrender. What the atomic bomb did was to bring even the most ardent Japanese war hawks to the realization and acceptance that they faced total annihilation and extinction as a nation. Truman played the bluff card and told the Japanese that we would continue to reign these bombs on the Empire if they did not surrender. The fear that the next bomb would be dropped on Tokyo was the key. The truth was, we had no more atomic bombs that could have immediately been used. What is not taught or barely glossed over in the revisionist history books is that these two bombs, as terrible as they were, saved Millions of Japanese and American lives that would have been lost in the invasion of the Japanese Home islands. One only needs to look at the invasion of Okinawa as a preview of what such an invasion would have cost in blood and treasure. What is more disgusting and despicable is the total disregard of the Japanese leaders to the terrible suffering and loss of life among their own people. Like the NAZI's in Europe, the Japanese leadership was more worried about saving face and having to admit that the Allies, led by the USA in the Pacific had soundly beaten the supposedly "Superior" Japanese warrior. The Japanese continuously underestimated the US resolve, our fighting spirit and most of all, our industrial capacity.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


 
Edited

And NO! I do not want to EVER see that terrible force be used again. We should never forget how terrible war is, not just these bombs, which took the lives of a very small percentage of the 50 Million Plus lives that were lost in WWII.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


 

On Jun 13, 2018, at 13:02, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

Hi Joel. Welcome to the group from another bubble head. I was a SINS technician, navy center late 60¡¯s early 70¡¯s. Operated Rota Spain and Holy Lock Scotland. Interesting work, interesting times.
Ray
KD9CCZ


 

Interesting: Our paths may have crossed ... Home was the GCM Blue so we went the same places. I was in Roto when Franco died my last deployment.

Thanks for the welcome brother -- Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Raymond Cote
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group



On Jun 13, 2018, at 13:02, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

Hi Joel. Welcome to the group from another bubble head. I was a SINS technician, navy center late 60¡¯s early 70¡¯s. Operated Rota Spain and Holy Lock Scotland. Interesting work, interesting times.
Ray
KD9CCZ




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Just might have. I was 627 and 654 blue. Remember Franco and occasionally caught some marine or sailors drunk on the beach. A shot in the head was the punishment. I was in Scotland when there was a fire in the brig of the tender (forget which one, maybe the Canopus)and we lost a few sailors). We had to fire up the reactor and haul ass away from the danger just in case. Fastest I ever saw the nucs move. Maybe 67?

While in Rota, one if our bombers accidentally dropped a ¡°big¡±!weapon and it made world news. Don¡¯t know dates. Of course google has no info in either event but it was talked about everywhere.

Interesting times.

On Jun 13, 2018, at 18:18, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

Interesting: Our paths may have crossed ... Home was the GCM Blue so we went the same places. I was in Roto when Franco died my last deployment.

Thanks for the welcome brother -- Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Raymond Cote
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group



On Jun 13, 2018, at 13:02, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

Hi Joel. Welcome to the group from another bubble head. I was a SINS technician, navy center late 60¡¯s early 70¡¯s. Operated Rota Spain and Holy Lock Scotland. Interesting work, interesting times.
Ray
KD9CCZ




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I knew some on the Marshall, but drawing a blank where or when.

On Jun 13, 2018, at 19:36, Raymond Cote <bluegrassdakine@...> wrote:

Just might have. I was 627 and 654 blue. Remember Franco and occasionally caught some marine or sailors drunk on the beach. A shot in the head was the punishment. I was in Scotland when there was a fire in the brig of the tender (forget which one, maybe the Canopus)and we lost a few sailors). We had to fire up the reactor and haul ass away from the danger just in case. Fastest I ever saw the nucs move. Maybe 67?

While in Rota, one if our bombers accidentally dropped a ¡°big¡±!weapon and it made world news. Don¡¯t know dates. Of course google has no info in either event but it was talked about everywhere.

Interesting times.

On Jun 13, 2018, at 18:18, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

Interesting: Our paths may have crossed ... Home was the GCM Blue so we went the same places. I was in Roto when Franco died my last deployment.

Thanks for the welcome brother -- Joel

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Raymond Cote
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group



On Jun 13, 2018, at 13:02, Joel R Kist <joel-kist@...> wrote:

About (Hiroshima)-- I would not say everyone at least in the USA; most do not know who are presidents past of the USA !!

Hi, my name is Joel and I have been reading the group messages for some time now and enjoy them. I was a sonar technician (Submarines)in the US Navy sometime ago, very early (1970's). Now retired I am drawn back to playing with the "TRONS". It is easy to see there is a abundance of knowledge here. I look forward to being guided by the group on some projects.

Joel

Hi Joel. Welcome to the group from another bubble head. I was a SINS technician, navy center late 60¡¯s early 70¡¯s. Operated Rota Spain and Holy Lock Scotland. Interesting work, interesting times.
Ray
KD9CCZ




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To whom it may concern:
This forum is devoted to the discussion of Tek products. There are other places to have discussions about other subjects.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Jim Strohm
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 3:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] NEW to the group

ironcoder@...
<ironcoder@...?subject=Re:%20NEW%20to%20the%20group> said

"Eric, I am not optimistic about our chances of not using nukes again.
There are groups in the world who would not hesitate to use a nuke if
they got their hands on one. I believe the USA would use nukes in
retaliation for an attack on America without really knowing who set
off the nuke that attacked America. Even an angry president could go
ahead and start something like this. Our world without nuclear war is
on a tenuous footing "

Actually, while we'd need a declaration of war by Congress before
launching a retaliatory strike, given that the Gulf of Tonkin
resolution is still in place, President <somebody somebody mumble>
could push the button on a retaliatory strike before the missile
entered US air space -- actually maybe even before the bits and pieces
of that missile landed in the Pacific or Arctic ocean after we
destroyed the missile with our anti-missile defense systems. We DO
have sophisticated enough space-based systems to monitor everybody
capable of using an ICBM against us or an ally, and enough globally
dispersed resources to kill a billion people in five minutes.

And DO NOT doubt the ability of President <somebody somebody mumble>
to sign an executive order providing for an instant-messaging-enabled
emergency meeting of Congress, provide a boilerplate declaration of
war with Speaker Ryan's pre-signed electronic signature on it, and
have a Constitutionally valid declaration of war in place before the
short-range Polaris missiles from the boomer submarines landed. It's
the Soviet "dead hand" machine, except via Facebook.

I hope we don't see anything like this in any of our lifetimes,
because enough nations still have (or recently have developed)
sufficient mutually assured destruction capabilities to slag the
planet. And we remember what happened to the last President who tried
to STOP a nuclear war.

We also remember what happened the last time a President invaded the
wrong country for an act of war committed on American soil.

73
Jim N6OTQ

PS -- Obligatory electronics tech content -- a few years back, I gave
my wife a gag gift to give to her MD boss who'd just installed a new
X-ray machine. It was a cold-war era radiation dosimeter pen, the
kind you looked through and when you couldn't see through it any more,
it meant that you'd been over-exposed to radiation. Freshly removed
from its 50-some year-old lead envelope. She carried it in her purse
for a couple of years, and ... now it's completely black inside. So
either background radiation got it, or else the doc's X-ray machine
got her.



--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


 

I remember it quite well, I was 17 years old and we were almost nuked by an ally.

In fact it dropped not one but four H bombs (B28RI) because the B-52 plane carrying them crashed with the KC-135 tanker who was resupplying it. Both fell to the ground in flames, and no one from the KC-135 crew survived and 3 from the B52 also died. This happened on Jan 19, 1966.

Two bombs fell in parachutes and the other two in free fall. About the the parachuted bombs, one landed safely on the ground and was recovered almost intact, the other fell in the sea and took 80 days to recover it in a frenetic rescue operation to avoid that other country (USSR ? ) could find it. A local fisherman, "Bomb Frank" since then, who had rescued with his ship one of the B-52 crew members and had seen where the bomb fell, assisted the US Navy to pinpoint the bomb location.

The two bombs which fell without parachute crashed in the ground in Palomares, a small village in the south of Spain. As a result of the crash, the conventional explosives detonated but the thermonuclear charge did not set off. In fact, that created an unintentional "dirty bomb" which contaminated with plutonium more than a sq. mile of agricultural land.

The casings of the recovered bombs are in a museum in Albuquerque, NM. Wikipedia has a lot of info about this incident at

Regards,

Ignacio EB4APL